Exactly this. You only have to look at the role of “the with the brolly” to know the judgement of EtH is flawed. His assistants appear to have virtually no input to his game management and the players either don’t understand his instructions or ignore them. From a fans point of view I certainly don’t know see what he is trying to achieve.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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Nah, France and Argentina were always favorites, Italy under Mancini was pretty 50/50. If anything it's a bit of an achievement that he can claim he was 3 managerial mistakes away from winning the Euros and 2 errors away from possibly being in a world cup final (no offence intended to Morocco). The biggest mark on Southgate is how cowardly/cautious England are in big matches and that his lack of impetus might have cost them trophies.
So all you have done is asked me to ignore EtH's Utrecht time, Ajax tenure, ManUtd first season and then rate him on this season to question why he is better than Southgate.
Ajax didn't win league for 4-5 years before EtH was appointed, and now they are not in position to win the league.
Rough calculation, in 10 years they won league 3-4 times and all by EtH who was there for 3-4 seasons.
Also no, Southgate and EtH cup games can't be compared, one went toe to toe against power house like Bayern in group phase, eliminated Madrid and Juve. What was England's run to Semi finals and finals?
I'm one of those who are on the fence about ETH stay or go topic, but if we continue playing crap football with the team almost at full strength today then sack him.
I was only just thinking of this. I don’t know what his level is based on this season. I don’t know how much of it is the Circus element of being United manager or he’s just not good enough.
If you changed nothing at spurs or Villa and ONLY piled on the pressure , expectations and relentless scrutiny, I’d say these clubs would be doing nowhere near they are now.
It’s obviously not that straightforward as United have technically stronger squad on paper, certainly when players are available. But I say it moreso to wonder How would Emery and Ange deal with pressure ? I’m not sure either way as quite often you don’t know how players/managers will handle the prsssure.
Ange ball seems to be as chaotic As ETH ball, if an Ange United loses 4-0 to Newcastle, he won’t get away with the lack of scrutiny he will have at spurs who are just happy to be probably in top 5. Both Villa and Spurs seem to be bottling it a bit , even though United making it so easy for them, surely if we want an alternative manager, they should be able to grind out some wins and not be fumbling over the line.
While it’s not exact, I’d say I’d rate them about the same. Doesn’t mean we keep ETH or never give one of them a chance, I’m just not convinced either of them are massive upgrades and think it’s easier to manage Villa/Spurs when getting in top 5 is far easier with Chelsea and United being so poor.
Another terrible selection. Cannot wait to see the back of this guy
It’s not nonsense.
“Picking the side you think will win” is not serious betting. That’s an emotive way of gambling. Who you think will win needs to have data for me to take your idea seriously. There is no reliable data for United games that would suggest betting on Bournmouth is a value bet.
If it’s not an informed value bet, it’s fun even if you are taking yourself seriously.
I'm not sure others are fit enough for selection. This is pretty much the strongest team we can put out there at the moment.
Yes you pick a side you think will win based on the information you have, that's betting.
Theres no 'reliable data' to accurately predict any game, we aren't some special case.
Teams announced, you can can still make more money betting on us to win the game than Bournemouth. Read into that what you like (but it's not 'fun money' on Bournemouth).
It's fair point, even mclaren was able to win the league title in the Dutch league, same with de boer, I would put southgate above both of them and southgate would probably just as well as ten hag did with the set ajax has.
Yep. If he thinks people are buying it, he needs to think again. Rather be blunt and say he’s disappointed but he has faith in improvements due to trainings etc. our play is downright woeful.
Did he really say that? Wow. We've looked shit in even some of the games we've won. Imagine looking at the Brentford game and thinking people were too focused on the result
By my estimation we've had about three comfortable wins in the league this season. If you include the Champions League, that number doesn't change.
Erm, the guy who won us the game against Liverpool?
Lets not and let's stop making excuses for a guy who has been outcoached by every opposing manager in two years
Ahead of Rashford? On merit, yes, but we all know Rashford plays no matter what.
You think you're educating me on this?! All you've done is show yourself up
No white text?
So these noises about us looking for a replacement, where's it coming from?
No idea? Mr Wishful Thinking.
i have seen nothing from ten hag outside of the Dutch pond that he can do anything special that southgate couldn't probably do which is not much, I know many pro yen hag fans are stuck on his one off good run in the ucl about 5 years ago but he is not the first and won't be the last manager to have good run in European competition and never be able to reach that level again.
Bournemouth being the bookie's favourites to beat Man United is grounds enough for his sacking.
Fair enough.... First I've seen of it. Probably bollocks then
Good luck tonight, Erik. Wonder whether this will be one of these games that ETH wins for us with his amazing tactics and great football brain, or will these fecking players let him down again.
Sack him at half time.
Saaaaaack
Sigh
Owners need to bloody act. Fast.
His fates already sealed and he knows that. Every game no is meaningless
And Bournemouth are all over us.
We are playing for the first time in 6 days and its the same 11 from last week and yet we see no plan or structure. What does he do in training
How can we compete against mighty Bournemouth without martinez. ETH has done well to have it just 1-0
Every week you lot on here deceive yourself that Ten Hag is redeemable and then the weekend comes around and brings you all back to reality
He’s going to blame the pitch for defenders slipping and bad luck again probably?
Its like they have dementia, unbelievable the level of delusionEvery week you lot on here deceive yourself that Ten Hag is redeemable and then the weekend comes around and brings you all back to reality
Does it though? Most ETH supporters have written off this season entirely and, if he's still here, they'll probably write off next season too with the explanation of "new structure needs time to be bedded in".Every week you lot on here deceive yourself that Ten Hag is redeemable and then the weekend comes around and brings you all back to reality
Sack at half time. United are pitiful.
I just sigh at the state of it all
I just sigh at the state of it all
We mustn't forget it's been raining.
The age old rhetorical question of ‘What the feck are they doing in training’ is rearing its head again. We’ve no Europe in midweek as an excuse and they have a full week on training, practice and tactics. How do we look so fragmented? I’ve seen charity matches where teams look more cohesive.
Agreed. We cannot close the gulf in quality with just ETH tactics. We need more effort from players.