We ended the season poorly and you can't spend that much money in the summer, get a whole new spine and then be shite still. Something has to give at some point so I hope for his sake something else happens this window...
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
We got 3 points, but we were piss poor to start the season after a very flat preseason. Concerning
Then he is abdicating responsibility he needs to be the adult in the room, given the arms race going on in the PL we don't have the luxury to pander to managers. Do proper thoughtout recruitment with the whole recruitment team, never rely on the manager's pickings, we losing money trying to clear out anothet manager's mess we shouldnt be creating another in the process. £400m in two seasons to look like that is very worrying. Wtf is ETH playing at?
EtH got it wrong today. Not just with the initial setup but also with the subs. In a game where we are getting dribbled through midfield, taking off Mount for Eriksen was suicidal. Wolves kept attacking our left time and time again and Shaw had zero cover. I know he can see the problems himself but I worry that he might be too stubborn and keeps sticking with the current midfield. He needs to change it even if it means Mount becomes a 55m benchwarmer. The balance isn't right.
Yes it is. By all reports he wanted to go there whether we pushed harder or not. You can see with the Caicedo and Lavia deals when players want to go somewhere they will go. There was a reason for it and all reports at the time said that.
Worried about ETH, the players were shit yea but the tactics were questionable
Shaw as an inverted fullback doesn’t work
Bruno and Mount both were too high up the pitch
Have been saying this as soon as the Mount news broke, Bruno and Mount won’t work, especially with Casemiro as the DM who doesn’t have the legs. What we needed was a silky smooth CM who could pass around the press and make us tick not a #10
It looks like ETH is trying to emulate Klopp’s Liverpool when they use to bypass the midfield and deliver straight to the attacking trio, trouble is they had actual talent up front.
We need bodies in midfield before the window closes, it’ll be a disaster season otherwise.
Shaw as an inverted fullback doesn’t work
Bruno and Mount both were too high up the pitch
Have been saying this as soon as the Mount news broke, Bruno and Mount won’t work, especially with Casemiro as the DM who doesn’t have the legs. What we needed was a silky smooth CM who could pass around the press and make us tick not a #10
It looks like ETH is trying to emulate Klopp’s Liverpool when they use to bypass the midfield and deliver straight to the attacking trio, trouble is they had actual talent up front.
We need bodies in midfield before the window closes, it’ll be a disaster season otherwise.
Agreed. The very least I’m expecting from him is to introduce a particular brand of football. He has not done that yet. We don’t look like we know how to press as a team or combine to create chances. If he doesn’t fix that very quickly, results will follow and the supporters’ patience will be tested.
'Players like' its an example of someone who was better suited to our needs who we could've gone for. I could've also said players like Lavia etc. My point is we spent £60m for nothing other than to continue the tradition of United buying #10s when we need #8s. Donny's successor found for double the money. Great work.
I'm gonna put that down to new manager bounce and the players preparing to play against a completely different system. Still not good enough though.
We didn't look ready at all tonight. Not surprised to hear we're playing a behind closed doors match.
That was worryingly poor. Zero control, terrible quality and decisions on the ball, and physically we don't look ready at all.
If we get 6-3'd by Arsenal, there won't be an excuse this season. Bring in Amrabat and move the Chelsea reject to the bench pronto.
Alternatively, make me look like a fool but sort this out.
Alternatively, make me look like a fool but sort this out.
When you put it like that, it's even more worrying
My major concern at this point is that he gets sacked and we get lumbered with Antony and Mount for the next 5 years until they leave on a free.
Still no Casemiro backup, you shouldn't be surprised.
So still blaming the guy who hasn't demanded these players. Continue to pass the buck for ETH, this team is made up of most of his players now. It's all on him.
Having full preseason, getting the signings in early, still can't get us into any kind of rhytm and with zero pattern of play. Had my reservations with him coming from a superweak one sided league dominating by one team, which quite frankly has the by far the biggest budget and biggest talents in the league.
So quite naturally will get plenty of possession and score a lot of goals. In the EPL, there are no weak teams and if you have players whoare not athletic enough. Imagine you get rid of your best running midfielder to watch a no10 dropping deeper in midfield next to Matic MK2 " legs gone" Casemiro and Lose possessiona t every occassion tryna play hollywood balls Bruno, How can you stand chance in midfield with this?
Day and night if you have a player who can run all days from deep with the ball like Wolves have and we are talking about relegation team. How that was not a penalty and it stayed 1:0 is beyond me. Lots of room for improvement but manager makes the same mistakes again and again.
