He's just playing hard to get
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
doubt the owners want to spend the money right now to sack him and bring someone else in. Nothing prob going to happen until the sale goes thru, if it ever does.
Yeah there's no chance Zidane would join.
https://x.com/UtdDistrict/status/1720056894847365595?s=20
#mufc have insisted every permanent signing was on their scouting radar separately from Ten Hag’s desire to recruit them. [@MelissaReddy_]
Turns out the signings weren’t all his decision after all?
#mufc have insisted every permanent signing was on their scouting radar separately from Ten Hag’s desire to recruit them. [@MelissaReddy_]
Turns out the signings weren’t all his decision after all?
Exactly my thought. Till the rot at the club is not cleared and club set in right direction, no manager will succeed. The player power need to be curbed.
Seems like it's the end for him. Fulham and Copenhagen away, Luton at home before the international break... I guess those are 3 fixtures that we really should be getting max points from so no excuses there. But the run late November to the new year is a rough one for us. Can see them wanting to replace him during a break. So it's either now if we lose 2 of the next 3, or it'll happen in the new year.
Either way... I hope we don't hire a full time guy. Or any big contract. That should be left for Ratcliffe's people to decide, if they are coming in. Otherwise it's just recklessly throwing away money.
Either way... I hope we don't hire a full time guy. Or any big contract. That should be left for Ratcliffe's people to decide, if they are coming in. Otherwise it's just recklessly throwing away money.
Bet @crossy1686 is going nuts over this
There's a lot here to pick from. I'll start with the point about alienating part of the squad. That is squarely on the club. A manager at United needs to be backed 100% and every player needs to know that. It is on the club that they did not shift the players the club briefed the media about a few times over summer - they were said to be available and a wishlist of fees was even reported. That invites toxicity and lo and behold, it turned toxic.
Rashford hero-ball. Well, up until the League Cup final last season the team was starting to look good and it wasn't just about Rashford.
About not picking his own players. I suspect Casemiro was a club decision and a club suggestion and Erik could say yes or no. I doubt Erik asked for him to get a mega 4 year deal and I doubt Erik negotiated his transfer fee. With Eriksen I suspect he was the manager's suggestion and I questioned it at the time due to his age, his wages and him playing in Bruno's position. But as the season wore on him and Casemiro transformed our way of playing, though they were short-term solutions to problems we've had for a decade.
He's played pretty much all of the players he's bought. Antony has obviously got a situation affecting him outside of football and that's why he was away too for a fair bit. He's nowhere near worth what we paid but he's also got some attributes that worked for us last season though he is an incredibly frustrating player to watch. Malacia is injured, as is Martinez, the latter of whom is absolutely fundamental to our playing out from the back. Onana plays, he protects Hojlund so as not to run his only striker into the ground who arrived injured. So I'm not sure what you mean when you say he doesn't trust his own players. Maybe it's Mount? He was obviously injured too, and then sat on the bench for two matches before getting a start last night.
He's obviously got a major issue in figuring out the midfield.
With regards to coaching and being out-coached. I think last season is still catching up with the team as is our non-sporting-related pre-season. Erik should have spoken to the club and demanded a sporting-related pre-season as it was imperative to get his methods across in a season where we are only ever training for specific matches as there is no extra time available. This is also a problem of expectations. If you get a new manager who is meant to completly overhaul the way the team plays he cannot at the same time be expected to guarantee results. However he probably defied expectations last season where we made more progress in terms of results than in terms of performances (I'd have much preferred the latter, for long-term gain). This is where I'll criticise him also, as he's continually spoken about standards in trying to overhaul the anti-meritocracy culture at the club, and say things like "United has to win every game". He'd have been much better served by talking about performances and tactical execution, and stressing that when that starts to function properly the results will follow but that it may take time and some players will have to prove they can manage this.
My issue with his lack of courage has to do with reverting back to the team's original underdog football, or closer to it, to accommodate players who have likely shown that they aren't cut out for his tactical style. As well as not selecting the younger players who gave him the only good performance of the season and who are still young enough to be developed and moulded for the style he wants to pursue and have the hunger we see sorely lacking in the wasters clogging our team. One more issue I have with his lack of courage and that's him not being bullish with the media, but instead elaborating on and on about certain things he's asked when a simple "go feck yourself" in coded language would suffice. It's not like he's got friends out there, they have smelled blood all season and are gleefully piling on.
I hope he continues to select Garnacho and Mejbri, I would love to see him use Pellistri (and Amad when fit), Garnacho will actually put in dangerous balls for Hojlund. I would very much like to see a midfield of Mainoo, Mejbri and Mount. I would like to think that he has told the club which players need to be shifted in January and that he simply must have a centre back who can play a high line.
Generally I want him to reclaim his own dignity. This club can ruin anyone. I hope it doesn't ruin him. With a partial sale in process there is absolutely no point in changing manager right now. So he'll need to be given authority and he'll need to believe in it himself. Probably helpful to trust the instinct that a lot of these players are cnuts.
I dont know what the truth is, but if it was the case that the club actually was heavily involved in identifying players (who knows, maybe the club made the decision to get players ETH had worked with), it makes an awful lot of people attacking ETH for the signings look quite thick.
That's why I always laugh when all these fans claim that there's "no other managers out there who are any good" which is just absolute rubbish. There are talented managers out there, just like there are talented strikers who are not named Kane or Haaland. That's why there are people who are paid to make these big decisions when it comes to scouting new talent, whether that's players or managers. On a planet of 7 billion+ people, I'm sure that there are more than 4 or 5 possible people who could do a better joke than Erik is doing.
