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Yes I do , I was shocked when they did not pit under the SC, same with Lewis.
Yeah, was really surprising. Things like that I feel like RB are always spot on with to gain little advantages.
 

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Yeah, was really surprising. Things like that I feel like RB are always spot on with to gain little advantages.
It has always seemed that RB pit crew have that edge on operations and reacting to unforseen events. Although SC on this track should have been very much forseen.
 

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It has always seemed that RB pit crew have that edge on operations and reacting to unforseen events. Although SC on this track should have been very much forseen.
Russell said he was staying out incase there was a VSC or SC.
Last season , Lewis would have been straight in for soft and gone hammer time, maybe he thinks why bother I cant catch either Red Bull or Ferrari and he knew Russell would take him.
 

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now that was f1. the sound bites, the celebrities, the fact that god himself wanted people on the grid walk rather than just sponsors for once. the racing didn’t matter, after all, after last year we knew it didn’t matter. why watch any overtakes when you can watch a close up of some yachts in plastic water? why bother with any wheel to wheel racing when cars can just go brrrrrrr in endless loops until we all die of cholesterol induced heart attacks. there was no point watching leclerc getting close to verstappen, he didn’t pass him any way, so why bother showing any of it. not when you can show a car in clean air, driving around a nondescript bit of the track that all looks the same.

you had to have a heart of stone to not well up as you sat and sipped a big gulp, yelling a breathy ‘merica as a sea of camera phones watched on from the stands. the whole spectacle was as american as shooting up a school.

i bet none of you can even remember who won the race. it just wasn’t important. what was important was martin brundle throwing himself into it whole hog and going full middle aged american white man and confusing two black sports stars because they all look the same. what was important was all the people being there having feck all interest in f1. it was just a day out for the ‘gram with loud noises. i’m a convert. now excuse me, i have some important work to attend to. i’m off to impregnate a realtive and picket line her abortion.
 

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Agree Max is having a great season personally, only to be let down by reliability issues. Don't know which car is better between the RB and the Ferrari though. RB is definitely quicker on the straights but the Ferrari is faster through the corners, looks more stable/easier to drive and obviously has been more reliable. I think the Ferrari was the best car at first but then RB introduced some upgrades which have given them a slight edge. Upgrades will be crucial this season so it will be interesting to see what Ferrari come up with to fix their straight line speed. That's really the only problem they have with the car right now. If they manage to fix that they've got a championship winning car on their hands for sure. Either way it's been a great fight between Max and Leclerc and so far I'm really enjoying this season.
It seems like some of the iteration RB has done has made up a big chunk of the acceleration differential Ferrari were displaying to start with. I know Max was still losing time to Leclerc on a couple of the corners in qualifying, but that difference seemed pretty non-existent during the race itself.

That said would expect Ferrari to be favoured at Barcelona given it's a high downforce track. Agreed that the battle so far has been great - a lot of hard but fair racing.
 

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I'm probably losing my cynicism but I thought it was a bit of fun and enjoyed the race albeit highlights and it was very much a Florida thing.

With so many dull state paid venues added in recent years this was a breath of fresh air, packed with people enjoying themselves embracing F1.
 

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I'm probably losing my cynicism but I thought it was a bit of fun and enjoyed the race albeit highlights and it was very much a Florida thing.

With so many dull state paid venues added in recent years this was a breath of fresh air, packed with people enjoying themselves embracing F1.
I think they over did it with the celebrities, could do without making such a big deal that they were there. Nice that they want to come and be part of it, but we don't really care if DJ Khalid or Will I am is there etc.

As for the race it went better than I expected. Shame Leclerc couldn't give Verstappen more of a fight. The midfield battle was pretty good for the most part.

Surprisingly only 1 safety car, I was expecting at least 2/3.
 

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Albon is having a fantastic season so far. After his pretty torrid time in the RB, it's great to see.

He seems like a really nice guy too.
 

