You say that but swapping out Eriksen and McTominay for two of Mount, Amrabat or Hannibal would have made that work a lot better.
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
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- Goals
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- Assists
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- Yellow cards
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Sure, but it still has fundamental issues where your wider central midfielders have way too much ground to cover and then puts a ton of pressure on them to actually be dynamic with the ball at their feet (camavinga types who can cover lots of ground and run past players, which we don't have in midfield) and then your wing backs to be brilliant going forward as utilizing width is always a key fundamental aspect to the sport.
Creates problems that modern systems can take advantage of very easily that otherwise just don't exist, even if you're forced to play players out of position.
Yes, I saw that tactics video on the Brighton match as well. The tactic isn't automatically unviable, lots of teams have played with a midfield diamond before. The argument was that Eriksen and McTominay can't or won't run enough and don't have the pace to make it work. Mount, Amrabat and Hannibal are much better in that respect.
What has Szoboswhatever won or achieved in his career to be considered a genuinely top quality midfielder?
35m for Mount
What does team achievements have to do with anything? Watch the two regularly and tell me there isn't a gulf in class between them. I'm guessing you two haven't watched Liverpool much this season.You've watched Mount 10 times for Chelsea, and I'd guess around half of those are for England where everyone plays shit except Kane and you concluded he never did anything.
Genuinely top quality midfielder like Szoboszlai? Are you being satirical? How is Szoboszlai a top midfielder, while Mount is not, when one has done three times as much in his career than the other? fecking hell.
I guess it's all about the new names that sound exotic, rather than players who have shown it at the top level even if their name is boring.
Bang average
What? Mount has 11 goals and 10 assists in his best PL season, and already assisted the only goal in the CL final that ensured a victory against City. Szoboszlai has 6 goals and 8 assists playing in fecking Bundesliga. This isn't of course what defines the better player, but when you suggest there is a gulf in class between them, that is absolutely laughable. Did you not see Mount's performance yesterday? Have you seen Szoboszlai do that yet?
I think you enjoy Szoboszlai more because he is a powerhouse, but Mount presses more effectively, is more creative, can pass better. He is also much more intelligent than Szoboszlai.
I've watched almost every game by Szoboszlai this season, and while he has been pretty decent and started well, he has not shown anything that Mount hasn't shown before. We'll see whether he improves a lot, but I also saw Naby Keita having very good games. Look how that turned out.
We get it. You hate Mount, and love every player Liverpool buy. Don't forget Klopp wanted Mount over Szoboszlai, though. Also, try not to piss in your bed tonight.
Yes, he’s still average. A goal against a championship side doesn’t change that. No surprise though that you waited until he done something before scurrying back in here to reply.Bang average
And this is why using the caf these days is a waste of time
You're one of the whiniest posters on this forum, though. You didn't acknowledge Mount's performance yesterday, but as soon as Szoboszlai scores a great goal, you're instantly on here to tell everyone how good he is and how shit Mount is. Embarrassing behaviour.
My point was made way before today's match, that Mount and Szoboszlai are similarly priced, and one would suit us far more and is the better player. All I said was that Mount is a £35m player from what I've seen. If he proves me wrong, great. One decent game and 2-3 invisible games has changed nothing. The end.
Not sure what tactics video you're talking about. It's just basic knowledge that was painfully evident during the game. Yes the latter 3 would fare better in it, but the system itself is still bad for our squad and generally not good in modern football. It's why nobody really uses it. There were never many teams who were successful with a diamond, and certainly not since Ancelottis Milan in the mid 2000's. Been almost 20 years where nobody has been successful with that tactic for a reason.
I like mount I think he is unfairly cursed on here by people who only see black and white. He was class 2 years ago at Chelsea, Chelsea had a horror season where the whole team went from a 10 to a zero. He came here with people thinking he will score 100 goals and make 100 assists, he is not that type of player. He was brought for the press, his workrate and versatility.
Saying that, given the youngsters we have in midfield (hannibal, gore and Mainoo), I can't help but think that our priority signing should have been Kim. I think we needed a CB much more and given we got Amrabat, im just not sure his signing was urgent.
Either way, I trust Hag, I feel he has a strategy, it's a matter of time when things Start to click and this team is always surrounded by craziness such as Ronaldo, glazers, Greenwood,Antony and now sancho. We need a break.
Saying that, given the youngsters we have in midfield (hannibal, gore and Mainoo), I can't help but think that our priority signing should have been Kim. I think we needed a CB much more and given we got Amrabat, im just not sure his signing was urgent.
Either way, I trust Hag, I feel he has a strategy, it's a matter of time when things Start to click and this team is always surrounded by craziness such as Ronaldo, glazers, Greenwood,Antony and now sancho. We need a break.
