I really hate Woodward and the glazers , good look to INEOs fixing the mess they’ve made of things. I’d worry for whoever is next manager as I’m not sure things won’t get worse before better. In saying that , if United keep losing it mightn’t feel so bad…
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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I really hate Woodward and the glazers , good look to INEOs fixing the mess they’ve made of things. I’d worry for whoever is next manager as I’m not sure things won’t get worse before better. In saying that , if United keep losing it mightn’t feel so bad…
Any club can hire the wrong manager , a badly run club can hire a good one
This seems an odd question if I’m honest. What is the threshold or qualifying criteria for allowing a manager to do his job?
It’s never been a question of immediate success. It’s not realistic to expect that, even SAF wasn’t an instant hit.
Ten Hag was a hot property this time 2 years ago, europes up and coming management prospect. The Caf was largely begging for him to join us after Ole/Rangnick and up until the LC final he was the messiah.
Now his tricky second album isn’t the hit that the first one was we want to throw him in the trash?
Why did the club do that ? Because he demanded it ? So why did the club say yes if that’s not worked for 11 years ?
Never said that, why would a better turnover work ?
This is such a dumb argument to discount a manager, I'm sorry. The problem is that we don't have a proper structure to say no to a manager and trust their own scouts and recruitment process.
This has been the case for a decade before Ten Hag and would have been the case after him if INEOS didn't shake things up.
Better run clubs replace under performing managers quicker seems to be the consensus. They also do an awful lot more things right then United that means the squad is in a position to quickly adapt.
Why do you think it’s fair to compare United with better run clubs as if just sacking managers faster would work for us? I think some of you are selective in comparisons. If Klopp was managing United the last 6 years it would wouldn’t of made Woodard any better at signing players , getting value , not giving stupid contracts etc.
I don't see the harm in keeping him, as long as the recruitment is handled well and the team is built properly. I think he can succeed with the right tools, and if he doesn't, then we will be in decent shape for someone new.
Maybe the club really wanted him to be successful and to provide him with the players to realize his vision
I actually think it's the exact opposite, that supporting the manager and giving him what he wants instead of saying no is now a bad thing and the clubs fault. It's like the guy came out of an asylum and we should've known better.
I’m so sick of hearing this. Ten Hag didn’t ask the club to spend that money, there was no gun to anyone’s head.
Erik asked for players. The club did the negotiating and sanctioned the exorbitant price we paid for many of them. If our transfer negotiator is trash, or as we know our CEo/owners were incompetent that’s not on the manager.
The prices quoted for these players was much lower until Utd rocked up to negotiate. Then the price sky rockets. Again, not on the manager.
Well no, he saw the shit show that the club was in, the global scouts were also sacked and wanted more control.
He also didn't want full, sole autonomy. He wanted to be in the room and have a veto, which is the same as what Murtough had. Insinuating that he pulled their pants down and had his way with them is an exaggeration.
I see, no one told you that ETH should be sacked because better run clubs do it faster and that it is a miracle solution. ETH should be sacked because his tactical setup is boneheaded, it was boneheaded during preseason and he hasn't adjusted it which has led to an abject season.
A well run club would sack him because his responsibility and stubbornness are obvious and a poorly run club will make the strangest excuses to justify their appointment.
Bingo.
The harm is, we could give him 20 new players and he still persists with this notion of playing without a midfield
Spot on
Yes? Why are we required to afford every player/manager so much time and trust? He had plenty of goodwill going into this summer after a solid first season, and then burned it to the ground with some of the worst results and performances in a season that we’ve seen in 30 years while refusing to show any sort of ability to adapt or adjust to the same consistent issues week in and week out.
So yeah after getting more evidence and a larger sample size, I absolutely want to throw him in the bin and move on
There seems to be this bizarre phenomenon where people can’t comprehend that both upper level management/structure can be poor while the manager is also poor. It doesn’t have to be this “players are fine, manager is shit/manager is fine, players are shit” dichotomy so many fall into.
Why would sacking managers of made things better the last 11 years ? Answer the question.
We have negative goal difference in April
There really isn’t, I’m still fascinated that some of you are moreso responding to me by quoting what other (ETH cultists as you would call them) are saying as if I’m saying it. The ONLY reason some of you are banging on so much against my posts isn’t because I’m so defencive of ETH, it’s because I’m not pushing for his sacking.
