You shouldn't bother. Standards here have been in the toilet for ages now. The managers are guilty of it too.Problem is you lot are having to come up with these excuses practically every game. At some stage you just have to admit it's not good enough. If you can't see that it's not good enough then I can't help you, nobody can. The standards are in the gutter, from the club to the fans. Accepting and even excusing this crap is another low point. I'm not saying a 'new low', because I heard all the exact same excuses for the exact same standard of football under Ole.
I struggle to see how you can hang your hopes on us playing better football when martinez and shaw return.I imagine it's because when the defence is settled and able to control games, you can have Mount further up as an attacking 8, along side Bruno, pushing the counter press. However, without that control, you end up with this basket ball like game that we've been seeing plenty of.
I may be wrong but I imagine once the defence is back, our style of play will be very different to what we're doing right now.
Not just two playersYou shouldn't bother. Standards here have been in the toilet for ages now. The managers are guilty of it too.
Our own manager is excusing our lack of control/disjointed performances because of Shaw/Martinez missing. If our entire style goes to shit because of just 2 players missing, then you wonder how competent the coach truly is.
This crap started in the back half of last season, wasn't just this season.I have no idea how he’s managed to take us so far backwards from where we were last season. We are such an awful side and the gap is growing all the time. New coaches come to the league every year, new players come every year, and those around you continue to improve.
2 players missing does not absolve 'shit on a stick' football in every single game.Not just two players
A centre back and left back
By worst team I meant Sheffield United btwThat worst team was going head to head with Bayern who also barely beat them by one goal. People need to stop pretending like we should have beat them 5:0 or something (even though we had chances to beat them 3, 4:0), they are not that bad.
Didn't say I was but I suspect the manger is.I struggle to see how you can hang your hopes on us playing better football when martinez and shaw return.
This is what makes me think he's a bit of a fraud (that dreaded word). Last season he needed a new GK and it would suddenly all make sense. It didn't. Before that we heard he can't play his full press due to Ronaldo... well, where is it? All I see is a half baked press against poor teams, mainly in goal kicks. I don't see this great 'playing out from the back' with his new GK. I see a wanky idea of having 2 CBs next to Onana on goal kicks, one rolls out to him, Onana goes long, the CBs run to the pitch and we hope we win the ball. Its just really shit, and I'm starting to wonder if he has an idea at all of what he's doing.You shouldn't bother. Standards here have been in the toilet for ages now. The managers are guilty of it too.
Our own manager is excusing our lack of control/disjointed performances because of Shaw/Martinez missing. If our entire style goes to shit because of just 2 players missing, then you wonder how competent the coach truly is.
Oh he is. He's deluded though. We got battered by a second string Brighton and he's talking about how he's never managed to play his best 11. This is why we won't win anything with him, as soon as one player is missing then he apparently can't do anything.Didn't say I was but I suspect the manger is.
There's a reason why that is. Well, two reasons, I suspect. Firstly, he's not coached any sort of attacking game plan into the team and relies on moments or the counter attack. Bruno and Rashford are our two players who are most likely to provide something in both those aspects. He can't drop them as we'd look toothless with how he wants us to play.Being loyal to players who consistently deliver bad performances is ten hags biggest flow. Mctominay, Rashford, bruno, Anthony should all have to work their way into the team from the bench over the next few weeks but Ten hag fears and just continues to play them... game in, game out. Ole had the same exact flaw where he continued to stick with Maguire and others rather than bench them. End result will be the same if ten hag doesnt wake up and smell the coffee
we had pretty much everyone available start of season and were poor. Our midfield and attack even at full compliment struggles to pass the ball to construct chances or take control of a game.2 players missing does not absolve 'shit on a stick' football in every single game.
Shocking signings and an inability to decide how he actually wants to play. His decision to want to try to form a team that plays “the United way” or whatever with quick transitions while also trying to implement his Ajax principles is idiotic. We are stuck with a group of players that don’t really fit together under one style and we are now good at nothing in particular.I have no idea how he’s managed to take us so far backwards from where we were last season. We are such an awful side and the gap is growing all the time. New coaches come to the league every year, new players come every year, and those around you continue to improve.
