I think the point is that if not played in the position that he will be best at, those first team opportunities will dwindle through failing to impress. Reminds me of the Gomes situation where Gomes has started to do better once he started playing deeper for Lille. In an attacking position, there is more pressure to have end product. Some players are more suited for that, others can better use their technical ability to help the team in build up and eventually grow to have more influence in the final third.
46
Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 10
- Goals
- 1
- Assists
- 0
- Yellow cards
- 3
Judging by yesterday's game, he also seems to think Bruno is a CB too.
Comes on, scores....wont see him again until next years tour.
Run about a bit as usual got stuck in and collected that customary yellow card.
Nice to see him get on the scoresheet.
Nice to see him get on the scoresheet.
Scored more goals in less minutes than Martial who is a ST.
I bet he gets as many yellow cards as appearances each season
He also thinks Martial is a statue…
I wouldn't hate him being given a go at right wing if the other alternative is McTominay. Neither of them are really natural attackers but great to see Mejbri get a great goal yesterday, it's something he can do more of I think. He's certainly a much better dribbler and passer than McTominay and works harder too. If poor old Pellistri doesn't get the nod next game then it should be Mejbri IMO.
Unless you show composure beyond your age like Mainoo does, It’s a lot less risky to play a young player in an advanced position. Should he make an error, there would still be a lot of players behind him to cover. If you make an error as a DM, you’re pretty much creating a goalscoring opportunity for the opponents.
I felt his yellow card was a bit unfortunate. He’s a player that likes to get stuck in but he’s not a violent player. I feel like he already has a reputation and refs will be targeting him same as they did with Casemiro
I dont disagree, think his best position personally may be as a 8.....but then so are the otehr youngsters and they may be competing with Mount, Eriksen and even Arambat let alone each other.
Though personally think the youngsters skill sets are actually better suited, I dont think they get the opportunities, so though yes it may be a handicap, I jsut want to see a couple of them gettign minutes
Our senior players are shameless if i were ETH i would drop half of them and play the kids instead. What could go wrong? losing by big scores? well duh...
Onana:
Dalot
Linda
Licha
Regullion:
Casemiro
Ambrabat:
Pellestri
Hannibal
Garnacho:
Hojlund
That would be my team in next PL fixture.
Onana:
Dalot
Linda
Licha
Regullion:
Casemiro
Ambrabat:
Pellestri
Hannibal
Garnacho:
Hojlund
That would be my team in next PL fixture.
We usually start writing this after 30 games. This is a really special year it seems
Hannibal is a breath of fresh air when it comes to aggression and fighting for the ball, unlike most of our attacking MF and forwards.
Unfortunately, if he becomes a starter, I can see red cards being a regular problem, unless he can temper his enthusiasm a bit.
Maybe ETH thinks the same?
Unfortunately, if he becomes a starter, I can see red cards being a regular problem, unless he can temper his enthusiasm a bit.
Maybe ETH thinks the same?
He will make it as a top player whether it is at man utd or another top club. He, like Bruno will be one of those players who by the age of 27 will be able to combine creativity with insane grit.
https://x.com/privilege_mufc/status/1703124402232070438?s=20
At times like these ^ you just want to see a player put in a tackle and take the yellow tbh. Hannibal would of been that guy yesterday.
I like him. Didn’t look out of place by any means even outside of his goal, solid performance. Looked more threatening than McTom anyway.
Needs to work on his all round game. I think ETH would ideally like him as that box to box player. I know he scored yesterday but I don't generally think he'll set the world alight in the final third and I don't think he'll ever have the discipline to play as a 6.
But he could have the energy and enthusiasm and all round game to play as a 8 and we lack that in our midfield options. Mount was a terrible idea (but if played as a 10 would be better than Hannibal based on his production at Chelsea).
So I think the challenge for Hannibal is set. He's in the squad, he's got a chance, if he can show he deserves to start with stuff like yesterday then it's up to him. There isn't any body that is outstanding blocking his way.
But he could have the energy and enthusiasm and all round game to play as a 8 and we lack that in our midfield options. Mount was a terrible idea (but if played as a 10 would be better than Hannibal based on his production at Chelsea).
So I think the challenge for Hannibal is set. He's in the squad, he's got a chance, if he can show he deserves to start with stuff like yesterday then it's up to him. There isn't any body that is outstanding blocking his way.
Rooney was even more aggressive on his younger days. Fergie bought him for record fee, and made him one of our main star players at a much younger age.
Well yeah he's 20. Be very unusual if he was already complete.
You know I think Hannibal might be even more extreme. If not aggression at least in terms of causing trouble on the pitch. He's an absolute rascal and I like it.
