Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager

Would you allow ETH to manage the cup final before parting ways?

  • Yes

    Votes: 359 44.1%

  • No, get an interim now

    Votes: 455 55.9%
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NWRed

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I'm no reactionary when it comes to manager changes, and I like ten Hag, I think he's probably capable of building a high quality, entertaining and successful team for us if given time and patience, but when was the last time we were the best side in a game? We're 7th and lucky to be 7th if we're being honest.

I think there's lots of positives about his tenure so far like restoring the authority of the manager and giving young players a chance, and I know we've had a huge injury crisis at the back, and I know Casemiro's legs have gone, and I know ten Hag has a clear idea of how he wants us to play but doesn't have the players yet, but surely he has to be pragmatic and make tactical changes to cope with the injuries and to give Casemiro the cover he needs. All managers have to be pragmatic at times but ten Hag either can't or won't, and both are worrying.

Unless the unlikely happens and there is a significant improvement over the last few games, I think there are only 2 things that can save him. 1) As unlikely as it seems, winning the FA cup might be enough for him to get another season, or 2) with no obvious candidates and INEOS working from the top down, the fact that Ashworth and Wilcox might not be in position until after the summer means he might more time by default.

Barring those 2 things I think he's gone in the summer, and it's a shame because I really think he could build a winning side here.
 

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Gehrman said:
I feel the fans and our club gives the managers too long a leash. He's spent his money and have had time to make a mark. We are 2 points above Moyes West Ham. Smaller clubs readily sack their underperforming managers. Our fans and our board are the only ones being terrified about sacking managers "too soon".
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We are 2 points above West Ham, having scored even fewer goals than them and West Ham fans and board are not happy at all with Moyes and may soon part with him. They did win Conference League with him last year but the quality of football and lack of progress cannot be tolerated in the long run.

Yet we will keep ten Hag because of the League Cup win last year and what it signified, or whatever. We have got to a point where West Ham seem to have higher standards and aspirations than us. :lol:
 

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DWelbz19 said:
And that 2-0 win was two penalties :lol:
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Those results are bad but what does winning by scoring two penalties have to do with it? That was a deserved win and those penalties were rightfully given. Chelsea scored two goals against us out of penalties. Does that mean we won that game? Liverpool scored a penalty too, did we get the win that match?
 

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sugar_kane said:
I don’t doubt that might be their strategy and based on all evidence he’s failing the test, but the test is flawed if the players know he’s at risk of losing his job as they can continue to play like dickheads and get another free pass.

The smartest strategy would have been to tell the players behind the scenes he will still be here next season, while still being ready to pull the trigger before then if needed.

Maybe that’s what they did, who bloody knows. Either way another shite game and another shite result.
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What contingency? First I've heard of this. How Sir Jim say champions league football is important for FFP yet waste our season with some odd ball test for ETH. He'll have seen how he's done during the takeover and now most recently. If they are dithering with this pointless test for him rather than sacking him and saving the sesson, then they will not be good for us it seems.
 

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Stadjer said:
Those results are bad but what does winning by scoring two penalties have to do with it? That was a deserved win and those penalties were rightfully given. Chelsea scored two goals against us out of penalties. Does that mean we won that game? Liverpool scored a penalty too, did we get the win that match?
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Put the gun down, brother. It’s over.
 

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Resonance said:
It’s not looking good for him at all, however, we’re just going to replace him with another gamble and in 12 months time the fans will probably be calling for his head aswell.
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Yes, if the next manager is also shit, he will be sacked as well.

That's how literally every fecking club in football - maybe in all sports even - operates.
 

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After a season like this (and a good chunk of the end of last season) you really have to wonder how anyone can still back him. I think it's only our own club and the scousers that have fans of such delusion.
If INEOS fail to sack him latest this summer it will already show a huge lack of ambition and a continuation of the absolute lack of standards of the last years.
 

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Big Ben Foster said:
Yes, if the next manager is also shit, he will be sacked as well.

That's how literally every fecking club in football - maybe in all sports even - operates.
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People just can't get their heads around the fact that managers like SAF and Busby are the exceptions, not the rule.
 

