Do we really have that many oppo fans around now?
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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Doubt it.
I don't think you understand the concept of a tournament. Or winning.
This idea of "sending a message" by keeping a severely underperforming manager is one of the most ridiculous things I've read on here, almost to the point it's childish. Not only it's not true that with each manager players get a "fresh start" but most people have realized by now that one of our mistakes has been giving managers a big say on who should be sold and who should be signed. That's why we still have people terrified of changing the manager "because new guy will not want these players and will sign his own".
Keeping an underperforming manager for the sake of it will do way more damage than sending any "message" could ever possibly help. Of course the manager has to take the fall eventually. That's literally his job and his responsibility. Do we really have to talk about what is easier to replace, a manager or 25 players?
Keeping him for the sake of it is the stupidest idea anyone at the club could have. It will prove nothing to anybody, players who are shit will be kept irrespective of whether he is in charge or not, all players at any club know it’s the manage who takes the fall.
You are also undermining the whole thing by saying he could be sacked during next season, which is the most likely outcome and then the whole argument is null and void and it’s just another season.
He can’t be given just 1 more year, you have to be prepared to give him at least another 2, if not then it’s time to sack him. This is not a quick fix and it’s pretty much back to the drawing board so the club have to either fully believe in him or get rid.
Winning a domestic cup is meaningless in the grand scheme of things and will do nothing to help us go back to challenging for actual big trophies. No other big club would keep a horribly underperforming manager because he won a cup. Even we didn't do that with LVG.
I'm not sure our manager is underperforming though. Villa and Spurs have better players than us, as do Arsenal and City.
I'm sure going into this season you thought we had 6th or 7th best squad, behind Villa and Spurs and you predicted we would lose so many games, get embarrased in an easy CL group and have a negative GD with 6 games to go. Sure, totally not underperforming.
No but I didn't realise Casemiro and Shaw were basically done, nor that Martinez would get injured for more or less the whole season. Without those guys, who were 3 of our top performers last year, we're pretty fecking average as a squad. I think we've finally started to shape the squad in the right way but there's a long way to go still and that's the most important thing for me.
They don't, both have better manager and our manager is underperforming massively. He was just lucky with some of the results, our expected points don't even have us in the top 10, and every week our performances are shit.
Go and post your combined Man Utd - Spurs XI in my thread, I'm interested to see it. Or you can do Villa if you like.
Didn't Spurs lose the best striker in the league and had a lot of injuries this season?
If he's here next season at least I can focus on learning a new foreign language or following another sport, as I sure as hell won't follow United as closely as usual with the shite he's serving week in, week out.
If it happens, it'll be like OGS's third season where the non-deluded from us knew his time was up but the club refused to acknowledge it, even after being humiliated by Liverpool and City at home.
If it happens, it'll be like OGS's third season where the non-deluded from us knew his time was up but the club refused to acknowledge it, even after being humiliated by Liverpool and City at home.
And yet we've lost to the likes of Brighton, Palace, Bournemouth, West Ham, Forest, Fulham, Copenhagen, Galatasaray. There is no argument to be made that we have a worse squad than any of those and yet we're constantly playing bad against such teams. Only pure luck has us at 7th right now.
Are we seriously trying to suggest 2 years and 450 million later after the bad Ole/Rangnick season and 6th place finish our real level is still... 6th? I wonder whose fault would that be if that's the case.
Fault is on him, He should be sacked once the season is over accompanied by Rashford, Sancho, Greenwood,
Maguire, McTominay, Antony Casemiro, Varane, Lindelöf, Bissaka should all be let go, then season after that Bruno and whosoever isn't doing they job can get feck off as well.
Again, you don't really seem to understand much about how football works. All teams lose to bad teams sometimes. Our European campaign was very disappointing but mainly because Onana repeatedly shat the bed. He's finally starting to look comfortable here, and is now looking a (mostly) very good keeper.
You're trying to have your cake and eat it too. You can't blame our shortcomings on individual moments but handwave away our wins which were also almost all due to individual moments.
The chaos is the style of play. We live and die by it.
Except we've lost a lot more than "sometimes" and consistently play bad even when we don't lose, see Brentford. You think a manager who's currently having the worst season in club's modern history "isn't underperforming" despite outspending everyone, but I don't understand football. Alright.
Mate, the footballing structure is a mess at United, no one is disagreeing with you.
Is it fair to hold Ten Hag accountable for his results given this fact? YES.
