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Lu Tze

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Still looks ponderous to me (if that's a full sprint) in that goal. Useless player.
 

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Beautiful goal.

Think Ashworth will insist on the new manager running the rule over him before he goes anywhere myself but I’ve been wrong before.
Ah yes and then in 18 months time he can insist on the next new manager do the same thing. Sancho doesn't have the mentality to be a United player.

Do you really want a new manager to waste time with him?

He's had long enough
 

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Ah yes and then in 18 months time he can insist on the next new manager do the same thing. Sancho doesn't have the mentality to be a United player.

Do you really want a new manager to waste time with him?

He's had long enough
I’m saying what I think will happen, what I want is irrelevant. I think people believing he’ll be sold after this spell are kidding themselves.

Removing emotion, Ashworth was behind the scenes with England during the time Sancho came through & we aren’t getting anywhere near £80mil back. He’ll likely be at Carrington on the first day of training next year.

He scored a good goal on the weekend & I suspect he’ll be a United player next season, is all.
 

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I’m saying what I think will happen, what I want is irrelevant. I think people believing he’ll be sold after this spell are kidding themselves.

Removing emotion, Ashworth was behind the scenes with England during the time Sancho came through & we aren’t getting anywhere near £80mil back. He’ll likely be at Carrington on the first day of training next year.

He scored a good goal on the weekend & I suspect he’ll be a United player next season, is all.
No hope of 80mill anyway.
40 or 50 would be good but thats ambitious too
 

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No hope of 80mill anyway.
40 or 50 would be good but thats ambitious too
I agree, which is why I think they’ll press ahead with other outgoings & Ashworth will back himself/the team on this one.

Personally think it’s best to part ways but I can’t see a buyer at any price United would consider unless Ineos basically let him go for free. Even if they do not many could afford the wage.
 

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Yeah she’s my auntie.
I’ve got to be honest mate, your username doesn’t register so I can only apologise for whatever posts I’ve made in the past that have you bringing such ire into a performance thread. My DMs are always open for resolution, otherwise let’s keep to the topic at hand as what your aunt & I get up to in the privacy of her bedroom is not for public consumption.
 

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I’m saying what I think will happen, what I want is irrelevant. I think people believing he’ll be sold after this spell are kidding themselves.

Removing emotion, Ashworth was behind the scenes with England during the time Sancho came through & we aren’t getting anywhere near £80mil back. He’ll likely be at Carrington on the first day of training next year.

He scored a good goal on the weekend & I suspect he’ll be a United player next season, is all.
This is exactly how I see it, as soon as ETH leaves Sancho will be stating how much he loves the club and can’t wait to get a fair crack of the whip?
 

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Ah yes and then in 18 months time he can insist on the next new manager do the same thing. Sancho doesn't have the mentality to be a United player.

Do you really want a new manager to waste time with him?

He's had long enough
Whilst I’m no fan of Sancho frail mentality, if you were in his position and you keep seeing Teacher’s pet continue to get picked over you and stink the place out. Buying Antony was not necessary and at £85m will be the most significant thing ETH tenure is remembered by?

Had we spent the £85 on another quality CF or Elite Number 10 or combination of players, the Sancho debacle may never have happened!
 

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Whilst I’m no fan of Sancho frail mentality, if you were in his position and you keep seeing Teacher’s pet continue to get picked over you and stink the place out. Buying Antony was not necessary and at £85m will be the most significant thing ETH tenure is remembered by?

Had we spent the £85 on another quality CF or Elite Number 10 or combination of players, the Sancho debacle may never have happened!
I'd agree about Antony. Total clusterfugk of a transfer .

Everything else is open to debate. Probably TH is not the right manager for Sancho , id be surprised if he ends up back at United.
 

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I understand why Antony isn't working out (can't really spot a pass forward, good but not amazing at creating the space to shoot with his left, no right foot (contributes to why he has trouble getting a shot off on his left), not strong enough to get on things at the back post, just lacks the one great quality that makes a winger explosive).

Why Sancho isn't a City-style winger slowing things down, retaining the ball under pressure and helping pin teams back when we have the ball and being useful on the counter as a smart passer and fairly decent (say 10 league goals a year) goal-scorer, I have no idea whatsoever.
Because he is meek. Such footballers don’t make it at top teams like City.
 

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Whilst I’m no fan of Sancho frail mentality, if you were in his position and you keep seeing Teacher’s pet continue to get picked over you and stink the place out. Buying Antony was not necessary and at £85m will be the most significant thing ETH tenure is remembered by?

Had we spent the £85 on another quality CF or Elite Number 10 or combination of players, the Sancho debacle may never have happened!
Garnacho has displaced Antony. Or is he a teachers pet too? The difference is that Garnacho wants to compete and is willing to fight for it.
 

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Watched the Dortmund game the other day and Sancho was awful, yet he got a goal and the media etc are back with the narrative that it’s United’s loss. He is a dud and the quicker we get him sold the better.
 

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I’m saying what I think will happen, what I want is irrelevant. I think people believing he’ll be sold after this spell are kidding themselves.

Removing emotion, Ashworth was behind the scenes with England during the time Sancho came through & we aren’t getting anywhere near £80mil back. He’ll likely be at Carrington on the first day of training next year.

He scored a good goal on the weekend & I suspect he’ll be a United player next season, is all.
If anything Ashworth being behind the scenes when Sancho came through at England won't be a positive. He'll likely be very aware of his professionalism issues in the past.
 

