Djemba-Djemba
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Bayern obviously watched us last night.
Do we believe they are stupid enough to base their decision on one game? I doubt itBayern obviously watched us last night.
At least you are transparent in your agenda to support Ten Hag and not the clubI came here just to support the manager! Bring pep to coach the team that lost to crystal palace yesterday and we will still lose. We lack quality players and players who have determination! How many manutd players last night will get into crystal palace squad???
I saw it and it doesn't answer the question. You just moved the goalpost for no apparent reason.Plz see above response to @stevoc
That kind of things often comes from agents. If the club has told a few of them that they are open for offers, then agents will start talking behind the scenes.Which journalist/newspaper was responsible for the leaks/reports last week the vast majority of the squad was up for sale? certainly not the best way to prepare for a game, with a cup final on the horizon. Regardless of who is in charge next season those leaks need to stop.
Last season yeah, there was two transfer windows in between and Luton signed better players.
I'm not being argumentative haha, I just don't agree with you. We are debating, that is the entire point of the forum mate.
Antony was a target that the club unanimously landed on. I think the problem here is more the club's failure to put down a single right winger and say "no mate, you're getting this guy". If Klopp can suggest Brandt over Salah and still be a top coach, I think the likes of Ten Hag can make a feck-up with Antony in the boardroom too. The problem is our support was so shite we actually went ahead with experimenting with that for a fee 3x more than his supposed worth.
No, I'm claiming that we didn't actually trust our own scouts with targets to challenge his own with. We did worse than that and sacked the global scouts when he joined.
I don't think you know what we're debating anymore. I agree most of our shortlisted players are known to Ten Hag. I'm asking why this ever was the case. Why is it a club like Manchester United are so heavily reliant on the manager to propose targets of his own?
The answer is that the structure/decision makers at the club are clueless.
Yes, the structure/decision makers at the club are useless. One of the major indicators of how useless they are is the clueless manager they chose, and then chose to persevere with, despite some of the most useless coaching, tactics and performances we’ve seen in the PL era.Antony was a target that the club unanimously landed on. I think the problem here is more the club's failure to put down a single right winger and say "no mate, you're getting this guy". If Klopp can suggest Brandt over Salah and still be a top coach, I think the likes of Ten Hag can make a feck-up with Antony in the boardroom too. The problem is our support was so shite we actually went ahead with experimenting with that for a fee 3x more than his supposed worth.
No, I'm claiming that we didn't actually trust our own scouts with targets to challenge his own with. We did worse than that and sacked the global scouts when he joined.
I don't think you know what we're debating anymore. I agree most of our shortlisted players are known to Ten Hag. I'm asking why this ever was the case. Why is it a club like Manchester United are so heavily reliant on the manager to propose targets of his own?
The answer is that the structure/decision makers at the club are clueless.
You think top players make top pundits? There is something seriously dumb with your logic, il let you work it out on your own but won't hold my breath.Scholes and Owen, two actual top class players who played under great managers = shit pundits.
Andy Mitten, who once sat down with ETH = Worth listening to as he probably has a better insight into his coaching.
The world as per VP89. Couldn't write this shit.
Come on.He then proceeded to sanction the purchases of Onana and Antony, and the loans of Weghorst and Amrabat.
Palace will be delighted to know that they can now attract very highly rated youngsters and experienced top players.Christ on a bike.
Leaks will never stop, for a club the size of ours there is too many who know somebody from within or someone who knows someone who knows someone. Most is Chinese whispers but some do tend to be true.Which journalist/newspaper was responsible for the leaks/reports last week the vast majority of the squad was up for sale? certainly not the best way to prepare for a game, with a cup final on the horizon. Regardless of who is in charge next season those leaks need to stop.
Correct, they watched the entire season of bollox insteadDo we believe they are stupid enough to base their decision on one game? I doubt it
You think Michael ‘state the bleeding obvious’ Owen and Paul ‘miserable bastard’ Scholes are good pundits?!Scholes and Owen, two actual top class players who played under great managers = shit pundits.
Andy Mitten, who once sat down with ETH = Worth listening to as he probably has a better insight into his coaching.
The world as per VP89. Couldn't write this shit.
Yes, yes it did.That Munich link always felt dodgy and unserious
Yes that’s right the famous elite squad test, whether or not they’re good enough to be squad members at Crystal PalaceWhy are you convinced our squad is so elite when they have done nothing to show it in the last 11 years?
I thought the same, however irrelevant as INEOS have zero intention of sacking him yetI've been of the oipinion for weeks that it was pointless sacking him before the end of the season. But things are getting worse week on week, his position is now untenable. He has to go asap.