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i think Ferrari and Mercedes botched up by not bringing in Le Clerc and Hamilton. Honestly, when it comes to strategy and reactions, Red Bull really are miles ahead. Even Horner, the guy I dislike most in F1, seems to genuinely mean it when he deflects questions like “it’s looking great for Max” by saying “oh but anything can happen so we plan”. I can’t really recall a time recently where RB have been off the mark on strategy. So when he says that shit, I kinda do believe him that they probably have strategists who’ve considered all scenarios and are ready to be called upon as needed.

Max is driving really well. I do think RB has the best car - in todays world where you don’t need to be excellent in the corners but instead have a fast car in a straight line with DRS to make overtakes, it’s a stronger race position to be in - even if the car isn’t outright faster than the Ferrari on a single lap qualifying run. There are tracks that will suit Ferrari, but unless they sort their power, evidence has shown that Max has won all the races he’s finished. Yes, because he is driving well, but also yes because fundamentally the strengths of his car are more important to win races than those of the Ferrari.
 

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i think Ferrari and Mercedes botched up by not bringing in Le Clerc and Hamilton. Honestly, when it comes to strategy and reactions, Red Bull really are miles ahead. Even Horner, the guy I dislike most in F1, seems to genuinely mean it when he deflects questions like “it’s looking great for Max” by saying “oh but anything can happen so we plan”. I can’t really recall a time recently where RB have been off the mark on strategy. So when he says that shit, I kinda do believe him that they probably have strategists who’ve considered all scenarios and are ready to be called upon as needed.

Max is driving really well. I do think RB has the best car - in todays world where you don’t need to be excellent in the corners but instead have a fast car in a straight line with DRS to make overtakes, it’s a stronger race position to be in - even if the car isn’t outright faster than the Ferrari on a single lap qualifying run. There are tracks that will suit Ferrari, but unless they sort their power, evidence has shown that Max has won all the races he’s finished. Yes, because he is driving well, but also yes because fundamentally the strengths of his car are more important to win races than those of the Ferrari.
Less than a third of the way through - le clerk has a points advantage and RB by a small margin probably the best car at the moment.

A lot will come down to how they develop the cars from here and of course though Merc seem a margin off both RB and Ferrari its certainly possible to envisage scenario where by the back end of the season they are in position to be fighting at the front which could make a big impact to le clerk and max.

Id make max slight favourite mainly because I think RB will massively prioritise max and his race strategy using perez where they can more than Ferrari will for now but honestly I think the development from here is going to be key ... I'm not sure how much extra wind tunnel and CDF time Ferrari get over RB but potentially that could favour Ferrari
 

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Less than a third of the way through - le clerk has a points advantage and RB by a small margin probably the best car at the moment.

A lot will come down to how they develop the cars from here and of course though Merc seem a margin off both RB and Ferrari its certainly possible to envisage scenario where by the back end of the season they are in position to be fighting at the front which could make a big impact to le clerk and max.

Id make max slight favourite mainly because I think RB will massively prioritise max and his race strategy using perez where they can more than Ferrari will for now but honestly I think the development from here is going to be key ... I'm not sure how much extra wind tunnel and CDF time Ferrari get over RB but potentially that could favour Ferrari
Oh for sure. This season is quite different because in the last few years, development was largely smallish tweaks to focus on specific issues. This year there is lots of potential pace in things teams simply didn’t know about. Both the extent of and impact of development this year could be significant, in comparison to previous years. It very much is a race in the factory as much as a race on the track.

But please stop calling him Le Clerk :lol:
 

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The way Ferrari and RB are now is the same RB and Merc were last season.

Ferrari are faster in quali and better in the corners, like RB last season. RB has better race pace and straight line speed, like Merc last season.

Which probably means that, just as RB were last season, Ferrari should be the dominant force in Monaco and Baku.
 

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Less than a third of the way through - le clerk has a points advantage and RB by a small margin probably the best car at the moment.