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The whole idea of giving him time to work under ‘proper structure’ is basically built around premise that if we got him great players, they would be able to compensate his shortcomings as a manager and make it less apparent that he is lacking basic skills. It’s a mad idea really when you think about it because it requires the players to get the best out of manager rather than the other way around which is pretty much what everyone else tries to do.
 

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I don't understand the pure stubbornness to not change anything.
We've had a limited no of fullbacks for most of the season, try something new? Nope.
Midfield getting overrun. Try a new formation? Nope.
Forward isolated, Get wingers to get balls into the box? Nope.
4231 not working, try 2 up top? Nope.

He really might as well try something different now. But I know he won't. I really want a manager to have a good, long career here, but it can't be him, not after this season
 

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jasT1981 said:
Storms off when asked a very legit question :/

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Touchy, no doubt. I also predict a P7 finish will be very hard to stomach for INEOS. Six games still to go though. 4 of them with much more player power too. Since there is no sense in changing manager now, Ten Hag has these games to show whether he is the real deal, or just too light. A good result next week against Coventry would do team confidence some good too imo. We will see.
 
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DWelbz19 said:
Put the gun down, brother. It’s over.
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Yes, seems to be so. Doesnt change that your comment makes no sense at all though.

There are many, and i mean a lot, of reasons to sack ETH but winning a game and pretend that his only win in a long time was all down to penalties is unfair. That was a deserved win. Atleast come up with a good reason, like that 1-1 draw against Brentford. That game should have been the largest loss out of all those games for example. That could/should have been 5-0 to Brentford. The 2-0 Everton win was a normal result.
 

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Sarni said:
The whole idea of giving him time to work under ‘proper structure’ is basically built around premise that if we got him great players, they would be able to compensate his shortcomings as a manager and make it less apparent that he is lacking basic skills. It’s a mad idea really when you think about it because it requires the players to get the best out of manager rather than the other way around which is pretty much what everyone else tries to do.
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I've been saying this for a long time. These people saying to give him another season are actually hoping we sign such high quality players that they can mask his deficiencies and they can say "see, told you he's a top manager". It's just ridiculous. They don't hold any standards to the manager and expect him to have to bring nothing to the table, whilst they hold every other figure involved at the club to the highest of standards.

It all reeks of one final, desperate attempt at a "told you so" moment. They just won't give it up.
 

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golden_blunder said:
Anyone dropped off his defence team after that load of bollox?
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The state we're in, even people arguing with each other about him are only going through the motions.

There's nothing left to discuss, which is why the conversations just loop, but even that's dying down.

We're abysmal and there's not a single thing he does that faith can be put into with a straight face anymore. It's actually sad it has come to this. Practically every game we play is a miserable experience.
 

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Sarni said:
The whole idea of giving him time to work under ‘proper structure’ is basically built around premise that if we got him great players, they would be able to compensate his shortcomings as a manager and make it less apparent that he is lacking basic skills. It’s a mad idea really when you think about it because it requires the players to get the best out of manager rather than the other way around which is pretty much what everyone else tries to do.
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It's even more mad considering we spent 400 mill on players he wanted
 

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It's even more mad considering we spent 400 mill on players he wanted
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But apparently Ashworth and Wilcox will identify more suitable players for Ten Hag's system than Ten Hag, because they know Ten Hag's system better than Ten Hag. It's incredible logic
 

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It baffles me to see all of our games has been identical for months now. I understand the injury situation especially in the back but in the attacking area we have absolutely no coherence at all. With a manager that has been coaching these players for 20 months, you expect better organization.

There is no excuse for conceding this many shots. It is painful to witness this. Erik probably knows writing's on the wall.
 

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ETH has been doing it the moment he got here tbh. Him and Rangnick really embedded this toxic thing of throwing players under the bus to save themselves. Though arguably Jose did it first, but Ole reversed it temporarily.

Not a good look that his best winger this season is fed up with him.
 

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But apparently Ashworth and Wilcox will identify more suitable players for Ten Hag's system than Ten Hag, because they know Ten Hag's system better than Ten Hag. It's incredible logic
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Clearly ETH doesn't know who is best for his system here with all the power, whereas Llungberg did at Ajax.
 
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