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Titanic tourist submersible missing | Sub's debris found - crew "have been lost"

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The debris field is on the sea floor by the Titanic, and was discovered by an ROV.

If it turns out that the sub had suffered a hull faillure, it would have imploded and broken into many pieces.

While tragic, this would be the quickest and best death given the circumstances.
I can't imagine what that would be like. Would your body implode on itself? My word (but I agree, it's probably better that suffocation).
 

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that would be some of the better possible news, no? implosion?
While it seems crass to say, this to me, is a much better outcome than finding out they had been trapped in the dark for several days running out of oxygen.
 

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Lucky them I guess if it was indeed the hull fracture and they died instantly? And the banging sound was after all just the postman visiting my Scouse friends mother?
 

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I can't imagine what that would be like. Would your body implode on itself? My word (but I agree, it's probably better that suffocation).
If the hull (or porthole) failed, the pressure at that depth would almost immediately kill you. I hope it's not too tasteless to say, but I doubt many remains will be found.
 

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Never really understood the draw of ships that sank or sunken vessels. Sweden has one too, the Vasa, it’s the definition of over engineering, they made it the fastest, most powerful boat in the ocean but no one bothered to check if it could actually sail. Sure enough it sank about 15 minutes into its maiden voyage when it tried to turn while moving at speed.

They rescued it from the bottom of the ocean years ago and now it has its own museum, people come from all over to see it. Literally a failed project, total waste of time and money but people want to see it for some reason.
The Vasa is stunning, I'm not sure anyone even bothers about it sinking. Well, except you.
 

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I think the allure is that navigating the seas as a form of transport and therefore vessell building goes back to ancient history so there is a primitive connection to it.
You think? Maybe you're right. Guess it's the same for airplanes and cars, people like to look at old versions of those also. But why the worst ones that couldn't do what they were built for? The schadenfreude of it? Or is it like going to see a car crash or something?
 

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The US Coast Guard will hold a press briefing at 3pm local time (8pm UK time) to share its latest findings from the search operation for the Titan sub.

It comes as the Coast Guard said a debris field was discovered within the search area by a remotely operated vehicle (ROV) near the Titanic wreck. Experts within the unified command were evaluating the information, the Coast Guard said.
 

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I'm not arguing it doesn't slow it down, but this event (again) shows part of the justification for it. The Deepsea Challenger that took Cameron down ~11000m was certified and built with support from the certification body.
Oh definitely! Certification is most certainly a good thing.
 

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I thought the whataboutery was strong. He says going down 4km into the sea is a risk, but so is driving a car and even getting out of bed. I don't quite see those risks as the same as the one these guys have taken.
Well a lot of people do underrate the risk of driving a car, irrationally so (when you look at the numbers).

That said, the risk multiplier here isn't getting in a submarine (accidents like these are incredibly rare with the proper design and planning). It's him cutting corners to build a submarine and conduct these sorts of missions.
 

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The Vasa is stunning, I'm not sure anyone even bothers about it sinking. Well, except you.
You're wrong, the Swede's talk about it all the time, they're proud of everything around it, in the kind of way that they tried to achieve something and failed but ultimately almost did it.

Don't get me wrong, I've seen it but I don't get it. They've restored most of it so it's not 'old' anymore.
 

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Sadly I think your right.
Forgetting the rights or wrong about going down there in the first place.
What a horrible way to die ( ok we don’t know yet )
Probably better to go out quickly than be sitting in that container waiting to freeze to death or run out of air, while having to spend time with at least one arsehole blaming everyone the whole time.
 

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The US Coast Guard will hold a press briefing at 3pm local time (8pm UK time) to share its latest findings from the search operation for the Titan sub.

It comes as the Coast Guard said a debris field was discovered within the search area by a remotely operated vehicle (ROV) near the Titanic wreck. Experts within the unified command were evaluating the information, the Coast Guard said.
Yeah, they've found something that confirms this is no longer a search and rescue, and now a recovery instead.
 

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Well, for one, they’re an excellent example of the opposite of an engineering blunder.
People don’t give a toss about engineering quality. These are historical sites and/or represent events in human history. People take an interest in them. There’s a story behind it and an interesting one at that, and that’s what people care about.

