Bluemoon, RAWK, Redcafe. Not really difficult to get taglines on these sites.I feel like someone would have to work decently hard on here to get that.
Television The Traitors (BBC) | If you've not watched it all, beware if you enter this thread as a bunch are talking without using spoilers
- Thread starter CassiusClaymore
- Start date
But I have actually wondered this, I have a feeling Harry would give her a cut of the money
I know Mollie doesn’t think logically , but if she did, maybe she realises now that it’s not as if he had a choice whether to lie to her or not. It was his role in the game to deceive.
That's the worst part for me. She's dumb for not working it out but even dumber for not thinking 'if I'm wrong I can always give him the half he'd have won anyway'.
It was purely a decision on personally controlling the money or risking it with him. Zero reason to have voted Jaz, zero.
I can't watch next season. This show winds me up too much.
Brilliant show once again. Best thing on terrestrial television. Looking forward to season 3 
That was the most predictable ending ever. Mollie letting her heart rule her head - she was totally smitten by Harry and couldn’t bring herself to vote for him, even though deep down she probably knew.
Pure stupidity.
Pure stupidity.
At the end of the day it’s a game and the only match for Harry throughout was Jas, but part of the game is winning everyone’s trust and that’s where he lost
Can’t knock Mollie. It is what it is. Jaz or Harry would have been more than worthy winners.
Always go with your gut.
Always go with your gut.
My take from watching that is simply that she connected with Harry and trusted him.
Jas caused her to doubt herself, but then she decided to side with the person she trusted most of all.
No idea why you bring race into it?
Also, to call her a real born sucker and so easily manipulated in ‘real life’…when she seems to have overcome a hell of a lot more than many people her age have had to do, makes it feel strange that you seem to be so personally against her.
He was by far the best at tasks and so was adding quite a bit to the money to the overall pot. So it makes sense he survives until later in the show. Older people nearly always get removed early for that reason.
I also don’t think he was amazing at getting rid of traitors. He got rid of Paul, but many had their suspicions and he was the only player popular enough to do it.
And without working out the shield ploy, you could easily have assumed all the traitors were dead after Andrew (as having 4 traitors from the start seems excessive) and Harry was the intended target at least once.
She knew Jas was 100% faithful. She just thought there was a significant chance everyone left was faithful and didn’t want to cut Harry out of the prize pot because Jas was overly paranoid.
Imagine if they were all faithful and you cut your best friend on the show out of the money (so he couldn’t quit the army) because of a theory of a bloke who’s been wrong before and you don't really like. Especially as this is coming out so late in the day.
I think it’s a much tougher decision than some are making out.
Agree - it’s so easy watching it and ‘knowing’ what you would do or how you would act…when you don’t have the pressure, or any of the connections and relationships with the people you are trying to analyse.
I think Harry was a fantastic traitor - the best I’ve seen across all the different series I’ve watched.
It’s an interesting perspective that if you’re a faithful you can’t just get rid of Traitors but you have to get rid of bad Faithfuls as well like Mollie
Just started the American one, Dear god they are so annoying
I know what you're saying but it's a completely illogical move considering voting Harry out, if a faithful, would've increased her prize winnings from £33k to £50k which is massive. So she wins either way by voting for Harry. It might have been emotionally tough under stress but it was a really stupid mistake.
Last edited:
Feel genuinely sorry for Jaz, he played the game as best you can as a faithful, getting to the end without being a total idiot like Mollie but not doing so much that you would have a target on your back and get murdered. Deserved some of the prize money
This is an excellent point. Mollie was blinded by her trust in Harry
As a traitor you want people to trust that you are a traitor over everyone else when it gets to the end. You don't let someone who is considered a rock solid faithful get to that point because you're going to struggle to win any battle against them. Harry also played a big role in Miles and Paul going, and was the voice that tipped Ross over the edge.
The fact they killed someone else the night after he was "saved by the shield" is a massive neon sign that he's not a faithful, you don't leave someone around people can consider 100% faithful, he just does not make it that far if he's not a traitor. It doesn't matter how well he does on challenges because the amount of money means nothing if you get caught and banished.
To be honest, for such a successful show, and by all accounts, a rather stressful slog, £100k doesn't feel like much with the current cost of living.
The way they big it up is a bit OTT - "What will a 21 year old do with £95K?!" Don't get me wrong, it is a difference maker, but not by a huge amount
The way they big it up is a bit OTT - "What will a 21 year old do with £95K?!" Don't get me wrong, it is a difference maker, but not by a huge amount
The problem with Mollie is that she never even entertained the idea that Harry could be a traitor. The same would have happened last year if the big girl who won had ignored the guy who pretty much said Wilf's a traitor after being eliminated.