He got 10 yellows in 41 games on his last season's loan. As a combative midfielder, 1 yellow in every 4 games is not bad.
https://thepeoplesperson.com/2023/0...elopment-united-need-more-in-midfield-265479/
One thing I find strange in the criticism of several of our youngsters over ht elast fe years is the "needs to work on all round game, too raw, not sure ready, needs a loan"
Obviously the vast majority of youngsters will be inconsistent and have to develop.....but we are not talking about youngsers playing for our 95/99/2010 sides here. Are som eof these players too raw to be less conistentor discilpined in there rolls than.....pretty much the vast majority of players that are around the first team squad or have just left the club, that hav been here in several cases for several years?
I man can Garnacho/Pellestri/Amad going to be less consistent than Antony or Sancho or even Rashford
Could say the same in midfield against VDB, McFed and even Fernandes. We have had many false dawns over some of our younger players over a pretty long period of time considering our status for brigning players through and quite a few over rated the last decade bar Greenwood.
But I think it has been a long time since we have had so many talented young players AMad, Pellestri, Gore, Hannibal, Mainoo, Hansen and others coming through below them. Not all if any of them will make it here, but they should b egetti chanes above some squad players here that really havent bee very good for some time and for me there are at least a couple of cases there where we have signed more experinces players who are less talented and suiteed to the roles they may have been bought for , possibly limitig the chances for better players, especially onc eour injury list changes
Obviously the vast majority of youngsters will be inconsistent and have to develop.....but we are not talking about youngsers playing for our 95/99/2010 sides here. Are som eof these players too raw to be less conistentor discilpined in there rolls than.....pretty much the vast majority of players that are around the first team squad or have just left the club, that hav been here in several cases for several years?
I man can Garnacho/Pellestri/Amad going to be less consistent than Antony or Sancho or even Rashford
Could say the same in midfield against VDB, McFed and even Fernandes. We have had many false dawns over some of our younger players over a pretty long period of time considering our status for brigning players through and quite a few over rated the last decade bar Greenwood.
But I think it has been a long time since we have had so many talented young players AMad, Pellestri, Gore, Hannibal, Mainoo, Hansen and others coming through below them. Not all if any of them will make it here, but they should b egetti chanes above some squad players here that really havent bee very good for some time and for me there are at least a couple of cases there where we have signed more experinces players who are less talented and suiteed to the roles they may have been bought for , possibly limitig the chances for better players, especially onc eour injury list changes
Imo he is a no8. In our current system that is in the Mount and Bruno position. His talents are more suited to a traditional CM no8 akin to the Eriksen position of last season.
If we’re going to persist with EtH’s plan, I could see Hannibal in the Bruno role. Hopefully he’ll get plenty of cup minutes and then I could see him challenge for starts in bigger games.
I would love to see it. A shake up of the personnel is required. However, I want to keep on with the system so not sure about Amrabat and Casemiro together.
But who cares. Give Rashford a rocket and lose McT altogether.
Being a consistent advocate for Hannibal, that was my silver lining yesterday. The fact he got a chance, and took it.
There are a few of us here - @Adnan, @OrcaFat, @Rozay, @Bertie Wooster to name a few who have watched Hannibal a fair bit in the reserves that I'm sure would have taken some comfort in that moment.
The reason why some wish he could have played a bit deeper, is he has looked so much more influential in slightly deeper areas. Yes, it's the reserves, but if he replicates just a bit of that in the men's game, he'll be some player. And the signs are good considering he did well in pre-season and the story is he was our best player in the behind-closed-doors game.
If I'm honest, I don't really associate him with scoring blinders like that. He runs games - short passing, long passing, dribbling, hussle. He needs chances to bring it all together. Mainoo and him can be really valuable to us this season.
There are a few of us here - @Adnan, @OrcaFat, @Rozay, @Bertie Wooster to name a few who have watched Hannibal a fair bit in the reserves that I'm sure would have taken some comfort in that moment.
The reason why some wish he could have played a bit deeper, is he has looked so much more influential in slightly deeper areas. Yes, it's the reserves, but if he replicates just a bit of that in the men's game, he'll be some player. And the signs are good considering he did well in pre-season and the story is he was our best player in the behind-closed-doors game.
If I'm honest, I don't really associate him with scoring blinders like that. He runs games - short passing, long passing, dribbling, hussle. He needs chances to bring it all together. Mainoo and him can be really valuable to us this season.
Absolutely.
He needs a few games or, let’s say, a few decent chunks of minutes, but to my eyes he is not far away from competing for regular selection. And he is talented enough to adapt to the High 8 role that EtH likes and we may find his creativity will see him coming on for Mount around 65 mins as well as deputising for Bruno (it’s a big ask to try and displace the skipper from the side).
Garnacho has been terrible every appearance so far. I’m pretty sure he lost the ball on every attack v Brighton.
Pellistri looks good though and we need to see him more.
I'm starting to wonder...why are we not giving more chances to the kids, instead of paying over the top for average/worse than average players. How worse can Mejbri be than Mount? I doubt it will be 50 million worse.
He finally got his chance and took it. From now we should use him more often. In contrary to Casemiro or Eriksen, he has fresh legs that can run.
