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"According to Brand Finance's 2024 Global Soft Power Index, the UK has retained second place behind the US and has increased its score since 2023."

I gave up digging up info on this Brand Finance lot but before I did I found out that their "secretary" is a guy called David Edward Bickerton HAIGH. This guy also happens to be the "secretary" or director for two dozen other think-tanks, including Royalty Relief Limited (who champion how the Royal Family are Britain's biggest asset), and a bunch of shady groups that don't seem to have anything of note online but appear "dormant" and only have accounts that total £1 according to their public statements on the government website.
 

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saivet said:
The way I see it, I'm not voting for Labour by default, I'm not a Labour member and I never will be a member to any party. I'm not ruling out voting Labour but as it stands I'm leaning against them. For me I'll just look at a combination of the local candidates and what the manifesto's are decide based on that.

I won't vote Tory or any other right wing group but I'll consider all other options. I'm just not going to vote Labour based on greater good concept that they may make things better over the next 10 years, I don't believe in any party that much to be giving them a vote based on that.
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Worth a go just once though, right? What’s the worst that can happen? Can always take it back next time.

Anyone not voting explicitly anti-Tory at the next election is certifiable.
 

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Im sick of the "you should vote for this to not get the other one". The "useful" vote. Is shitty to guilt-trap you to vote for a party/person that doesn't represent and even go against your values and it only propagates the bipartidism that exist in any big western country

Who ever advocates for this are a big part of the problem that we have shitty representatives because they don't feel threatened. They are all part of the establishment and if they win they will be comfortably in the government and if they lose they will be comfortably in the opposition. Never out
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I subscribed to that myself a year or two ago. I knew Starmer wasn't as left leaning as I am or wanted a Labour leader to be, but I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

However, since then there have been so many red lines that he's crossed that I've lost count. He can no longer benefit from the doubts. I'm just not giving his version of Labour my votes. It shouldn't be too idealistic to want to give my vote to a party who oppose genocide and favour peace.
 

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Literally all of this only exists as your gut feeling though. You're constantly in this thread explaining the 4D chess that Starmer is playing, based on nothing but your say so and what a party did decades ago.
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Not strictly true, Starmer is keeping his cards close to his chest, certainly pre 'the GE kick-off'.

If the polls are to be believed Labour could be heading for over 400 seats, unheard of in modern day times.

With such a majority a Labour government could realistically hope for three terms, (even with some moderate losses) if it can set out a realistic programme for term 1 and demonstrate its ability to deliver, by consolidation in terms 2 and 3.

It is clearly Starmer's intention to show, though he doesn't have the charisma of Blair, that he has command of his ship (so to speak) there is no second in command 'waiting in the wings' to become PM after Starmer (at least not one yet visible).

From a purely personal point of view the establishment of both the NHS Act and the Education Act in the post WW2 period did improve the life chances for me and millions like me. Nothing any government has done since has had that same overall improvement impact on the life chances of millions of its people.
That needs to be the test/proving-ring for the next Labour government.
 

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Just on this -

Everything about this story / headline is so batshit insane and hypernormal:

William Wragg: Jeremy Hunt praises MP's apology over dating app incident - BBC News

The chancellor has praised a Tory MP for apologising after he admitted he gave other MPs' personal phone numbers to a man on a dating app.

Some had been sent naked images, and two MPs are reported to have responded by sending images of themselves.

Mr Wragg, who is vice chair of the influential 1922 committee of backbench Tory MPs, told the Times said he had sent intimate pictures of himself to a man he met on gay dating app Grindr.

"They had compromising things on me. They wouldn't leave me alone," added the 36-year-old, who has been MP for Hazel Grove in Greater Manchester since 2015.

The country is a shit show.
 

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The Corinthian said:
Just on this -

Everything about this story / headline is so batshit insane and hypernormal:

William Wragg: Jeremy Hunt praises MP's apology over dating app incident - BBC News

The chancellor has praised a Tory MP for apologising after he admitted he gave other MPs' personal phone numbers to a man on a dating app.

Some had been sent naked images, and two MPs are reported to have responded by sending images of themselves.

Mr Wragg, who is vice chair of the influential 1922 committee of backbench Tory MPs, told the Times said he had sent intimate pictures of himself to a man he met on gay dating app Grindr.

"They had compromising things on me. They wouldn't leave me alone," added the 36-year-old, who has been MP for Hazel Grove in Greater Manchester since 2015.

The country is a shit show.
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Considering Wragg is one of the main complainers about Cultural Marxism and the woke agenda, I have zero sympathy. Probably explains why he announced he wasn't standing again.
 

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ShinjiNinja26 said:
How about this cnut Braverman just remains in Israel permanently if he loves them that much? Win, win for all.
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I thought it was Patel who sold her arse to Israel? Two thick peas in an evil fecking pod.
 

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The Corinthian said:
Just on this -

Everything about this story / headline is so batshit insane and hypernormal:

William Wragg: Jeremy Hunt praises MP's apology over dating app incident - BBC News

The chancellor has praised a Tory MP for apologising after he admitted he gave other MPs' personal phone numbers to a man on a dating app.