There are a lot of flaws with this show but maybe the biggest one is that it favours contestants who add nothing. Mollie this year and the three winners last year. The only thing that separates them is that the three winners listened when Wilf was outed by a fellow traitor. Jaz kinda cottoned on to this which is why, for the most part, he kept to himself rather than going the Zack route of rallying the troops to catch them.
There needs to be some sort of incentive to actually find the traitors rather than go under the radar and survive because the ones who try the hardest and actually cotton on to stuff just get eliminated bar, again, Jaz who figured out the whole game.
There are a lot of flaws with this show but maybe the biggest one is that it favours contestants who add nothing. Mollie this year and the three winners last year. The only thing that separates them is that the three winners listened when Wilf was outed by a fellow traitor. Jaz kinda cottoned on to this which is why, for the most part, he kept to himself rather than going the Zack route of rallying the troops to catch them.
There needs to be some sort of incentive to actually find the traitors rather than go under the radar and survive because the ones who try the hardest and actually cotton on to stuff just get eliminated bar, again, Jaz who figured out the whole game.
I was thinking there should be a bigger overall prize and maybe it reaches a point where every faithful from then on wins a portion relative to how far they progressed if the faithful win. Same for the traitors. So they could potentially agree to be thrown under the bus in order to benefit the traitor team long term.
The producers would never do that though. The backstabbing and winner takes all thing is too alluring for TV.
Yeah but I love the cast. I am a huge fan of Parvati, Dan, Janelle, Sandra from Survivor and Big BrotherJust started the American one, Dear god they are so annoying
The host is just a joke. I have to skip anytime he is on
Mollie being gullible annoyed me but Jaz really really bottled it. Had the convo with Andrew before the table to get him onside, spoke to Mollie saying listen to what I will say, also brings it up at the table, Andrew BACKS HIM UP, then Jaz votes Andrew out.
Absolutely ridiculous from Jaz.
Yeah he had the chance to make it 2 - 2 knowing Mollie would definitely side with him on Andrew afterwards. Not sure why he didn’t go for that.
Also not sure what they’d have done if it was a tie.
It seemed weird to me too but I think Jaz was 100% sure on Andrew and not fully there on Harry so I guess he was going for the more obvious one first.
Looking back, maybe it’s just me but I don’t quite get why Harry didn’t go red when it was just the three of them left. All he’d have to say is that he felt he could only trust one of them completely (Mollie), and it would be curtains for Jaz. To me, going green seems the riskier play unless you were certain Jaz was going green. Also, given the fact that both he and Mollie talked earlier in the day and voiced reservations about Jaz possibly being a traitor. He’s lucky Mollie couldn’t see the wood for the trees as it may have backfired on him.
Yeah, something that occurred to me watching Uncloaked was Jaz was never really sure about Harry, even when he asked Harry about what Paul said, it wasn't him going on the attack, he was giving Harry a chance to defend himself. I seems he only decided he had to act on those suspicions at the last hurdle.
All that said, what Andrew said to him implicated Harry as well, so he should have been equally convinced on both based on his theory of traitors ousting each other.
I said it during the show, was a missed opportunity that. Trusting Mollie to be sensible against Harry was risky, and I get trying to defend Mollie after the pile on here, but I'm sorry that was peak stupidity. You've known the boy for 2 weeks and you can't physically bring yourself to write his name down despite what your gut is screaming at you and the jeopardy that my guy will leave with all the cash? Honestly...
Votes would be redone again with just Jaz and Mollie voting and if still a tie then it would go to chance, which would still probably end in Andrew going but was Jaz's best shot of getting rid of Harry really.
It is a lot of money for a couple of weeks of filming, but didn't feel like Harry needed it with him already travelling around the world and going on private jets but I don't know how much of that is down to the people he knows (CBBC presenter girlfriend, sister of singer Conor Maynard) than his own financial resources.
it's really annoying me seeing people crying on other forums about how they are disgusted people are pleased someone with the traits Harry showed won and how Mollie is like the victims of romance scams. It's a game show FFS with the opportunity to win 90k. I must be a similarly awful person because each time before a traitor had to go under the bus, I'd be saying that needed to happen. Also you can bet I'd be doing everything I could to win 90k, it's a decent chunk paid off a mortgage and some savings in the bank. He and Mollie were on opposing teams, they couldn't both win. I think he was open to sharing with Andrew but Andrew turned on him first. He was genuinely upset about voting off Johnny, but had to as the others all were. It would have been interesting to see Johnny recruited, but the option wasn't available.