An achievement for the times no? That took proper effort with the technology they had available at the time. If they built them and then they all fell down because they were shit it would be comparable, but a wonder of the world isn't comparable to a ship that couldn't do the thing it was built to do.
Spread the word. People will be all ears when you tell them what they should and shouldn’t be interested in.
 

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I've got a new business idea. I am going to open up a Submarine dive company to visit the wreckage of Titan. Only £250k each, if anyone's interested, DM me.
 

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I can't imagine what that would be like. Would your body implode on itself? My word (but I agree, it's probably better that suffocation).
Agree better, from what I've heard the suffocation wouldn't be painful as you'd just pass out and eventually die. It's the time spent on board for hours and hours knowing there's a clock ticking on your likely death that is probably the most traumatic thing about it.
 

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Looks like an implosion then. RIP, at least they went out quickly and not suffering for days
 

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I've got a new business idea. I am going to open up a Submarine dive company to visit the wreckage of Titan. Only £250k each, if anyone's interested, DM me.
Unfortunately the Titan wasn't profitable, but you could just bolt two bathtubs together and go down in that instead? You might cover your losses then.
 

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These advanced subs are not just lying around for incidents to happen and shipped via plane or helicopter onto the deck of another ship, plus for all we know they were pre-occupied in deep sea missions / surveys etc when this happened. I'm pretty sure it's not as simple as "hoist them up Popeye" and ship them over to Titanic. They are extremely specialised and needs specialised boats to go with them, hence why the French one took 2 / 3 days to sail there.

I agree, it's frustrating as hell though
The owner of it said he offered it right at the start, but it took days for the agreement and paperwork
 

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This whole thing is beyond grim.

I wouldn't get in that metal tube above ground with the door open.

To think people have been willing to pay all that money to get in it, be sealed by 7 external bolts then go down all that way while relying on a PS controller just completely boggles my mind.

It's awful to think it wasn't even like sh1t we're in trouble, then five minutes later they're dead - we're talking about literally days in this box before they (presumably have now) expired.

One of the worst stories I can ever remember hearing about.
It’s not a competition of course, this is a pretty crappy way too go

but it’s not as terrible as the Paria Diving Tragedy, Christ that was just utterly awful
 

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Nobody is being sensitive. It’s just a bit pompous to act like you know what people should be interested in.
I asked what the draw was, not what people should and shouldn't be interested in. I don't get it and I was hoping for some casual insight in case I'm missing something.
 

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I still don't think debris means it has to be from the Titan though. There were so many false positives when it came to debris with the MH 370 also.
 

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People don’t give a toss about engineering quality. These are historical sites and/or represent events in human history. People take an interest in them. There’s a story behind it and an interesting one at that, and that’s what people care about.
What if I told you that I was making a joke in comparing it to the failed ship?

Also, bold of you to speak for everyone that’s ever visited the Pyramids. I, for one, thought the engineering was cool.
 

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There are 3 paying guests on the craft, plus pilot and a 'content expert' I believe. 750k for one dive seems like it would fund that easily?
That’s what I mean. For all this to be safe, I think it would need to be more expensive. That’s why I wouldn’t have been comfortable with this in the first place.
I thought the same - it's obviously a rich persons dream trip kind of experience... I'd have thought 10 million a seat would be more like it. Instead it's a weeks wage for a good footballer..
 

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I asked what the draw was, not what people should and shouldn't be interested in. I don't get it and I was hoping for some casual insight in case I'm missing something.
People take an interest in anything with a back story or historical value. There are far, far more mundane interests on the spectrum, than shipwrecks.
 

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I've got a new business idea. I am going to open up a Submarine dive company to visit the wreckage of Titan. Only £250k each, if anyone's interested, DM me.
I've got an old megadrive controller you can have.

And these, jsut in case it goes tits up and you have to kill the other passengers to survive.

 

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I still don't think debris means it has to be from the Titan though. There were so many false positives when it came to debris with the MH 370 also.
It's on the debris floor, not sure the significance of that but enough to hold a press conference. or it could also be the timing of the oxygen running out and their turning it into a recovery operations anyways.