I'll be disappointed if he does have to go, but his ideas don't seem to be working. If anything, he seems to be getting his wires more and more crossed. The plan doesn't seem as clear anymore and the performances are shocking. The results don't lie and it's been a dismal season.
Well moreso that we weren't signing players the scouting department had never heard of. Reports were that the scouts didn't particularly rate Antony, yet we spent big money on him. I think it's been pretty evident that ETH has been the major driving force in our transfer activity.
One signing in particular that was definitely earmarked as more of a club signing was Casemiro. Given the change in profile from FDJ, it's pretty obvious the strategy isn't all that lined up.
Fan of both. Said Ruben Amorim for a while but now it would be too difficult, he would get swallowed up
So, the Glazers are about to sell 25% to Sir Jim and Ineos with them taking control over the sporting side of the business. The people in charge today, Arnold, Murtough, etc, who probably will be replaced by Sir Jim and Ineos, are the ones making that huge decision on ten Hag.
Yeah right
It's a scouts job to know players, of course they were aware of a player playing for Ajax. The real question is how far down the list of targets were they? And did they recommend these players?So is that guy any good? If yes would he like to come here now?
Think he’ll be gone before this month is over.
Ajax were a team that dominated possession domestically prior to him even coming in. That was something he inherited, and he brought quick transitional play. Look at the stats in their CL run where he won plaudits and they often had less possession against the other teams.
Regardless of all that, I can see with my own eyes that his football is nothing like Peps. I think he's tried to steal a couple of aspects since he's been here and poorly implemented them and given up. But I remember posters claiming he was a mix of Klopp and Pep when we brought him in. Looks a laughable comparison to make. It's one thing doing it in Eredivisie, but doing it in the PL is a different matter. And ETH has chopped and changed his system so much now that its safe to say he's not having success in implementing his ideas. I've not heard a single pundit, poster, journo, supporter be and to define exactly what his style of play is. In fact that's the one thing everyone agrees on, they don't even know what he's trying to do. That says it all.
Being on the club's radar doesn't equate to being heavily involved in transfers. One positive in Martinez and a negative with Antony. I've got no doubt the scouts would have had reports on both of these players, who are relatively young, playing in the CL for a big team like Ajax and some caps for big international countries. If we're being honest, if ETH is not in charge, I think it's unlikely we sign Martinez and we're definitely not signing Antony for the fee we paid.
It's been pretty heavily reported that ETH wanted major influence in transfers and so he should be criticised for that even if we can all agree that the club should be taking on the bulk of that responsibility.
Has anybody ever come back from this point? huge speculation over their future to the point alternate names are now coming out in the news? surely just a matter of time this
The club get a lot wrong, infact its a circus but ETH was given a lot of money and those players are obviously his choice he’s worked with most of them. That’s his downfall the signings, which he didn’t have to make at Ajax btw are piss poor.
The club get a lot wrong, infact its a circus but ETH was given a lot of money and those players are obviously his choice he’s worked with most of them. That’s his downfall the signings, which he didn’t have to make at Ajax btw are piss poor.
Yeah, defeat to Fulham and he will be gone on Monday
Arteta. I wasn't following but remember reading an article about 5 candidates to replace him back then I think. Funnily enough ETH was one of those
He's severely lacking in self awareness. Some of us have been saying it for some time. Whether you agree on Sancho, he handled it horribly. De Gea and Maguire also very poorly handled. It was only ever going one way and I've said many times he'll lose the players. Not only that but his bull shit excuses like "the players didn't follow the rules" etc every time we play bad or lose. He's so far to his own arse that he can't realise he's part of the problem.
Not only that but his English is terrible and he's a complete personality vacuum. It's really no surprise that the players are struggling.
I don't recall the results or performances being quite as bad but there were big question marks on Arteta after his first full season if I remember correctly.
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Yeah good point he looked done on a few occasions if I remember correctly
The players will piss all over him.
He won’t be gone until INEOS take control. I think it will then be deemed mutual when they take his veto for signings that he insisted on away from him.
Supposedly has clauses in his contract over control over certain things.
If he's going I'd rather someone with PL experience.
But what's anyone supposed to do with this squad and set up anyway? I could see alot of managers turning us down.
But what's anyone supposed to do with this squad and set up anyway? I could see alot of managers turning us down.
Yeah the caf including me I think was laughing our arse off over them being so crap back then
He does. He mentioned it at a press conference a few weeks ago when asked about INEOS. This whole takeover thing is a total mess and needs sorting ASAP.
INOS taking control could be months away though, as much as it should be their decision, the way things are going, the decision will need to be made much sooner.
Totally agree. Though I think Murtough Arnold and co are already done. They are just about seeing out this season.
The guy who the players made fun of before OGS left? That'll go well
Oh dear.
Players will have his pants down with weeks
Who in their right mind is going to come in knowing the person that appointed them will likely be sacked in weeks/months and the new crew may not want them? Nobody in a current job that’s for sure.
Ideally a new CEO, a proper DoF and a new manager come in at the same time.
Just a new manager continues the cycle of enabling player power. The players know the Glazers are passive dumbfecks who dole out money like there’s no tomorrow but wont spend it on a management structure that will change things.
Just a new manager continues the cycle of enabling player power. The players know the Glazers are passive dumbfecks who dole out money like there’s no tomorrow but wont spend it on a management structure that will change things.
Another one with a language barrier
Or someone is trying to protect Ten Hag. Hard to believe everything said.