I'd like to sum up my feelings with a song:
He plays on the wing
But mostly up front
feck off Ronaldo
You Portugese cnut
Didn't catch on against Boro though did it
I'd like to sum up my feelings with a song:
He plays on the wing
But mostly up front
feck off Ronaldo
You Portugese cnut
Again, how did I make your point?...has Spoons made FS's point...
Like this:
What happens if the fans are (or think they are) the club?
Answer= NUFC.
Would you like to be as much of a joke as Newcastle?
Well people are forever telling us that the modern crowd is mostly a theatre-going type - as opposed to a coin-throwing, rioting, vandalising one - we are supposed to prefer the latter possibly?Do you really think united would attact 75,000 from the theatre set?
Does your average theatre-goer like football?
I think they would be more inclined to go to a rugby, horse polo, cricket, etc.
Hmmmmm the theatre of dreams. I'm getting worried now.
Firstly, not sure if I'm an average joe but would love his working hours.......I'm not comfortable with comparing a footballers employment with that of an average joe working monday-friday 9 till 5.
I very much doubt the situation was objectively portrayed though!I'm not to sure about that...
https://www.redcafe.net/f32/glazer-watching-united-bit-dangerous-221520/
That believing fans 'are' the club is deluded and undesirable.Again, how did I make your point?
No, I pointed out they were the club. If anything the situation at NUFC has proven that.That believing fans 'are' the club is deluded and undesirable.
As evidenced by NUFC.
Look what a mess that has produced - luckily not all clubs are like that!No, I pointed out they were the club. If anything the situation at NUFC has proven that.
Yes, but the fans are the heart and soul of the club. That's the point.Look what a mess that has produced - luckily not all clubs are like that!
More likely it shows the gulf between theatre and football. Leaving aside the nonciness of a bloke thinking about shopping at all, I suggest that if you are not concentrating on the job in hand when Yakubu or Vidic are bearing down on you, then you are in serious trouble.I rememeber reading an interview with a famous stage actor when he was asked about how he manged the intensity of his performance every single night.
He replied that even during the most dramatically-relevant scenes, he often found himself thinking about his grocery shopping list as he performed his lines.
Kinda takes the romanticism away from it all, but also reflects that players and fans approach this matter from viewpoints that are more than 180 degrees opposite...were that possible.
Nope - see above - they just like to think they are.Yes, but the fans are the heart and soul of the club. That's the point.
And save your energy for that idiot of a poster in the General.
Might nick that a couple of times to wind up the fanboys on here.I'd like to sum up my feelings with a song:
He plays on the wing
But mostly up front
feck off Ronaldo
You Portugese cnut
But they are, whether the outcome has been great or not.Nope - see above - they just like to think they are.
All they have managed to do for Newcastle is screw the club up even more - not quite the 'heart & soul' I'd be looking for.
Fans' identification with the club is a comforting myth for them - f*ck all to do with reality though.
Yet theatre is more beneficial to society than football - unfortunately too many ignorant c*nts like to portray it as 'the sort of thing liked by nonces' - to the detriment of society generally.More likely it shows the gulf between theatre and football. Leaving aside the nonciness of a bloke thinking about shopping at all, I suggest that if you are not concentrating on the job in hand when Yakubu or Vidic are bearing down on you, then you are in serious trouble.
Yet theatre is more beneficial to society than football - unfortunately too many ignorant c*nts like to portray it as 'the sort of thing liked by nonces' - to the detriment of society generally.
Nope - they are a cancer that likes to portray themselves as 'heart & soul'.But they are, whether the outcome has been great or not.
The fans are the heart and soul of the club.Nope - they are a cancer that likes to portray themselves as 'heart & soul'.
The club has not been strong enough to fight off the invasion.
I do not want this to happen to Utd.
Theatre is as dead as mutton, completely superseded by film and kept in play by working class subsidies to an elitist and largely incompetent cast.Yet theatre is more beneficial to society than football - unfortunately too many ignorant c*nts like to portray it as 'the sort of thing liked by nonces' - to the detriment of society generally.
Catharsis has its place - but portrayals of societal issues and their resolution or consequences are more important.Football = catharsis. Great for society.
They are not the 'heart and soul' they are the disease that is killing it.The fans are the heart and soul of the club.
NUFC proved that.
Pity that film is so entirely incapable of providing any useful insights then isn't it!Theatre is as dead as mutton, completely superseded by film and kept in play by working class subsidies to an elitist and largely incompetent cast.
No, they are the heart and soul. Whether the outcome has been good or not, won't change that fact.They are not the 'heart and soul' they are the disease that is killing it.
Well done.Pity that film is so entirely incapable of providing any useful insights then isn't it!
We don't train people to write intelligible sentences it would appear. What the feck's that supposed to mean? You've now managed to suggest that you have little understanding of the two biggest popular cultural forms on the planet. Stick to opera mate.Pity that film is so entirely incapable of providing any useful insights then isn't it!