A lot will come down to how they develop the cars from here and of course though Merc seem a margin off both RB and Ferrari its certainly possible to envisage scenario where by the back end of the season they are in position to be fighting at the front which could make a big impact to le clerk and max.

Id make max slight favourite mainly because I think RB will massively prioritise max and his race strategy using perez where they can more than Ferrari will for now but honestly I think the development from here is going to be key ... I'm not sure how much extra wind tunnel and CDF time Ferrari get over RB but potentially that could favour Ferrari
Ferrari have yet to bring any real upgrades to the car since the start of the year. There are still 18 races to go. Bringing the maximum top speed of the ferrari upto the RBs is key for leclerc's chances this year. Currently the straight line speed advantage that RB has is influencing the race dramatically.

Be interesting to see what happens in spain, the straight should be long enough for the RB cars to use their speed advantage but for the rest of the lap id expect the ferrari to dominate. However max will probably win.

Weekend after that its Monaco, where the RB speed advantage is negated. Ferrari will be favourites for that and Mercedes should be very strong as the W13 is best on the grid in low speed corners. So probably a leclerc win.

Then we are onto Baku, super long straights, if ferrari havent done something about their top speed then max will probably finish ahead of leclerc.

Its Canada and British GPs after that. If ferrai dont fix the v-max issue or get leclerc parity on v-max speed before Baku i can see max sauntering off in the distance before the summer F1 break.

Ferrari have to respond and soon.
 

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I think they should add more cars. 40 cars on the grid, 4 per team. Win the drivers championship, add 2 cars to that team. Win the constructers, same thing. And the teams should be subdivided more - Mercedes should have 6 cars on the grid this year, but with each car hired out to a different race team.

There's no interest in it for me any more. Who's going to win the F1 this year?? Answer - one of two people. Occasionally it might be one of three. Why not one of fifteen? Sure, the tracks would be more crowded - good. Maybe it'd encourage some less bland track designs too.

I dunno, I'd just change the whole way the "sport" works... It's never going to be a single make series which will always produce close racing...so put more drivers in the same car and let them race.
 

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I think they should add more cars. 40 cars on the grid, 4 per team. Win the drivers championship, add 2 cars to that team. Win the constructers, same thing. And the teams should be subdivided more - Mercedes should have 6 cars on the grid this year, but with each car hired out to a different race team.

There's no interest in it for me any more. Who's going to win the F1 this year?? Answer - one of two people. Occasionally it might be one of three. Why not one of fifteen? Sure, the tracks would be more crowded - good. Maybe it'd encourage some less bland track designs too.

I dunno, I'd just change the whole way the "sport" works... It's never going to be a single make series which will always produce close racing...so put more drivers in the same car and let them race.
Brilliant ideas. They may also add a switchover to bikes at midrace. Will show who is the more complete racer.
 

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Brilliant ideas. They may also add a switchover to bikes at midrace. Will show who is the more complete racer.
i’d happily watch a triaf1lon, the drivers start with a swim across the miami marina, followed 30 laps in a car and then 30 laps on a bike.
 

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The way Ferrari and RB are now is the same RB and Merc were last season.

Ferrari are faster in quali and better in the corners, like RB last season. RB has better race pace and straight line speed, like Merc last season.

Which probably means that, just as RB were last season, Ferrari should be the dominant force in Monaco and Baku.
Monaco maybe, Baku?! not a chance. If the current cars go there RB sail away comfortably.

Mercedes have a great chance at Monaco considering it's not high speed at all so little worry of purpoising.
 

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I've been saying for a while now the F1 races should have rally stages.
 

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Monaco maybe, Baku?! not a chance. If the current cars go there RB sail away comfortably.

Mercedes have a great chance at Monaco considering it's not high speed at all so little worry of purpoising.
People thought last season that Merc would be stronger in Baku than Monaco but track position is still so strong there. The straight is enormous but there's only one of them. Like we saw both in Miami and in Jeddah, even with the RB's 10kph advantage, the Ferrari is so strong out of slow speed corners it needed two straights one after the other for Max to be able to pass.