Some of his passes and positioning were genuinely lovely to watch. I hope we can find a role for him because he's extremely talented and a proper professional who works his socks off. Love the lad.
Starting to wonder if we might end up in one of those weird situations were our best team doesn't actually include our best player (Bruno). Long way to go yet.
Starting to wonder if we might end up in one of those weird situations were our best team doesn't actually include our best player (Bruno). Long way to go yet.
Edge Bruno out ?
He literally won us the last game
Quality control
Are you mad, bruh?
Dombosslad is playing like actual StevieG 2.0
Played everywhere in that triple 8 midfield and basically does everything good, defensively and offensively.
Got few long-rangers in as well early season.
Very exciting player to watch.
I'm not a huge Mount fan, but he's definitely a higher grade of player than McTominay. No way McTominay plays 36 times for England, even though they need a guy like him.
Mount is weak and he's not a genius, which means he'll probably never be a great #10, it's not like he's going to suddenly be a consistent match winner like Musiala, Bruno, De Bruyne or Odegaard, but he runs and is technically solid, lots of teams nowadays have success with that type of player (Inter with Mkhitaryan making the CL final for example, Oscar at Chelsea, Mount himself at Chelsea, though interestingly they used wingbacks like that Inter side does).
My guess is he'll be good when the side is in good stead, and frustrating when we're not playing well, rather than a constant, but that's true of quality starters on every team except City, who are a well oiled machine we're sadly miles away from, and likely will be at least until Pep goes.
Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not.
He has played like 7 games and he has been good, but he doesn't do everything good, and he hasn't been close to anything what Gerrard did. Tell me what Szoboszlai has done that Mount hasn't, because he isn't even close creatively or actual pressing. Running around everywhere isn't pressing.
Isn’t stat padding against weaker opponents one of the main criticisms of him? No one is saying he can’t look reasonable in a stroll in the park against Palace reserves. Let’s see how he now backs it up in harder matches.
Also, did he play at 10 in this match? My main concern about buying him was that it was a high fee for a player I thought would be back up to Bruno, as I don’t see Mount as an 8. If his best performances are going up be as a 10, then he isn’t a player we needed this summer. We could have easily saved £50m and picked him up on a free next summer.
Did you not see him in CL quarter final against Porto, semi final against Real Madrid and CL final against Man City? We've already seen how he backs it up in harder matches, mate. Obviously, it wouldn't hurt if he kept going like that
Why do you put so much emphasis on what Mount did a couple of seasons ago at Chelsea?
He plays for United now.
Going by the trend of last 12-18 months, his form has been quite bad and he continued such trend in United.
Surely this is cause for concern, not fervent justification.
Gerrard was one of Liverpool best academy graduates during late 1990's meanwhile Dombosslad came from smaller football league nation working his way up.
Their career progression will of course be different.
But the latter has been bossing it in Austria and continue the trend in German (despite curtailed by early long-term injury).
But it's pretty plain to see the likeness in physique, style of play, skillsets and leadership quality.
Everything good does not mean every single thing is good.
When you play of course, you make a little mistakes here and there.
But being new to the country and league, he has pretty much like a duck to water.
I can't decide if him or Maddison as the signing of the season.
Madders was also some I championed during summer transfer, but his recent injury record at Leicester was a bit of concern.
I sure whish to have either of these 2 than Mount.
I've honestly never heard that and I feel like about 20% of my entire post count over the past few years is arguing with people about Mason.
Indeed, your Mount propaganda represents a fair amount of your posts. And to be fair I think that you were right from the start, his individual qualities are quite obvious, the question is whether his manager is willing to treat him as a key player or as a versatile player. To some extent he reminds me Valverde sometimes being versatile isn't good for a player.
I'm just fighting the good fight against slander, ignorance and idiocy (as always).
Do you not see the advantage Szoboszlai has over Mount in the sense that he is joining a well run club with a clear style of play, playing for one of the best managers in the world as opposed to Mason who is joining a club in chaos, similarly to his last year in Chelsea? Yes, it is less chaotic here, but we've got half of our squad injured and/or recently coming back from injury and having to work their way back up. Not only that, but we haven't set a real position for him yet, which makes it a bit difficult for him to know his role and responsibilities.
Szoboszlai was pretty much in one of the best teams you can go to as a teenager for 3 years before going to Leipzig. He was good there for Leipzig, but he didn't particularly stand out in Bundesliga at all. Have you already forgotten that Mason Mount was Klopp's number one target over Szoboszlai? I'm pretty you'd be drooling over Mount if you had seen him for Liverpool, playing much better football and with a set role rather than how he has been for us. You should also keep in mind that there were no other top clubs interested in Szoboszlai. Surely, if he was so good - the second coming of Gerrard - all of the top clubs would want him? Yet, none other than Liverpool were after him. As a second choice.
