Exactly. Gibbs White loves that placed shot he always tries it so it was also predictable that he'd go that side too. And as you say, hardly in the corner either.
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 46
- Clean sheets
- 12
- Goals
- 0
- Assists
- 0
- Yellow cards
- 6
XG won't tell you that much there, especially with the 2nd goal.
The amount of shots on target again won't tell you much because you can many different kinds of shots.
Look at the goals conceded, do you think he should be saving them? If no, then it's daft to blame him.
If he saves the 2nd it's probably labelled as a world class save, I don't think we should be putting blame on a keeper for not pulling off that level of save.
Good in the league.... Funniest joke I have heard for ages.
If the ball is not straight at him, he doesn't even move his feet.
And by the way, his distribution is not good either.
Because dumbfukks here keep insisting that Onana’s incredible footwork has improved our buildup play. Now that you can’t argue his shot stopping ability a handful of clowns here keep arguing the same point over and over without a shred of evidence to back it up our buildup play has improved with Onana’s arrival. How many more games do the few holdouts left, like the Japanese soldiers who refused to accept defeat to the Allies, that this modern keeper with incredible footwork has in no way improved our buildup play, our control of midfielder or any other aspect of our overall performance as a side? We’re now getting punked by clubs like Forest who lick their lips at the very thought of facing United, a side managed by a man who brought in Onana, Antony and Mount, none of whom would get anywhere near a top ten side.Every bloody post
As in I don't watch every single goalkeepers every single game... I don't imagine you do either.
I have however watched football for 30 odd years, and I can form on opinion on what shots can and can't be saved.
So have I. And I watch quite a few other teams and games over the weekends and I can tell you there's plenty of saveable shots that go in every week. We can all say what shots we think are saveable and most people will admit that both of those shots today are saveable, every shot on target is saveable and maybe on another day he saves one them. But blaming the keeper for either of them hitting the net is ridiculous.
Nobody is blaming him in this thread though.
We just want higher standards for our goalkeeper, which isn't exactly a bad thing
The first goal wasn’t his fault at all. McTominay pointing at the Forrest player to “could someone come play defense please?” was just odd to watch. I wish he played that bad against us.
The second goal maybe? Gibbs-white is at the center of the box … and had all day. He can’t cheat in a direction, his view is obscured by two of his own players, and the shot is just really well taken.
I can’t see Onana getting blame for the loss certainly.
The second goal maybe? Gibbs-white is at the center of the box … and had all day. He can’t cheat in a direction, his view is obscured by two of his own players, and the shot is just really well taken.
I can’t see Onana getting blame for the loss certainly.
Defence and lack of defensive cover from midfielders is what to look at tonight not the goalkeeper for both goals.
It's pretty clear how it's improved though, his passing is much better than De Gea.
Playing out from the back involves more than just the keeper, if your point was that we'd need to also improve the rest of our play/players then you'd have a point.
Instead your posts in this thread are just you gloating about a "transformational effect" that very few people claimed not materialising, and it's after pretty much every game.
He is though. Stop following football on optajoe and maybe watch some games. I’ve never seen a GK playing at this level to have such a bad shot stopping technique and positioning, but these things, as well as the quality of the shots he has received don’t show up on the stats you use to defend him.
As Neville said during the game, is he even good on the ball? Slows us down before launching it towards forwards that can't take the ball down 90% of the time.
I watch enough to know that he's not as bad as people like to believe. So yeah, if you're to believe what you read on here he saves shots you expect most keepers to save, but he doesn't make saves other keepers make. Yet he's performing better than most of them across the two main 2 metrics measuring saves and shot stopping, behind the defence that has conceded the 6th most shots. So it doesn't really add up.
What do you see as being wrong with his shot stopping technique compared to other keepers? How is he worse than every other keeper you've seen at this level?
So how does he have the 2nd highest save percentage in the league then?
Yep no different than blaming a forward for not scoring a volley into the top corner....