Like I said...
we no longer train people to be able to understand such issues as embedded in live performance.
Do you even enjoy football FS?
You are either being disingenuous or you are entirely failing to get this.No, they are the heart and soul. Whether the outcome has been good or not, won't change that fact.
And what would a club be like without any fans whatsoever?
I think you've failed to grasp the point. So, Seagulls, what'd happen to a club if it had no fans whatsover?You are either being disingenuous or you are entirely failing to get this.
Rather than seeing NUFC as a club whose 'heart and soul' are the fans - I propose a more realistic scenario...
NUFC - the players - the owners and the managerial staff are just that - the club.
However, another group, consisting of neanderthal boneheads, are capable of exerting a lot of influence over the club. If they keep up the metaphorical equivalent of hitting everyone over the head with a large sledgehammer then they can bully a club in such a weak position into major concessions.
Despite their influence they cannot be seen as the 'life & soul' of the club. Were the club stronger, as many are, then they could be ignored or dealt with.
At NUFC (and we hope nowhere else) such a group can impose their external demands on the club - this does not actually make them the club - nor make their decisions worthy - nor should it encourage other clubs to behave like this.
The fans are not the 'heart & soul' of any club - we should resist attempts for them to become so without serious safeguards.
feck me that's the world turned upside down.You are either being disingenuous or you are entirely failing to get this.
Rather than seeing NUFC as a club whose 'heart and soul' are the fans - I propose a more realistic scenario...
NUFC - the players - the owners and the managerial staff are just that - the club.
However, another group, consisting of neanderthal boneheads, are capable of exerting a lot of influence over the club. If they keep up the metaphorical equivalent of hitting everyone over the head with a large sledgehammer then they can bully a club in such a weak position into major concessions.
Despite their influence they cannot be seen as the 'life & soul' of the club. Were the club stronger, as many are, then they could be ignored or dealt with.
At NUFC (and we hope nowhere else) such a group can impose their external demands on the club - this does not actually make them the club - nor make their decisions worthy - nor should it encourage other clubs to behave like this.
The fans are not the 'heart & soul' of any club - we should resist attempts for them to become so without serious safeguards.
We fail to train people to understand how relevant societal issues are portrayed in different types of live (as opposed to recorded and edited) performances - not that difficult really.We don't train people to write intelligible sentences it would appear. What the feck's that supposed to mean? You've now managed to suggest that you have little understanding of the two biggest popular cultural forms on the planet. Stick to opera mate.
Hollywood is hardly at the pinnacle of film making, it's a kin to pop music.We fail to train people to understand how relevant societal issues are portrayed in different types of live (as opposed to recorded and edited) performances - not that difficult really.
I have a considerable understanding of different media - and I'm fully aware of the inaccurate compromises and over-simplification routinely used to help the story flow. So it's inaccurate garbage mostly - especially when you consider it's only made for entertainment with no concern as to accuracy.
Hollywood versions become pseudo-fact to an audience inacapable and uninterested in being able to tell a shoelace from a grass-snake.
I understand it - I have no respect for the majority of it.
In what context? Lower league? Occasional games?I think you've failed to grasp the point. So, Seagulls, what'd happen to a club if it had no fans whatsover?
Yet uncritical audiences - like stupid football fans - take things as presented - without bothering to inquire about the facts behind the case.Hollywood is hardly at the pinnacle of film making, it's a kin to pop music.
I probably wouldn't enjoy yours tbh.You're depressing FeedingSeagulls, it seems like you don't even enjoy life.
Most people have grown up with a plurality of media and many have even studied it formally and are very aware of the implicit ironies. You on the other hand often seemed mired in a pre-lapsarian fluffy bunny world of your own.We fail to train people to understand how relevant societal issues are portrayed in different types of live (as opposed to recorded and edited) performances - not that difficult really.
I have a considerable understanding of different media - and I'm fully aware of the inaccurate compromises and over-simplification routinely used to help the story flow. So it's inaccurate garbage mostly - especially when you consider it's only made for entertainment with no concern as to accuracy.
Hollywood versions become pseudo-fact to an audience inacapable and uninterested in being able to tell a shoelace from a grass-snake.
I understand it - I have no respect for the majority of it.
You have an addiction to declaring victory for yourselfThat's 2 guys in the strettie actually - just over the wall from me in the North.
That's the first inaccuracy.
My second point was based on the North - but showed pro-Ronaldo fans singing the whole game. Your 2nd inaccuracy was to ignore that.
Between them your arguments are pretty much torn apart.
You 'failed entirely' to show anything that Ronaldo did that was wrong.
You 'failed entirely' to show that it was JCL's/fanboys etc. only who welcomed him back. I questioned it at the time and also suggested it was based on a 'top red' (real supporters shouldn't act like that) tendency.
Oh look - not only was I right - but your assertion as to the motivations of Ronaldo-welcomers was as flawed as I suggested as well.