I remember you mentioned this in the Onana thread and here now. Do you genuinely believe Ten Hag is going to be starting games with two of Mainoo/Amrabat and Hannibal?
Loved his energy and enthusiasm.
Unfortunately, he isn’t it and isn’t going to make it here.
Unfortunately, he isn’t it and isn’t going to make it here.
Why not include Gore while you're at it?
I do think it's a possibility, yes.
First of all we have to try and understand ten Hag's tactical concept when it comes to playing the game and how he wants to play the game in the opponent's half. So when he arrived at the club, the first thing he attempted to do was sign Frenkie de Jong. And the reason he was trying to sign Frenkie de Jong was due to the player being a fit for the way ten Hag wants to progress the ball from the back. FdJ had the ball carrying/dribbling and resisting/evading pressure ability which is absolutely crucial for a head coach who wants to bypass the opponent's press from the defensive and midfield lines. Unfortunately we weren't able to sign de Jong but instead we signed Casemiro who imo was a better fit alongside the personnel we had in the team last season and hence playing a more direct game in transition suited the collective as a whole where the GK kicked it long and we ceded possession against the top teams who also happened to be the best high pressing teams in the league. And ten Hag mentioned in a press conference after missing out on de Jong about possibly developing a youngster from the academy as the connector from the base of the midfield.
And it became evident during pre-season when Kobbie Mainoo was given games at the base of the midfield that ten Hag was developing him in the connector role at the base of the midfield. And for me the plan was very obvious, that we were going to go into the season with Mainoo as the connector in midfield with Amrabat coming in at the end of the window, which several reports alluded to. But unfortunately for us, Mainoo picked up a injury and has since been unavailable, which compounded matters because Amrabat joined late in the window.
We have two midfielders who can potentially play the connector role in possession at the base of the midfield against the opponent's high pressing tactics, and those two players are Amrabat and Mainoo. Amrabat is going to be the key to knitting it all together because he can slow the game down in possession by going horizontal or even vertical with his passes and also has the out of possession game to add more bite and intensity. He's not Frenkie de Jong but he should raise the level of the team when it comes to providing a calming influence in possession. Casemiro just isn't a connector type at all and it would be better to push him forward in the build up phase as the #8 and have him as the holding midfielder out of possession. It's about placing the right pieces in the right places and we should hopefully see a more functional team once everyone is available.
The team below has potential to evolve.
-----------------------Hojlund-------------------
--Rashford------Bruno------Mount---Dalot--
-----------Casemiro-------Amrabat-------------
------Shaw------Martinez------Varane---------
----------------------Onana---------------
-----------------------Hojlund-------------------
--Rashford------Bruno------Hannibal---Dalot--
-----------Mainoo-------Amrabat-------------
------Shaw------Martinez------Varane---------
----------------------Onana---------------
He actually combines well with Amad. They seem to have pretty good playing chemistry from what I have seen in the past.
Yes I do. Just my opinion. You can normally see something about young players and if they’re likely to make it. I don’t see it with Hannibal. I do see it with the likes of Mainoo and even Shea Lacey. It was obvious with Garnacho too.
He is only 20. Not sure you realise that.
For the most part you can't tell a top class player at 20. There are very few mbappes, CR7 or Messi out there.
Mainoo has only played preseason games. I think you are setting yourself for disappointment with such high straight line trajectory expectations.
For every Lacey we have an angel gomes. And I don't think the story is set in stone for ganarcho.
No one knows how a player will develop. a lot of things need to go right to be a top player.
The only thing that matters is he has talent and he should get more minutes, especially if we stopped him from going out on loan when he had a chance.
The only thing that matters is he has talent and he should get more minutes, especially if we stopped him from going out on loan when he had a chance.
That’s why I can’t put a finger on why we didn’t let McT go, apart from likelihood of the sheer combination of incompetence and greed of the people running the club.
We have not one, but two (3 if you include Gore) young midfielders who are ready to make the step up to the first team. Yes they aren’t the finished package, but they are young and you can argue that none of our midfielders are complete packages to begin with anyway. Consistency? Decision-making? The senior midfielders are neither consistent nor elite in their decision-making either.
We have not one, but two (3 if you include Gore) young midfielders who are ready to make the step up to the first team. Yes they aren’t the finished package, but they are young and you can argue that none of our midfielders are complete packages to begin with anyway. Consistency? Decision-making? The senior midfielders are neither consistent nor elite in their decision-making either.
Lacey hasn’t kicked a ball in senior football. If you are going based on youth football, I do wonder how much of Hannibal you watched, as he was a level above the rest and academy player of the year.
He definitely has it, and the thing that people seem to be most concerned about is actually one of the main assets as to why he ‘has it’. As a young player coming in, you need to be able to at least do the work, graft and look after yourself a bit, otherwise coaches don’t want to risk even the talented guys. Hannibal can play, but at the minimum, he can compete. His ability to compete is a base level, his talent will do the rest.
If we can give McTominay hundreds of games here and can’t even afford a few to Hannibal I’d be very disappointed.