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I loved him when he joined, I don’t like him now.
Even if you said that was serious post, I would have said that was more sensible post than the pile of shit you posted in this thread.
There are few who don't like the player but can see what he brings to the team and where he lacks, and then there are posters like you, who just post nonsense and can't even rate a player just because you don't like the player.
Of course it's a small sample size, does that change anything? No. It shows Pogba has won possession more than others in the league.
He could, but maybe you would risk losing part of his biggest strengths?
Nothing is guaranteed in football. Not sure that was your original point, the first one I remember is your saying team is built around Pogba which is not true at all.
Can't wait to replace him with Longstaff.
Wouldn’t count on him being replaced by the clowns in charge but he’s going regardless. It’s all about the money.
So fans are not even sure he will be replaced but still want him gone.
I want him gone because he wants to go, is that hard to understand?
Yes, very hard to understand. Did you feel same way about De Gea, Ronaldo, Rooney and many more players? If that's the case then fair enough.
If any players wants to go then yes, if they change their mind then no. Do you think Pogba is going to change his mind?
Well, I disagree that the current team isn't built around Pogba. He is far more productive for United (since Ole) than he is for France which suggests that he is way more central to how we attack than he is to France.
Pogba has never delivered to their standards or consistency. What a daft comparison.I don't know. De Gea was so close to exit and the swapped player was already at airport. I though he will be gone for sure and then he stayed.
I thought to add 'without comparing their contribution' but then assumed it's obvious I was comparing the situation not the quality of players or their contribution.
With his gimp brothers latest comments that he is already talking to Spanish players about next season and the fact we are more than likely not going to be playing champions league football I doubt it and I think we will see plenty more crap from his camp before the season is out.
How is it built around Pogba when his best attribute is attacking but he is playing in deeper role?
Well then it's a completely stupid comparison. Two club legends, i don't think anybody wanted them gone. Especially Rooney in his prime. It's not even comparable, probably more comparable to Di Maria.
It's stupid comparison for people who are stupid enough not to read the posts and context, won't be surprised if you always fall in that criteria.
I've read through twice now and there is no context misunderstanding. You threw out three names of players that have been our best players consisntently over the last 10 years +. Wanting any of them gone, especially Rooney and Ronaldo was a much harder stance to take because they were that good. Wanting Pogba gone, when he barely strings together 2 good games, is a million miles away.
fecking hell, poster made a very straight forward post saying "I want him gone because he wants to go, is that hard to understand?" Those are the obvious examples to test how true he was to those words. What's the point of asking "so you wanted Di Maria gone" when every tom dick harry wanted him gone.
I don't think Pogba is a good defensive player at all, he has the physical attributes but it's not natural to him. I agree with you that the stats are not in depth enough. The conundrum is, Pogba is a similar profile of player to De Bruyne, Eriksen, Maddison etc, but due to our circumstances, he's playing much, much deeper than those, like a defensive midfielder. It's a tough one to analyse fairly isn't it?
I think you put it in much better way. Those stats answers the misconception that he isn't going defensive work.
At the highest level, where attackers with the sharpest thinking reign supreme, Pogba is the very last person i would want in a defensive midfield. It's absurd really.
Which has nothing to do with Pogba but the fact that Mbappé doesn't defend at all on the right side. With Matuidi the midfield can completely slide to the right and means that Pavard isn't alone all the time.At the highest level, where attackers with the sharpest thinking reign supreme, Pogba is the very last person i would want in a defensive midfield. It's absurd really.
Even for France, when he played in a 2 with Kante, they still had Matuidi to add protection when out of possession.
Where he played for Juve & us when Ole first came in are his best positions, i agree. He can even play in a 2 similar to France's setup if it's well balanced. He can still chip in defensively of course but it doesn't take away from his main focus.
Ah okay. So Matuidi's role, even if it was originally to compensate for Mbappé, had nothing to do with Pogba's lack of defensive anticipation being exposed in a midfield 2? Is that a misconception by me?
Yeah, Matuidi's or Sissoko's(Euro 2016) roles had nothing to do with Pogba, in the end it helps everyone Pogba included but the reason behind that system was to compensate for weak points in wide areas, at the Euro it was the RB position with either Jallet or Sagna and after that due to Mbappé who doesn't defend and also happens to be the most attacking player in the team. Pogba is a lot less attacking for France and while he has clear defensive flaws, he isn't a liability defensively.
I'm amazed that you accuse me of bias when you have claimed that the headline (which seeks to highlight the tone of the article) doesn't matter, what it says in the article doesn't matter, all that matters is that Pogba has picked up more loose balls than anyone else in the PL in the first four games this season. Sorry but that stat doesn't impress me at all, it's a long way from being 'incredible'. It's pretty much useless with such a small sample. If you said an Englishman such as Rice had done similar it wouldn't impress me all that much either. That Lewis Dunk is up there it doesn't mean anything to me. I think its one of the less impressive stats and more reflective of the position the player plays in, given all the players mentioned play in the same part of the pitch where attacks break down so the ball comes loose more. For a DLP I'd speculate that other players would leave the recoveries to him because he is the one to get the play going by definition of their position. If he tops that stat for the season then sure you can claim that he has that extra bit of anticipation to get the ball but recoveries are not what Pogba is going to be judged on.
I think the big problem people have with Pogba in that position is his dawdling on the ball and how he gets dispossessed easily after engaging in pointless strength battles. I agree generally though in that he should not be playing that position for us. I wish we had a Jorginho too. In fact, I'd like us to get rid of Pogba and get a proper DLP (like Jorginho) in and bring in someone like Fernandes who could replace his attacking output.
That makes a lot of sense and clears it up. Thank you.
It's a fair criticism that i generally agree with, I wish he would cut that out too. Like @JPRouve highlighted above though, he is a lot less attacking for France, so maybe it's a consequence of our over reliance on him?
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Glad he wasn’t on the pitch
Jesus I hate our fans.
Jesus wouldn’t come here
Pathetic.
Well we do seem to win more when he isn’t actually playing.
Are you sure about that?
Well I can think of a few off the top of my head, planet football have as higher points per game without him as well.