You are the cultist in my eyes. I don’t care if he’s replaced at this stage but you are just obsessed with hammering anybody who doesn’t share exactly how you think ok this. And you aren’t alone.
I already answered that question, it's in the post that you quoted, the first sentence. I also told you why he deserves to be sacked, it's due to his coaching and lack of adjustment for an entire season.
Your question would make sense if the reasoning was that sacking someone for the sake of it was somehow a solution to an unnamed issue. But here I told you the issue and I told you who is responsible for it, so unless you believe that someone else is supposed build, coach and adjust a tactical setup, I will put it on the head coach/manager.
Jesus how do all of ye not get tired of the same arguments with each other all the time? It's absolutely crazy that ye have the energy, nevermind the time, for these countless posts rehashing the same shite over and over.
INEOs are literally putting people in place to build a squad, managers don’t do that in modern football.
In terms of the football that’s being played, there’s no point in repeating the same things that nobody has addressed anytime I’ve posted it in here. Done it 2-3 times this season and each time crickets…
Im of the same mindset as Andy Mitten on ETH. But Im not dieing on any hill for ETH. I think he’s gone in the summer.
Im 11 hours waiting in an A&E to be seen so I’ve nothing else to do. As soon as I’m finished I will leave the mob to the ETH out circle jerk.
I had big doubts last season. The football is so bad I don't see why he deserves more time than our previous better managers.
Yep for me the biggest issue there is not even a glimmer of hope of improvement. Just interview after interview of blind denial.
I like the guy but he's done here.
Having us perform worse than the Ole/Rangnick disaster season is reason enough.
And the same way INEOS concluded that the people above ETH failed at their job, they should consider the idea that ETH is part of the failures, especially when he had the kindness to expose it for an entire season.
Im confident they are assessing everything and if ETH is replaced as part of their long term plans then so be it. If he’s kept on I don’t imagine you will be as magnanimous.
Ok fair enough, so you doubted him well before this season started.
Exactly this. His absurd stubborness when it comes to the horrid tactics we have used this season is the main reason we cannot continue with him.
As magnanimous as what? Whether he stays or not, it will change nothing for me.
Ah ok, you are right regardless, I will leave you to it.
It's ironic you say that when a lot of EtH cultists keep referring to the Arteta example who took 3 years to get much, much further away from a league title.
Rodgers also beat Chelsea to a FA cup and as much as I dislike and don't rate him, he's miles clear of Pep junior.
No, seriously you say things that make no sense. What am I supposed to be magnanimous about?
That whatever INEOs decide on him (sack/keep) is an informed decision that suits whatever their long term strategy entails
Do the ETH in crowd actually watch United? If so, what part of this season has convinced you to give him one more? 40 mins against Villa or a cup game against Palace? The rest has been utter dog shit.
Thankfully, the club seem to be setting up for booting him because no structure would let a manager go into his final year of contract. I doubt any foottball brain would back him after watching us.
Thankfully, the club seem to be setting up for booting him because no structure would let a manager go into his final year of contract. I doubt any foottball brain would back him after watching us.
Sir Jim is already on record as saying that the club will define the style of play. It will be the CEO, the dof and the manager who will decide what the United style is, and that’s how the team will expect to play. There have been reports that ETH is happy to accept less responsibility and effectively become a ‘head coach’ rather than manager, so if he doesn’t deliver the required playing style then that is a clear barometer by which he can be judged and sacked.
This season from the get-go our performances have been poor, and our results not much better. I get that entirely. We have been a terrible watch this campaign. And yet, up until the last intl break we were still mathematically in with a shout of top 4/5. The season has been so muddled by injuries, off field antics, club issues and the ownership process that there isn’t a clear marker by which to judge. You just have to write it off and start over next time. If it’s more of the same he goes, if it’s better entertaining winning football then he gets a new deal. By then the hierarchy will be in and up to speed, we’ll have a clear understanding of where we are, where we are going and how we want to get there, and hopefully a stronger fitter squad.
Correct and even a good setup can hire a bad coach. So if a coach is struggling under a good set-up then they're not the right guy for the job. But even under a bad set-up if a coach is struggling this badly then the same conclusion can be drawn.
None of Moyes, Van Gaal, Jose or Ole have proven their sackings a mistake.