Agreed. Clueless faux philosopher from what I can see. Concerning that he seems completely oblivious to it too and seems totally convinced that the team is on track, and more often than not, ‘played well’.Shocking signings and an inability to decide how he actually wants to play. His decision to want to try to form a team that plays “the United way” or whatever with quick transitions while also trying to implement his Ajax principles is idiotic. We are stuck with a group of players that don’t really fit together under one style and we are now good at nothing in particular.
Today was the last straw for me if I’m honest. Watching him trot out McT/Bruno/Antony/Rashford etc over and over while we sit in some stagnant shape in possession that hasn’t improved at all was shocking.
No one is accepting anything. But some people have enough common sense to see all the injuries and context around the current situation and are willing to wait when the manager has run of games with actual healthy team. There is no "**** of manager" bullshit, no excuses, I and many are willing to admit it is time to move on from ETH but doing that in current circumstances is silly. You can call everything you don't agree with "excuses" but it wont change the fact that we are missing literally our whole defense, which is one of the most important part in ETH's game.Problem is you lot are having to come up with these excuses practically every game. At some stage you just have to admit it's not good enough. If you can't see that it's not good enough then I can't help you, nobody can. The standards are in the gutter, from the club to the fans. Accepting and even excusing this crap is another low point. I'm not saying a 'new low', because I heard all the exact same excuses for the exact same standard of football under Ole.
It’s so bizarre as last year I found myself agreeing with *almost* everything he said/did for most of the year. And now it’s all gone as is any semblance of team progress.Agreed. Clueless faux philosopher from what I can see. Concerning that he seems completely oblivious to it too and seems totally convinced that the team is on track, and more often than not, ‘played well’.
Exactly it's a completely absurd argument. If your entire style of play and plan is dependent on two particular individual players then your plan and coaching isn't good enough! Plain and simple. This excuse does my head in. Yes you can have key players who you will miss when they aren't there, but not to the extent that you can hold up your hands and say "Oh well nothing I can do here, it has to be shit on a stick football".2 players missing does not absolve 'shit on a stick' football in every single game.
Knowing our board we will do something idiotic like that.Please for the love of god have a backup plan. I suspect they'll hold out hope for an Arteta style turnaround and, after a drubbing from one of our rivals, give up.
I will lose my shit if we panic sign Conte after this.
Not sure how good of a coach he is or can be but I know for damn sure we're not seeing the best of him at the moment.
My opinion at the moment is he's basically looking to survive matchday-to-matchday because he knows regime change is coming and he's not exactly expensive to get rid of given the length of his current contract. He's basically very short-sighted in the way he's building this team and it's a matter of time until it comes crashing down (could be as early as Sunday).
For me, if he is to have a second chance with new money coming in, we need him and the new director of football to sit down and EtH lays out his plan to get us playing well. He then gives the new guy the profile of player(s) he needs and just gets a list from which to pick.
The signings made under him are underwhelming mostly, except for Casemiro, Eriksen and Martinez. Out of those, only Martinez would be classified as his proper signing, the rest were proven in Europe or in the PL. But they're also old.
Not sure about that.That's no way he should be getting any chance under a new regime.
He has shown he is completely out of his depth, totally stubborn with a serious lack of man management skills at this level.
We are playing worse football every week with no signs of improvements and recent wins have mostly come on efforts of players he's been trying to get rid off
If we have a new regime with new owners, Director of Football then we need a new manager too who can actually make the best of that.
I agree with you2 players missing does not absolve 'shit on a stick' football in every single game.
If players in both teams finished their chances then judging by xG we would have been lucky to get away with a draw, let alone a win.This place can't even join late UCL win. In reality it should've been 3-0 or 3-1 before 70minutes mark had players finished their easy chances but sure let blame manager because that what United supporters do
I would take that if we actually integrate youngsters in the team likes of Mainoo, Mejbri , Gore , Amad to see if they are ready to contribute or not who knows they might surprise us .Not sure about that.
I don't see him getting sacked before the end of the season because most new managers worth their salt want a full summer.
I envision a long goodbye LvG-style, with us finishing 6-8.