Some had been sent naked images, and two MPs are reported to have responded by sending images of themselves.

Mr Wragg, who is vice chair of the influential 1922 committee of backbench Tory MPs, told the Times said he had sent intimate pictures of himself to a man he met on gay dating app Grindr.

"They had compromising things on me. They wouldn't leave me alone," added the 36-year-old, who has been MP for Hazel Grove in Greater Manchester since 2015.

The country is a shit show.
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Even the statement that a 36 year old who has been an MP for 9 years is described as a 'Senior' Conservative.

It really shows up how bottom of the barrel things are in this government.
 

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Oh Dear, 'pip-squeak' Britain indeed..... based on this Chinese perspective we won't be saving the planet, even if we do achieve net-zero targets.. we are a "dimple on a pimple on a fly's left..whatsit' ...as far as they are concerned.
 

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Maticmaker said:
Oh Dear, 'pip-squeak' Britain indeed..... based on this Chinese perspective we won't be saving the planet, even if we do achieve net-zero targets.. we are a "dimple on a pimple on a fly's left..whatsit' ...as far as they are concerned.
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We are pip-squeaks now without a colonial empire. We had far more clout as a leading member of the EU, which as a collective competes with China and the US. But we threw that influence away, and if the architects of Brexit have their way, we'll throw away any reminants of soft power we have too.

We have nukes that may or may not work though. So at least we won't be invaded by [insert enemy].

The only thing we have left is to stand up and set an example. Hopefully we'll do that one day.
 

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Maticmaker said:
Oh Dear, 'pip-squeak' Britain indeed..... based on this Chinese perspective we won't be saving the planet, even if we do achieve net-zero targets.. we are a "dimple on a pimple on a fly's left..whatsit' ...as far as they are concerned.
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We're pretty tiny on a global scale by most metrics. In your example, we produce less than 1% of the worlds carbon dioxide although that's just as important to sort than the other 99% and we need to do our job in helping.

For context China are around 30%, but of course their population is many, many times bigger.
 

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Net zero is all bollocks anyway. We just buy carbon credits and keep pumping out the stuff. The CO2 panic and climate change, like racism, has become an industry lining the pockets of a few people that regularly appear on TV and radio. One will say we will all be dead in 30 years time, baked to death in the increasing heat caused by CO2. Another person says we are actually in a CO2 deficit as we've planted more trees and crops which need CO2 to grow. It's like these left wing muppets that come on tv and talk down our country whilst living in posh streets in bought with all the appearance money they get and donations from guilty millionaires. BTW, guess how much CO2 is actually in the atmosphere. 5%?, 10 %? It's actually 0.04% of the total atmosphere. If all they world stopped producing CO2 it wouldn't matter because it hangs around for about 300 years or longer. Methane, another greenhouse gas, only hangs around for 10 or 12 years but absorbs more hear, so we should be concentrating on stopping mammals farting to cool the earth. Oh, and dispersing clouds too.
 

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Offsideagain said:
Net zero is all bollocks anyway. We just buy carbon credits and keep pumping out the stuff. The CO2 panic and climate change, like racism, has become an industry lining the pockets of a few people that regularly appear on TV and radio. One will say we will all be dead in 30 years time, baked to death in the increasing heat caused by CO2. Another person says we are actually in a CO2 deficit as we've planted more trees and crops which need CO2 to grow. It's like these left wing muppets that come on tv and talk down our country whilst living in posh streets in bought with all the appearance money they get and donations from guilty millionaires. BTW, guess how much CO2 is actually in the atmosphere. 5%?, 10 %? It's actually 0.04% of the total atmosphere. If all they world stopped producing CO2 it wouldn't matter because it hangs around for about 300 years or longer. Methane, another greenhouse gas, only hangs around for 10 or 12 years but absorbs more hear, so we should be concentrating on stopping mammals farting to cool the earth. Oh, and dispersing clouds too.
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Are you ok?
 

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Offsideagain said:
Net zero is all bollocks anyway. We just buy carbon credits and keep pumping out the stuff. The CO2 panic and climate change, like racism, has become an industry lining the pockets of a few people that regularly appear on TV and radio. One will say we will all be dead in 30 years time, baked to death in the increasing heat caused by CO2. Another person says we are actually in a CO2 deficit as we've planted more trees and crops which need CO2 to grow. It's like these left wing muppets that come on tv and talk down our country whilst living in posh streets in bought with all the appearance money they get and donations from guilty millionaires. BTW, guess how much CO2 is actually in the atmosphere. 5%?, 10 %? It's actually 0.04% of the total atmosphere. If all they world stopped producing CO2 it wouldn't matter because it hangs around for about 300 years or longer. Methane, another greenhouse gas, only hangs around for 10 or 12 years but absorbs more hear, so we should be concentrating on stopping mammals farting to cool the earth. Oh, and dispersing clouds too.
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And this 0.04% tells alone? Like a unique data? Nothing. Absolutely nothing