You also claim Mount has been quite bad and continued such trend in United. He has been bad, but what Chelsea player other than Enzo Fernandez wasn't? You're also not taking into account that he was injured. How is a player supposed to play good football when he is out injured?
He played 150 minutes of average football for us before he got injured, and then returned with a great performance against Crystal Palace. Are you really going to judge him continuing in bad form after 2 mediocre games and 1 great? Your bias is evident.
Marvel is getting silly. What kind of superhero catchphrase is that?
What do mean?
City was sniffing around Dom as soon as they realized the KDB is getting injured more and more.
As soon as Liverpool caught wind of his release clause (they've got German DOF intern apparently) , they slapped Leipzig with the cash pronto.
If City managed to get him, that would be just unfair to the league.
Klopp's priority was definitely MacAllister, duh!
HG quota weighed heavily on his mind as he lost Ox and Milner at the same time, of course Mount appears a good proposition.
Liverpool's reaction to Dom's release clause speaks for itself with regard to priority.
Dealing with talent from that RB (both Sazlburg and Leipzig) conveyor belt can be tricky even at the best of times.
There are so many examples where transfer went in rather unexpected direction.
Olmo is another one at the cusp, I don't know what's the hold up.
You can have your opinion but I maintain my stance since summer transfer, Dom or Madders over Mount.
What the feck is a dombosslad?
City were not after Szoboszlai. What is the point of making things up? City getting him would make no difference, anyway. He is not good enough on the ball and lacks the passing required to play CM for them.
Klopp needed 3 different type of CMs, and MacAllister was priority for the "controlling" one, Mount the creative role and Caicedo/Lavia for the defensive. He got only one of his first priorities in MacAllister and the others were back-ups. Are you also going to claim that Endo is a fantastic CDM and was his number one?
This is not to say that Szoboszlai hasn't been good and yes, he has been better than Mount, but that doesn't make him a better player. We will see if Szoboszlai can keep this up, or if Mount keeps performing like he did against Crystal Palace. If he does, there is no doubt who the better transfer is.
So Szoboszlai is already being called one of the best as soon as he joined Liverpool, the pattern repeats for every single player that goes there.
Dunno. But seems to be a pal of Madders.
Calling him “Dombosslad” unironically should be a bannable offence, if you’ve typed that out and you’re not 12 you need to give your head a wobble. Embarrassing stuff.
Can we ban this guy over his ridiculous name references?
These newbs are getting worse by the day.
There’s been a few teams, Juventus employed it when Pogba was there. That’s being a bit pedantic though because the reasons you’ve outlined for it not working at United are all spot on imo. It has some fundamental requirements for it to be carried out well and due to the factors you’ve listed I can’t see United going in that direction, at least not as the main approach.
I can't argue with your logic surely.
Better players play ... better ... and consistently.
Prime example: Mo Salah, annoyingly good and productive even if Liverpool was rather cack last season.
You don't have to believe what I wrote.
City quickly moved to Paqueta before the betting scandal cropped up; eventually ended up with Nunes.
They have endless money pit to fight off any charges but avoiding further scandal is wise.
Endo is stop-gap DM solution and versatile option.
Players like him has their place in any squad.
Being yet another country's captain shows he has good mentality.
I swear to Jupiter, people have weird priority of embarrassing stuffs.
Supporting regime which actively and persistently bombing brown people in their own country is embarrassing.
Being monolingual is an adult in 21st century is embarrassing.
Neglecting parents as they grow old and feeble is embarrassing.
No 12 y.o. can come up with the world play like me.
You’re an odd fella
Aren't you describing yourself but in the Bruno thread there?
100's of posts criticising a player. Said player scores a brilliant goal to win us a game and nothing from you.
That's all fine but it's a bit rich to be having a pop at others for it.
This is post for post the worst page I've ever seen on here.
What is this thread?? I haven't cringed so hard in a while.
Why do you bother posting when you don't know what you're talking about? I was out all Saturday, so I didn't get to watch the game, and one of my first posts the following day was me saying Bruno scored a fantastic goal. Besides, Bruno didn't have a good game just because he scored a great goal. It was a very average performance when I watched it later. Not only by him, of course. You'll find no posts of me in any of our player's performance threads after the win to Burnley.
Any way, it's not the same as this poster is doing. He is praising Liverpool's new signing as the second coming of Gerrard after 7 games, and already dismissing the idea of Mount being a good player because he has played 150 bad minutes for us before he got injured, then he comes back and performs great against Crystal Palace. Nothing from him, but as soon as Szoboszlai scores a nice goal, he's praising him like a deity.
Its always been an internet fan favourite that you rarely see in the wild apart from in one-off games for specific tactical reasons. But Real Madrid are playing a 442 diamond this season in order to accomodate Bellingham, who mostly plays at the top of the diamond. It'll be interesting to see how that pans out for them.