There is also the matter of actually finding an interim manager and coaching staff for less than a month. Who is even available and ready to kick in to gear in a matter of days.I thought the same, however irrelevant as INEOS have zero intention of sacking him yet
Why is it so hard for some of you to accept that having an underwhelming squad and a crap manager are not exclusive? Yes our squad is a shambles but that doesn't excuse the absolute shit show ETH is producing week in week out. So yes, while our squad needs an overhaul we absolutely must get rid of EtH as well. Asap.Why are you convinced our squad is so elite when they have done nothing to show it in the last 11 years?
Let him work it out on his own. This is @pocco finest moment
Except senior Execs have publicly disparaged and annoyedTuchel so much that, barring his having no viable options whatsoever, he's going to walk regardless come end of May, whilst Bayern are floundering around trying to get anyone with half a track record or 'potential' to sign-up instead. It wouldn't surprise me if they genuinely Did end up with Ten Hag come June 1st.They’ve twigged that Tuchel is orders of magnitude better at being a football manager so what the hell are they swapping them for
Our squad is better than the current 14th even with injuries. In general your point is correct but that's beside the original point, nearly all our players would be picked by Palace instead of theirs.Why is it so hard for some of you to accept that having an underwhelming squad and a crap manager are not exclusive? Yes our squad is a shambles but that doesn't excuse the absolute shit show ETH is producing week in week out. So yes, while our squad needs an overhaul we absolutely must get rid of EtH as well. Asap.
Jim is too stingyI absolutely loathe these pieces which say a factor in deciding whether to sack him is cost
Why would a club claiming it wants to be the best in the world again decide to keep a manager who they don’t think is good enough purely because of cost?
I don't agree with your take on ETH, but I do agree with your take on Owen and Scholes.You think Michael ‘state the bleeding obvious’ Owen and Paul ‘miserable bastard’ Scholes are good pundits?!
if memory serves, it went downhill after the cup win?It’s depressing that we went toe to toe with a (ok not the best) Barca side just last season and now we look like we’d struggle in the championship. What the feck has happened
That statement makes no sense mate.Our squad has been in decline for 11 years, regardless of the players that make it up.
Remember when Arnie went to the pub and told those lads that our squad had nothing to show for £1bn spent? He then proceeded to sanction the purchases of Onana and Antony, and the loans of Weghorst and Amrabat.
Well 60% of it's been bought in the last 2 years, so maybe we should sack the guy who's been the main driver behind that squad building over that period.We have a real lack of quality and depth which has been exacerbated and exposed by all the injuries this season. Our team really isn’t that good anymore.
It's nuts, you get it every time we have a bad season.This reminds me of a thread on here years ago about how many United players would get into the Wolves team
We're in the late stage looney toon phase now.It's nuts, you get it every time we have a bad season.
I think there has been a plan and a vision it was just a shit one. And I don't think any attempt has been made to get through games and adapt to what's available, we've just plodded on with the same set-up all season regardless of which players are available.Well he’s hardly had the options for too much variation. Most games likely haven’t been approached in line with any sort of plan or vision, they have been approached as individual events to simply fond a way to get through somehow with what we have.
The biggest disappointment from me if I had to pick was that I had looked at our team last season and felt it was obvious that we just needed to improve on Eriksen and Weghorst to give us a real chance. However, Ten Hag’s initial plan seemed to be to tear up all the work from last season and try something new. And then it all went to shit quite quickly anyway with players being missing for long periods and Casemiro not bringing anywhere near the same level this season.
I think a good summer can do a lot here, and I don’t see that we definitely need a change yet.
Well they can't have watched any of our games this season if the rumours were true and they did want him.Do we believe they are stupid enough to base their decision on one game? I doubt it
You miss my point. I was saying the squad is lacking in both depth and quality and has been since Sir Alex left.Come on.
This is exactly why people are highly skeptical of ETH.
(Or: it's one of the reasons.)
He has - seemingly - had much of the same freedom to build a team previous United managers have had.
And he reportedly craved just that freedom - it was a reason why he fancied the gig in the first place.
You can't possibly say with a straight face that he has been hampered by transfers like Antony and Onana when it's bleedin' obvious that he, himself, was the number one factor in bringing those players in.
Weghorst too. Do you think Murtough forced Weghorst on ETH?
There were plenty of shocking performances last season too. Brentford, Liverpool, City spring to mind. But because we won the league cup (after a very favourable draw), some people think last season was a brilliant one.Yeah about 9 months of them.
So are they going to just tell everyone no more poor performances and results then?
It feels like some desperate last attempt to defend an obviously failing manager.We're in the late stage looney toon phase now.
If it’s Southgate I’m done. I’ll have zero motivation or enthusiasm to switch the TV on when his United are playing.
I’d give Ten Hag another 10 years over that chancer.I thought those silly Southgate links were dead now
Shite source thankfully
Fully Ten Hag In if Southgate is who they go for. I’d take a season of 4-0 defeats and relegation to avoid Southgate as manager