So quite naturally will get plenty of possession and score a lot of goals. In the EPL, there are no weak teams and if you have players whoare not athletic enough. Imagine you get rid of your best running midfielder to watch a no10 dropping deeper in midfield next to Matic MK2 " legs gone" Casemiro and Lose possessiona t every occassion tryna play hollywood balls Bruno, How can you stand chance in midfield with this?
Day and night if you have a player who can run all days from deep with the ball like Wolves have and we are talking about relegation team. How that was not a penalty and it stayed 1:0 is beyond me. Lots of room for improvement but manager makes the same mistakes again and again.
technical floor of the team is still in the pits - and now so is the physical side with a midfield of Bruno/Mount and a diminishing Casemiro
all things most people that watch football regularly could have told you beforehand but somehow our manager thinks this experiment will work
all things most people that watch football regularly could have told you beforehand but somehow our manager thinks this experiment will work
Brighton did that in the first game last year and won the game. Then you've Wolves beating us two years ago at Old Trafford, if you go through the last 10 years there's lots of examples. But yeah this year it has to get better for Ten Hag. It's just one game though, let's see.
Mount is at best an upgrade on VDB for now. Will he improve? God, I hope so. But I don't see any kind of creativity, passing range, calmness, or ability to carry the ball at the elite level. But I am not sure how much we can blame it on ETH. Some of our rivals are buying 100 million midfielders, whereas we are looking at half of that value.
ETH may be a great coach (that remains to be seen for us), but without good players, he will achieve pretty much nothing much to write about here with the competition we are in.
Not the start we were hoping for. He needs to fix our midfield asap
Yep the fitness or effort was abysmal. Players shouldn’t be outrun when the coaches are meant to have been working on it.
He shouldn't. No club operates that way nowadays.
We're honestly so crap it's unbelievable. We have the audacity to mock other teams when we were hanging by our dear lives at our home to 1-0 win against a midtable team and our GK is saving our ass.
Nothing has changed. We're continuing from where we ended last season. At least we got the 3 points this time.
Nothing has changed. We're continuing from where we ended last season. At least we got the 3 points this time.
Nor with those wide players
Well we do.
Antony, Mount… He’s just not good at identifying transfer targets.
That has to be the worst performance from the so called top 6. We thought Liverpool would have issues in midfield, we need to look closer to home.
Extremely concerning. I've backed ETH completely but I'm having huge huge huge worries. My worst fears are being realized on the pitch.
What do I know, but I don't see how this midfield can work. Not sure what's this midfield supposed to be doing. Obvious susceptible to the counter, poor in possession and the whole point of Mount is supposed to be pressing and we were awful with that.
I really worry for our season and him.
What do I know, but I don't see how this midfield can work. Not sure what's this midfield supposed to be doing. Obvious susceptible to the counter, poor in possession and the whole point of Mount is supposed to be pressing and we were awful with that.
I really worry for our season and him.
Needs his striker to be fit as soon as possible.
The issue with United, and its a long standing issue for the past 5, 6, 7 years. It is utter chaos in the midfield. They all play at 100mph.
The issue with United, and its a long standing issue for the past 5, 6, 7 years. It is utter chaos in the midfield. They all play at 100mph.
No patterns of play. No coherent footballing style. This is not looking good. Been a downwards trend since the Carabao Cup final.
You can see why he would want someone like Onana from Everton. We need more physicality and athleticism in the squad.
Ole part 2?
There was zero structure, we had Shaw next Onana on goalkicks and Martinez, later lindelof, in midfield. What was that about? No one in logical positions to recieve a pass, we were outmuscled and outfought. Then we were totally dominated after the goal. We're going nowhere at the moment.
These were the only two guys that showed some effort in the first half in my opinion.
Did you watch.. you know... us losing 7-0 to Liverpool last year?
Lads I think he should of been more careful with money spent this summer. I think we should of bought in a different midfielder and 2 CF with Onana
I do like Mount but I'd rather options upfront. Throwing Mctominey upfront last 5-10 mins is poxy.
I do like Mount but I'd rather options upfront. Throwing Mctominey upfront last 5-10 mins is poxy.
It really is baffling. We are so careless in possession, there is no structure and everything is so hurried. I am absolutely shocked by today's performance
.Like Wolve's manager, you mean? Who outplayed us? Who had no reinforcements, only departures. (His best players.) Right. Good excuse that.