Onana would have to do the same if he doesn't plan on going.
There's nothing to blame the keeper for this match either, two very well taken goals that would have beaten most keepers.
Agreed. The first was a sitter no keeper could have stopped and the second was an exceptional shot on goal.
5 goals away from the big 50 and we are still in December.
None of which are his fault of course
None of which are his fault of course
Yes. Yes I did. I’ve slept since then.
Didn't know that.
Glad to see this soy-boy leave for a couple of weeks. Hopefully benched when he comes back.
While there were some people who went overboard that a keeper would almost single-handedly fix our build-up, most people said that a keeper with good distribution would be one aspect that would improve things. A big one that needed to be made, but not the be-all.
Unfortunately we've gone backwards in pretty much every other aspect. Our build-up in defence is worse due to injuries (Martinez and Shaw are obviously our main two in that regard), our build-up in midfield is worse due to the managers tactics and injuries, our build-up in attack is worse due to both Rashford and Antony being in much worse form than they were last season. So Onana improving the distribution out from the keeper (and he has improved it, albeit he hasn't been as good as I'd have liked) obviously isn't enough to compensate or overcome the drop off in every other area. We'd have seen a bigger difference if we'd stayed at the same level in the other areas, and a bigger difference again if we'd improved those other areas.
A Man United keeper needs to save that second goal. I mean a good keeper. If we treat Onana like Caroll or Howard, then yeah, but the Standard should be higher. We bought him for big money and the second goal was saveable.
i was a big critic of De Gea since 2018, but he saves that, even when not in form. It was nothing special, but Onana makes it look difficult to save. Half the keepers in the league save that. He is a massive disappointment so far.
i was a big critic of De Gea since 2018, but he saves that, even when not in form. It was nothing special, but Onana makes it look difficult to save. Half the keepers in the league save that. He is a massive disappointment so far.
He is too showoffish. Always slow down play uncessarily. Each time the balls goes back to him, he will dally on the ball, look left look right, either make the easy pass or hit a long pass to the opponent.
Exactly. We were told that he was brought to the club because of his distribution. But you are spot on. It is far too slow and not even that effective.
I can take this one on. I'm not a goalkeeping expert by any means but I've played the position all my life, played at a decent level of amateur football and just always been more interested in keepers making great saves than any other aspect of football. Goalkeepers can be weird like that.
My issue with onana is that, at times, he looks like a player that isn't a goalkeeper reluctantly being made to do nets (right down to wanting to make a big show of his ball playing when he does get it to feet). His technique on the basics of goalkeepering really is that poor. I've been banging on here about how so many of his cock-ups are just so unorthodox. It's not just a simple handling error or momentary lapse in concentration conceding silly goals. Often it's this totally unorthodox way he decides to do nets.
I've never seen a keeper so intent on guessing which way a shot is going to be struck and ending up completely wrong. It just looks ridiculous with him falling over before shots are even struck or leaving huge, gaping parts of the net open.
I am yet to see him make a save that has truly surprised me, you know where you think 'how has he saved that?' - he just doesn't make those sort of saves. He just leaves you thankful when he manages to field the simplest of efforts because you are so used to him chucking them in.
Then on to the saves he actually does make; for a keeper so fond of parrying the ball he seems to lack the ability to direct where those parries go. When he does make saves it comes off him at these odd angles, straight up in the air, angled back to the danger area etc. It's just a lottery where it ends up. DDG liked to save shots with his feet more than any keeper I've seen and Onana is the same only with his wrists.
It all comes back to the poor technique, the second FK against Galatasary is the perfect example and the one i will keep bringing up. If you watch his hands closely he has them in a fist the whole time, like his number 1 priority is he's going to slap this ball away somewhere. Then when it ends up as a fairly tame effort coming straight through the crowd at him he's so committed to the slap his still goes for it and manages to do some absurd backwards scoop in to the net.