So if Leclerc is on pole in Baku I think he'll have an easier job keeping hold of first.
 

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I think they should add more cars. 40 cars on the grid, 4 per team. Win the drivers championship, add 2 cars to that team. Win the constructers, same thing. And the teams should be subdivided more - Mercedes should have 6 cars on the grid this year, but with each car hired out to a different race team.

There's no interest in it for me any more. Who's going to win the F1 this year?? Answer - one of two people. Occasionally it might be one of three. Why not one of fifteen? Sure, the tracks would be more crowded - good. Maybe it'd encourage some less bland track designs too.

I dunno, I'd just change the whole way the "sport" works... It's never going to be a single make series which will always produce close racing...so put more drivers in the same car and let them race.
:lol:
Go the whole hog and have a mid race show
 

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People thought last season that Merc would be stronger in Baku than Monaco but track position is still so strong there. The straight is enormous but there's only one of them. Like we saw both in Miami and in Jeddah, even with the RB's 10kph advantage, the Ferrari is so strong out of slow speed corners it needed two straights one after the other for Max to be able to pass.

So if Leclerc is on pole in Baku I think he'll have an easier job keeping hold of first.
Red Bull always had a traction advantage, and lets not forget the cars are very different this season. Before the Merc would struggle to stick to the RB through sector 2, this year shouldn't be as much of an issue. DRS seems stronger than ever this year.

We will see how it plays out anyway.
 

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People thought last season that Merc would be stronger in Baku than Monaco but track position is still so strong there. The straight is enormous but there's only one of them. Like we saw both in Miami and in Jeddah, even with the RB's 10kph advantage, the Ferrari is so strong out of slow speed corners it needed two straights one after the other for Max to be able to pass.

So if Leclerc is on pole in Baku I think he'll have an easier job keeping hold of first.
There are two long straights in baku
 

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i’d happily watch a triaf1lon, the drivers start with a swim across the miami marina, followed 30 laps in a car and then 30 laps on a bike.
During the half race shows it is announced that Yuki Tsunoda has been transferred to Williams. Then he proceeds to ride Serena Williams like a pony to a podium finish.
 

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I think they should add more cars. 40 cars on the grid, 4 per team. Win the drivers championship, add 2 cars to that team. Win the constructers, same thing. And the teams should be subdivided more - Mercedes should have 6 cars on the grid this year, but with each car hired out to a different race team.

There's no interest in it for me any more. Who's going to win the F1 this year?? Answer - one of two people. Occasionally it might be one of three. Why not one of fifteen? Sure, the tracks would be more crowded - good. Maybe it'd encourage some less bland track designs too.

I dunno, I'd just change the whole way the "sport" works... It's never going to be a single make series which will always produce close racing...so put more drivers in the same car and let them race.
look we all know the correct answer is loopdy loops and turtle shells
 

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now that was f1. the sound bites, the celebrities, the fact that god himself wanted people on the grid walk rather than just sponsors for once. the racing didn’t matter, after all, after last year we knew it didn’t matter. why watch any overtakes when you can watch a close up of some yachts in plastic water? why bother with any wheel to wheel racing when cars can just go brrrrrrr in endless loops until we all die of cholesterol induced heart attacks. there was no point watching leclerc getting close to verstappen, he didn’t pass him any way, so why bother showing any of it. not when you can show a car in clean air, driving around a nondescript bit of the track that all looks the same.

you had to have a heart of stone to not well up as you sat and sipped a big gulp, yelling a breathy ‘merica as a sea of camera phones watched on from the stands. the whole spectacle was as american as shooting up a school.

i bet none of you can even remember who won the race. it just wasn’t important. what was important was martin brundle throwing himself into it whole hog and going full middle aged american white man and confusing two black sports stars because they all look the same. what was important was all the people being there having feck all interest in f1. it was just a day out for the ‘gram with loud noises. i’m a convert. now excuse me, i have some important work to attend to. i’m off to impregnate a realtive and picket line her abortion.
:lol:

Exactly my thoughts. It was F1 in some kind of post apocalyptic hell.
 