Now if you take that we were 300 ppm les than 100 years ago. And now 400 ppm, if we reach 500 ppm ( at this pace in 50 yearsl, thr temperature will raise 2-3 degrees. I am not a scientist, but the scientific community who i trust, they said it would be catastrophic. About methane? I agree 100%, but disregarding CO2 like is not one of the main problems is dangerous and a mistake
 
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Offsideagain said:
Net zero is all bollocks anyway. We just buy carbon credits and keep pumping out the stuff. The CO2 panic and climate change, like racism, has become an industry lining the pockets of a few people that regularly appear on TV and radio. One will say we will all be dead in 30 years time, baked to death in the increasing heat caused by CO2. Another person says we are actually in a CO2 deficit as we've planted more trees and crops which need CO2 to grow. It's like these left wing muppets that come on tv and talk down our country whilst living in posh streets in bought with all the appearance money they get and donations from guilty millionaires. BTW, guess how much CO2 is actually in the atmosphere. 5%?, 10 %? It's actually 0.04% of the total atmosphere. If all they world stopped producing CO2 it wouldn't matter because it hangs around for about 300 years or longer. Methane, another greenhouse gas, only hangs around for 10 or 12 years but absorbs more hear, so we should be concentrating on stopping mammals farting to cool the earth. Oh, and dispersing clouds too.
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The problem is that whole "it's only 0.04%" rhetoric is that 200 years ago it was half that. It doesn't need to look like a big number to cause a big problem. You don't need 5 or 10% cyanide in you blood stream to kill you, 0.2% will do it, but it's a small number so let's just crack on, eh?

In three or four lifetimes, we've doubled the concentration of a problematic gas in the vastness of our atmosphere. How do people not have any concern over this?

Also, who exactly is saying we're in a carbon defect? There are many many fewer forested areas in the 21st century than there were in the 18th century.

Also, carbon credits don't work like that. They don't count towards net zero.
 
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Offsideagain said:
Net zero is all bollocks anyway. We just buy carbon credits and keep pumping out the stuff. The CO2 panic and climate change, like racism, has become an industry lining the pockets of a few people that regularly appear on TV and radio. One will say we will all be dead in 30 years time, baked to death in the increasing heat caused by CO2. Another person says we are actually in a CO2 deficit as we've planted more trees and crops which need CO2 to grow. It's like these left wing muppets that come on tv and talk down our country whilst living in posh streets in bought with all the appearance money they get and donations from guilty millionaires. BTW, guess how much CO2 is actually in the atmosphere. 5%?, 10 %? It's actually 0.04% of the total atmosphere. If all they world stopped producing CO2 it wouldn't matter because it hangs around for about 300 years or longer. Methane, another greenhouse gas, only hangs around for 10 or 12 years but absorbs more hear, so we should be concentrating on stopping mammals farting to cool the earth. Oh, and dispersing clouds too.
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Nice rant. 8/10
 

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Offsideagain said:
Net zero is all bollocks anyway. We just buy carbon credits and keep pumping out the stuff. The CO2 panic and climate change, like racism, has become an industry lining the pockets of a few people that regularly appear on TV and radio. One will say we will all be dead in 30 years time, baked to death in the increasing heat caused by CO2. Another person says we are actually in a CO2 deficit as we've planted more trees and crops which need CO2 to grow. It's like these left wing muppets that come on tv and talk down our country whilst living in posh streets in bought with all the appearance money they get and donations from guilty millionaires. BTW, guess how much CO2 is actually in the atmosphere. 5%?, 10 %? It's actually 0.04% of the total atmosphere. If all they world stopped producing CO2 it wouldn't matter because it hangs around for about 300 years or longer. Methane, another greenhouse gas, only hangs around for 10 or 12 years but absorbs more hear, so we should be concentrating on stopping mammals farting to cool the earth. Oh, and dispersing clouds too.
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It's good to hear from a real scientist.
 

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Offsideagain said:
Net zero is all bollocks anyway. We just buy carbon credits and keep pumping out the stuff. The CO2 panic and climate change, like racism, has become an industry lining the pockets of a few people that regularly appear on TV and radio. One will say we will all be dead in 30 years time, baked to death in the increasing heat caused by CO2. Another person says we are actually in a CO2 deficit as we've planted more trees and crops which need CO2 to grow. It's like these left wing muppets that come on tv and talk down our country whilst living in posh streets in bought with all the appearance money they get and donations from guilty millionaires. BTW, guess how much CO2 is actually in the atmosphere. 5%?, 10 %? It's actually 0.04% of the total atmosphere. If all they world stopped producing CO2 it wouldn't matter because it hangs around for about 300 years or longer. Methane, another greenhouse gas, only hangs around for 10 or 12 years but absorbs more hear, so we should be concentrating on stopping mammals farting to cool the earth. Oh, and dispersing clouds too.
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Think I read this on a GeoCities site about 20 years ago
 
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