He is not it and the sooner he can be replaced with a semi competent keeper the better it will be for the club.
Worst keeper probably every to wear the United jersey!
I am told that he has the 2nd best shot stopping in the league. And if that is what the statistics say then fair enough.
But as far as I am concerned, I don't have a great deal of confidence in him.
The first Forest goal was an example of the lack of foot movement.
Any top keeper is on their toes ready to move. Because that is where they get their propulsion from.
But Onana was flat footed and made no attempt to move.
Yes it was a good shot. But his complete lack of movement has to be a concern.
Will be interesting to see how we fare under his forced absence during the AFCON. I wouldn't be surprised if there'd a least be a discussion about who should be in goal, once he returns.
I have low expectations of the Turkish keeper coming in, and I expect he will be pretty poor seen as he was scouted and purchased under the current regime. But I can't stand watching this clown in goal for us anymore. You just expect every shot to go in.
His stats are only really decent because he's so feckign busy in our goal, given how poor we are and the gapping hole in our midfield.
His stats are only really decent because he's so feckign busy in our goal, given how poor we are and the gapping hole in our midfield.
I am not blaming him about anything but is it completely unreasonable to expect a world class save occasionally from the second-best goalkeeper in the league?
We started the season pissed/worried about AFCON ruining our season, now I can’t wait for it just to see somebody else given a chance in goal. I don’t even have high hopes that Bayindir will be any better but a change will be refreshing at least. It’s tiring watching the same crap every match.
Whats van der sar up to these days? Is he available for a loan?
I fear as long as EtH is here it's always going to be Onana, he's staked so much in him I see it being a hill he'll die on.
Which is a real shame because at this point I think even Tom Heaton would be an improvement. Just to see a traditional goalkeeper who has some ability in the traditional skill of goalkeeping instead of this calamity.
Exactly. It's nice to hear from a keeper because I'm not. But to me it's so obvious his fundamentals are all wrong. I can't believe there arnt ex keepers screaming about this. Maybe its too much of an insult. But every keeper must wonder how the fk he got to where he is when his basics are all off.
Passing the ball instead of lumping it isn't much good if the rest of the squad is crap, too.
Good point. Whenever he blunders, it's all "Alisson and other top goalies also blunder". But I've never seen him make the kind of save that we associate with these keepers.
We're just getting all their bugs without any of their features. Great.
Not sure a guy who recently suffered a brain haemorrhage is the right person to use to make your point.
I'm an ex keeper too and I dont think he gets to play for for 4 massive clubs with fundamental falls in his technique as you described because that amounts to conceding goals more so than any other position.
His style like many non-European goalkeepers is different, not as pleasing on the eye. Brazil have two of the best now, but others before them very similar to him stylistically. I think non-European keepers especially the African keepers without generalising, are more explosive in how they keep the ball out the net.
I think whats going on in front of you has a massive impact on your decision making. A steady back four, rather than second guessing what players are doing, you know how the defence reacts to different situations.
I think when you arrive at PL, like every other position but arguable even more as a keeper, he wouldnt have played in a league like this where you are either constant under attack or your watch a team low block then quickly counter attack. We have seen him take up some strange positions when teams counter attack. Certainly wouldnt have faced this many crosses.
More than anything else, I think hes trying too hard to prove he can fill the gloves of DDG. Im sure no one would have thought the skinny white lad from Spain would end up being so great. Onana needs to be given more of a chance than half of a turbulent season of uncertainty in general.
Goalkeepering in this league takes a while to settle whilst you are coming to terms with it. We have a lot of new keepers who are making lots of mistakes. What I like about him is hes mentally strong and doesnt come across like the clubs to big for him.
Patience is needed even if aesthetically hes not as pleasing on the eye as DDG. He doing something right to have the second highest save %, and I think some really top saves are going under the radar. The save against the Villa at 2-1, where his weight was on the other foot, was outstanding. There was a save from a point blank header as well but I cant remember the game?
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