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Miami was just dreadful, did not like the track, the bad interviews at the end, the NFL helmets, Police escort to the podium, was just pure trash.
I thought the race was decent after the safety car, no much happened before that.
They was plenty of mid field action, not that we saw much of it.
We have this track for 10 years, hopefully next year they will do it better.
The race result was expected, Red Bull and Max are unstoppable , if the car is reliable and it was for the race.
Leclerc nearly got him towards the end, but the speed of the Red Bull was the difference in the end.
Carlos and Perez fight for 3rd was good, Perez nearly nicked it.
Russell getting 5th in front of Lewis again, some say he was lucky again with safety cars, why did ;Lewis not pit under the SC, if he had come in for soft, he would have had 5th maybe even a 4th.
Spain next, wonder who will bring upgrades, will Mercedes have learnt anything from Miami ? their pace in FP was decent, qualifying and race no so good.
Pretty accurate summary.
Not a fan of the 'razamataz', but with so many competing sports in the US, they all try to out do eachother.
Anyway. Max is driving very well at the moment and Leclerc is not providing stiff enough opposition. Not sure if he is scared of Max or is not as much of a risk taker.
Bit disappointed in Mercedes in general.
Not only is the car uncompetitive, but the team seems to have lost a lot of confidence.
Russell has been performing outstandingly well in such an awful car. While Hamilton clearly hates driving the car.
I just hope the team is beginning to understand how to make the car competitive and soon.
 

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Pretty accurate summary.
Not a fan of the 'razamataz', but with so many competing sports in the US, they all try to out do eachother.
Anyway. Max is driving very well at the moment and Leclerc is not providing stiff enough opposition. Not sure if he is scared of Max or is not as much of a risk taker.
Bit disappointed in Mercedes in general.
Not only is the car uncompetitive, but the team seems to have lost a lot of confidence.
Russell has been performing outstandingly well in such an awful car. While Hamilton clearly hates driving the car.
I just hope the team is beginning to understand how to make the car competitive and soon.
The Merc was good in FP1 and 2, they did something over Friday night, that turned it back to the dog it was, they did say Miami was a experiment, try stuff out and see what happens, if they had not messed about after FP2 who knows.
Russell is getting more out of the car that for sure, Lewis I think is happy to get where ever he can, not pitting for softs during the SC was odd.
Max is on fire right now, not sure if Leclerc lacks that killer win at all costs, that Max has.
 

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It's pretty obvious that Leclerc isn't lacking anything instinct wise, we saw it on full display in the opening races when they had fantastic close racing lap after lap after lap. His car just isn't fast enough in a straight line to catch the Red Bull right now. We saw it over and over at Miami 0.6s, 0.8s, 0.5s, 0.6, 0.8s, 0.5s where he'd catch him in the twisties up to the DRS but then not have the straight line speed to get past him. That one time Max put in the fastest lap of the race and they crossed the DRS line at 1 second and Leclerc got no DRS there was no coming back and Max just extended from there.
 
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It's pretty obvious that Leclerc isn't lacking anything instinct wise, we saw it on full display in the opening races when they had fantastic close racing lap after lap after lap. His car just isn't fast enough in a straight line to catch the Red Bull right now. We saw it over and over at Miami 0.6s, 0.8s, 0.5s, 0.6, 0.8s, 0.5s where he'd catch him in the twisties up to the DRS but then not have the straight line speed to get past him. That one time Max put in the fastest lap of the race and they crossed the DRS line at 1 second and Leclerc got no DRS there was no coming back and Max just extended from there.
Agreed, they just need to reduce the drag on that car or somehow up the powertrain.

Then again, take max out of that RB and put in Alonso or leclerc or Hamilton or Seb and maybe even Russell and they will do just as well. Its a fantastic car this year. Super quick with very little drag. Seb won 4 back to back titles because he had a rocketship of a car that devoured corners.