I was getting so frustrated with Mollie, she didn't deserve to win. There were 2 MASSIVE hints at the end and she couldn't take them. Why would Jaz vote to keep going if he was a traitor. Andrew's speech was very in the know almost to the point of outing Harry.
Also do the hand wringers not realise Harry is in the army - surely they get training on compartmentalising and focusing on missions - even on SAS who dares wins the DS allude to how they need to be focused on their missions until it's over. Harry was treating it as a mission he even said at the end he was looking forward to going back to "normal" Harry, his mission was over. You must have to make split decisions in the army, and I expect they're trained on interrogation techniques in case of capture. also they get so little support on leaving the army, I'd be wanting that security in the bank.
I was wanting him to win as he played such a brilliant GAME. I must be a similarly awful person, because if I'm faced at the end with turning on someone I've known for the duration of filming, for a chance of either 90k or nothing, you bet I'm going for the money. It's a game with a decent cash prize. Let's not forget these are normal people not influencers or celebrities (good!!) So the money will mean a lot to them.
Why do people who feel so uncomfortable with it watch it if it's that uncomfortable for them?!
I was getting so frustrated with Mollie, she didn't deserve to win. There were 2 MASSIVE hints at the end and she couldn't take them. Why would Jaz vote to keep going if he was a traitor. Andrew's speech was very in the know almost to the point of outing Harry.
Also do the hand wringers not realise Harry is in the army - surely they get training on compartmentalising and focusing on missions - even on SAS who dares wins the DS allude to how they need to be focused on their missions until it's over. Harry was treating it as a mission he even said at the end he was looking forward to going back to "normal" Harry, his mission was over. You must have to make split decisions in the army, and I expect they're trained on interrogation techniques in case of capture. also they get so little support on leaving the army, I'd be wanting that security in the bank.
I was wanting him to win as he played such a brilliant GAME. I must be a similarly awful person, because if I'm faced at the end with turning on someone I've known for the duration of filming, for a chance of either 90k or nothing, you bet I'm going for the money. It's a game with a decent cash prize. Let's not forget these are normal people not influencers or celebrities (good!!) So the money will mean a lot to them.
Why do people who feel so uncomfortable with it watch it if it's that uncomfortable for them?!
Thick as pig shit that girl is, if she had actually taken a moment to think about everything the logic would say that Harry is a traitor. There wasn't even a shield in play and the traitors killed Zach, who was just annoying as hell and not good at catching traitors, instead of Harry, who had caught multiple. Moron.
There is also 2 Aussie show and an American one with another on the way.
I'd argue that Mollie and other contestants like her contribute plenty to the show. Unfortunately it's not for their own side. They're the pawns that are essential for the traitors to progress.
As a pawn though, your main job is to question your own progression, and that's where Mollie failed at the end.
She literally had no gameplay ... at all. Went with vibes throughout
Why did I just apply for the next series
Page 1 is UK series 1 with no celebrities. Guessing you watched the American version with celebs on.
Original: De Verraders (Netherlands, 3 seasons)
International versions:
Australia - 2 seasons
Belgium (Dutch) - 2 seasons
Belgium (French) - 2 seasons
Canada (English) - 1 season
Denmark - 1 season
Finland - 1 season
France - 2 seasons
Germany - 1 season
Greece - 1 season
Hungary - 1 season
New Zealand - 1 season
Norway - 3 season
Portugal - 1 season
Russia - 1 season
Spain - 1 season
Sweden - 1 season
United Kingdom - 2 seasons
United States - 2 seasons
The US one has the same location and missions as the UK version so if you've watched the US version, the UK version will probably be boring to you.
Hope you and @Schmiznurf make it
The only reason he'd do that is if he thought Jaz would also choose to continue. I don't think he believed they thought another traitor existed. If he ends up being the only one not to end the game then he risks needlessly losing everything. Everyone goes green and he wins without the risk.
If Harry had voted to continue voting at the end he’d have played a good game. Voting to end the game should have signaled to anyone with half a brain that he was the better choice to vote out. Another series with a disappointing ending. The producers just doing what they want with the rules as well makes it completely devoid of any real tactics. Of the two seasons Jaz was the best player they’ve had and ultimately got nothing.
Watching the Aussie second season. I hope that the British show doesn't go down the road of adding celebs.
Was very disappointed with Jaz at the last round table. There was so much more he could've added to that Harry suspicion discussion that didn't get brought up.
Even without the extra stuff, he just let the weak defence by Harry go unchallenged. Paul used the exact same wording that he'd used to Harry. Push him on it.