‘He’s paid £9m a year first of all. He has targets to hit, and both the club and Ten Hag were are of the footballing structure and its various issues when he took the job. In fact, he was so aware of the issues, that he demanded veto power in transfers. You’re assuming that the scouts served up dog shit for transfer targets and Ten Hag had nothing to work with… fair enough. But there is a possibility that Ten Hag vetoed good, young players that scouting raised in favor of Antony, Mount, ONana, Weghorst, Amrabaat, Malacia etc.
There is no line of logic that absolves Ten Hag for at least some of the responsibility of the transfer mess. He’s had 11 players join the squad and spent 400m. When you add that to poor results, poor xG and xGD and GD, place in the table, last in our CL group, and the completely farcical tactics where we routinely give up 20+ shots and multiple goals against mid/lower table sides, you can only come to the conclusion that he’s not good enough for a club of Manchester United’s stature.
He will be gone at the end of the season. Just bear with it for another month. And hope the replacement is actually good this time.
I like Ten Hag, and I held on as long as I could but voted no.
He's lost the dressing room, players have downed tools. Yes, again players have gotten another manager close to being fired and I don't like it but there is no turning this around.
He's lost the dressing room, players have downed tools. Yes, again players have gotten another manager close to being fired and I don't like it but there is no turning this around.
Spending money doesn't mean you have good players. Udogie cost £20m, Antony £80m, who would you rather have bought?
Wow, almost 70% are saying no to another year. Interesting that it was 45 stay 55 sack just a couple of months ago.
Well, I know who our manager would have bought...
Do you not think a goalkeeper giving up 3 goals in a game is a bit unusual? Particularly when he won the CL the year before? Onana's shiteness in the CL was an outlier this year, even compared to his shiteness in the league in the first half of the year.
Not his job though in a functioning club. He can ask for who he wants but the director of football, scouts, CEO etc. should decide.
The players aren’t downing tools. This has been debunked time and again. Most of our squad gets a 20-25% wage increase if we make the CL. Why on earth would they do that? It doesn’t benefit the players in any way, shape or form.
One more season? you lot into absolute masochism, absolute joke.
Keep him all summer, sign HIS players AGAIN which turn out to be useless AGAIN and we would have wasted another season.
Pathetic.
Keep him all summer, sign HIS players AGAIN which turn out to be useless AGAIN and we would have wasted another season.
Pathetic.
Chelsea? I don't think that's necessarily an awful take.
I can't even tell what's a pisstake anymore.
They have spent yes but on a lot of young players that will probably still come good.
I’ll never understand people that just wilfully write off winning stuff. The only reason for our club to exist is to win trophies. That’s the purpose of a football team.
Sure, you can make an argument that winning a league cup or FA cup is not an indicator towards eventually winning the League or CL but it’s still a worthwhile endeavour, should be celebrated and should also garnish the manager some credit.
It always has to be taken in the wider context of our other expectations of course but I’d rather win stuff and finish 5th-7th than finish 3rd and trophyless. In Spurs’ glorious decade they’ve won nothing while we’ve won 4 trophies. It matters.
He wanted to be heavily involved and he had a veto.
Only one of them plays RW and he wanted a RW.
I assume you meant to quote someone else mate?
I know that in your heart of hearts you know Ten Hag is a bust. I know that every morning when you wake up and look in the mirror and prepare for an arduous day of typing up stuff in this thread that you don’t really believe in, you take a deep sigh. I know that when you watch us play you often think to yourself “fecking hell”. But I get it, you in too deep and got to commit to it til the end, it’s almost admirable. But just know that I know you know it’s over.
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I'm aware which is why it wasn't a logical comparison. Even if you make that comparison between Antony and any other RW, we still know the answer.
I thought the guy is a Chelsea fan?
In a one off season, sure, winning a cup may seem like a decent achievement compared to finishing 2nd. But I would much rather be Arsenal right now and build towards something bigger and mount a decent title challenge than win a domestic cup and be a laughing stock in Europe and the PL. Let's be real, nobody really remembers domestic cup winners except their fans. Especially true for the League Cup.
Excellent post.
We should refuse to purchase any new players as well.
Also, those gits in the footballing structure who have created this mess, they should stay too.
I’m also for no alcohol sales at OT, and removing stadium seats. We should all be standing.
Finally, we should refuse all televised league and cup games.
The way forward is backwards.