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I believe Ashworth is good at his job, judging by his track record thus far, so I can only assume he'll do the necessary thing and try to purge the squad of the weak, unprofessional attitudes that run through it. Sancho is clearly right at the top of this list, and so I have to believe he'll be working to move him on. Without a proper overhaul we'll never stand a chance of getting back to the top.
 

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Enzo was considered one of the players of the tournament and won it, as did Pogba. One world class tournament isn't enough to be considered an all-time great.

The stuff about Pogba at City under Pep is an incredibly weird argument. Who the hell knows what would have happened.
Pogba had 2 world class tournaments though… arguably 3 as he was the golden boy also in a World Cup.

He was the best player for France in the Euros also last time. Pogba was arguably the best player in the full thing even after France got knocked out. He made one slip up against Switzerland and France got knocked out from memory but he was doing things nobody else in the tournament was doing most of the time. A real bright spark.

Pogba isn’t a workhorse / pressing player working for others like Enzo did for Messi.

Pogba was the star man alongside Mbappe and Greizeman. He’s a legit superstar. Enzo is not even remotely that role and he works for other more talented footballers.
 
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If anything Ashworth being behind the scenes when Sancho came through at England won't be a positive. He'll likely be very aware of his professionalism issues in the past.
Yes, those same professionalism issues that saw Sancho play at every age level until being fully capped or do you mean those professionalism issues that Dortmund are on record saying were overstated.

I get it’s en vogue to exaggerate on this board but Sancho isn’t the first player to play computer games or turn up late to training. If those professionalism issues were half as serious as people on here choose to believe he wouldn’t be a. . . footballing professional.

As I said, I don’t see a club coming in to spend the money we’d want on him. That’s all.
 

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Watched the Dortmund game the other day and Sancho was awful, yet he got a goal and the media etc are back with the narrative that it’s United’s loss. He is a dud and the quicker we get him sold the better.
I tend to think fans/media underrated injuries as an issue and overrate mentality/professionalism stuff. Is it possible he's just never really been the same player since multiple injuries?
 

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If Sancho really does not want to come back, he should start sending his agent out to look for a new club that is willing to pay his wage and transfer fee. It's not rocket science. Especially if he is OK to take cut of his wage ask , I'm sure he should still worth 20M and club like West Ham / Villa maybe willing to entertain the deal.

If he is not willing to give up anything financially, then he should suck it up , come back , and learn to cope with the challenge and turn it around with ETH .

This new release is just simply trying to engineer the sack of ETH before he comes back next season, so he can enjoy honeymoon with new manager and continue collecting fat check in his pocket.
 

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Yes, those same professionalism issues that saw Sancho play at every age level until being fully capped or do you mean those professionalism issues that Dortmund are on record saying were overstated.

I get it’s en vogue to exaggerate on this board but Sancho isn’t the first player to play computer games or turn up late to training. If those professionalism issues were half as serious as people on here choose to believe he wouldn’t be a. . . footballing professional.

As I said, I don’t see a club coming in to spend the money we’d want on him. That’s all.
He's not Paul Merson, but he's clearly not a model professional. I would be surprised if someone like Ashworth who's trying to rebuild a club like United choses to start of with some one who's not got a fantastic record of professionalism - overstated or not.

I agree with your last point, think it's likely going to be creative solutions if he is going to leave.
 

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Yes, those same professionalism issues that saw Sancho play at every age level until being fully capped or do you mean those professionalism issues that Dortmund are on record saying were overstated.

I get it’s en vogue to exaggerate on this board but Sancho isn’t the first player to play computer games or turn up late to training. If those professionalism issues were half as serious as people on here choose to believe he wouldn’t be a. . . footballing professional.

As I said, I don’t see a club coming in to spend the money we’d want on him. That’s all.
The money issue is a fair conundrum.

Speaking about exaggeration, I think you exaggerate when you write as if being a professional, i.e. someone who has an activity as a paid job, is the same as being a professional as an elite athlete, which means being more dedicated than a thousand other people with a bit less talent but who would eagerly eat mortar for breakfast and lunch and run through brick walls ten times before supper every day just to surpass you. Wether Sancho has that kind of professionalism, I have serious doubts. We’ve seen many highly talented young lads pass through the youth national teams with aplomb just to lack the extreme hunger and elite professionalism needed to take the last level. One good test of that is usually in how they deal with set backs, challenges etc. Sancho seems to have wiltered in the face of set backs and pointed fingers rather than buckling down. That doesn’t at all make him a bad person, but it’s a good prognosis for an elite professional to sustain and improve his carreer at the highest level of competition for me.

Hope he turns it around and proves me wrong, but I highly doubt the current United is a place that should accomodate too many with those challenges right now.
 

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Hope he does brilliantly so we can offload him in the summer for a decent fee..
 

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Glad to see him doing well at least in the stats over the past couple of games. I still think there's a big chance for him here post Ten Hag.

My view on it is that it was a false start from the beginning. When you sign a player coming off a hot streak, just play them...none of this adaptation etc stuff, just start them. Ole didn't do that with Sancho and then it just never got going.

I actually thought he'd looked good in pre-season in the false 9 and then lo and behold very little game time at the start of the campaign and getting called out whilst we have languid players in Martial and Rashford plus bad attitudes and hot and cold players in Bruno and Antony.
 

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Fantastic strike today.
Good strike, the goalkeepers jump, however, was hilarious. Even when his jump ended, he was nowhere near his post and a shot would still go past. This is the type of Peter Bosz performance that got him sacked quickly ar Dortmund back in the days.