Of the ones still here, Martial and Rashford threw 4 managers under the bus. Sancho threw 3 under the bus.
I think you don't understand how much you have to feck up to piss off everyone to the point no one wants to play for you any more. That's not just something that happens over night, that's consistently shitty behaviour and an unwillingness to listen to feedback.
Rashford's form last season is literally the reason Ten Hag got a 2nd season to start with. He's pretty much the only attacker who played well under him.
You don't know any of that mate, Martial is the only one who had an open disagreement with Mourinho but how much of an influence does he have on the squad to draw dissent from others? He's hardly fit enough to be in the squad, why would anyone listen to him complain about anything? Rashford hasn't thrown anyone under the bus so I'm not sure where this keeps coming from.
I don't think you understand how weak and spineless you have to be to throw 3 managers under a bus. The briefs coming out under Rangnick for example were that players didn't want to drive 5pm in the dark. Right now they are complaining about shirts being too fecking tight.
"you don't know that mate"
You'll believe anything that absolves Ten Hag won't you? Do you really think they're blaming their shirts being too tight as a reason they're losing games? Come the feck on. If you want to put this on the players entirely then there's not really much else to say except for you're going to see, in a relatively short amount of time, what can happen when you get a manager that isn't a toxic dick.
Shit clothing brands, gaming addictions, immaturity, too invested in their own brands over football???
He's also the players that gets the most shit from United fans no matter what he does. Just because he fights back against accusations doesn't mean he's actively causing players to revolt against the management. Has there been a statement from him or his 'team' calling out a manager like some other players have?
Why would he throw Ten Hag under the bus? He plays every single minute of every game. He never gets subbed off or benched. If he was turning on the manager, he would have been benched already. Ten Hag threw Sancho out of the window because he dared to say he's not a scapegoat, but Rashford keeps on playing nonstop and we are supposed to believe he's throwing Ten Hag under the bus?
Although there is an undercurrent there sometimes, I think we can safely say Pogba and Lingard were absolutely gobshites who loved to garner a following of wicked whispers.
I don't think he'll get a warm welcome from OT if/when he does.
I don't see how that makes sense. As a coach you usually have to prove yourself before a top club even considers you. And Ten Hag proved himself at Ajax, coaching a certain playing style. You signed him because of his successes there but for some reason, he felt the need to abandon (some of) the concepts that made him successful at Ajax and brought him on the radar of United to begin with. Which means he is unproven at what he currently tries to implement.
I'm not say he's actively plotting things. But when things dont go his way on the pitch he does nothing but mope and sulk. He's doubtless the same off the pitch.
Yet the manager never subs him off or benches him, even while playing pretty poorly every game. That must mean that he's actually following the manager's instructions and obeying him, going by what happened with Sancho.
Or it means there's a lot of pressure within the club to play the most marketable player on the highest salary.
Very well said
Ten Hag is in survival mode. He's desperate to get any result to save his arse. He won't play a player who is performing poorly and could get him the sack just because of this.
I think the difference between football tactics isn't as large as the difference between Italian food and sushi.
No, I wouldn't.
Martial had every reason to 'throw Mourinho under the bus', but in reality every time Mourinho actually gave him a run of games in his last 12 months Martial was our best attacker. Mourinho was the one with a massive chip on his shoulder and kept looking for every opportunity to drop him because of a personal dislike. Hell, Martial (along with Pogba, another player who had good reason to want him gone) kept Mourinho in a job for a couple of months longer than he should have by scoring 7 goals in 7 starts just when it looked like he was going to be sacked.
He's not in survival mode at all. He played Casemiro as a lone midfielder against Newcastle. Hannibal and Garnacho etc.
AWB has been highly praised for his attitude by everyone and most fans would prefer to keep him instead of Dalot. As is Casemiro (people shit on his form, not attitude). Lindelof and especially Maguire are under constant abuse while there is shitload of people who think Shaw is part of toxicity as he will go through motions and sometimes look unprepared or overweight. De Gea was seen as week and timid goalkeeper and fans couldn't wait to see the back of him welcoming Onana.
They are all unispiring, lazy and inconsistent?
Would be interesting if he went the complete opposite way. Just packing attack with as much firepower as possible.
So most likely among Rashford, Sancho, Bruno, Shaw and Martial then. You may also count Maguire, Varane, Lindelof or Mctominay etc but they don’t look like the type would go against our previous 2-3 managers.
The fact he started to play Scott McTominay regularly ahead of his own signing Mount proves he's in survival mode.
No idea why any United fan ever talks about Mourinho in any positive light or makes excuses for him. He did here exactly what he has done at clubs before AND after his time here. He is demonstrably toxic, with an awful playing style. He has resulted in multiple referees receiving horrendous treatment from fans with his blame tactics. Look at him waiting for the referee in the car park after that European final at Roma - that behaviour is ill befitting any self-respecting club or individual.
That was when everyone believed he was on the chop, Conte was available and talking with Spurs and everyone thought we were going to fire Ole and hire Conte. Ole’s response was trying to impersonate Conte by playing the same formation and the same brand of football, and we actually won 3-0 after a solid performance. Those were the days.
Mount just doesn't look very fit. Everything Ten Hag has done when it comes to Mount suggests a niggling injury they are trying to not aggrevate. A three minute run out, followed by a 45 minute run out, followed by 90 minutes in a low intensity (cause we were crap) league cup game. I don't think he's fit to be playing week in and week out at this point in time.
Would make sense to be fair. Mount is a crock, thats what annoys me about the purchase if anything.
Being pragmatic was one of Ole's good points. Even if he didnt have any tactical nous.That was when everyone believed he was on the chop, Conte was available and talking with Spurs and everyone thought we were going to fire Ole and hire Conte. Ole’s response was trying to impersonate Conte by playing the same formation and the same brand of football, and we actually won 3-0 after a solid performance. Those were the days.
I understand what he was trying originally to press as much as possible but it leaves us far too exposed we don't have the midfield for it. See Liverpool last year.
