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It's going to be him or Potter mate....Surely we are not that stupid to keep him after the end of season?
It's going to be him or Potter mate....Surely we are not that stupid to keep him after the end of season?
He hasn't used him much while he's had the chance...It's not meant to defend ETH but since he came back from injury, Diallo has made me think that if he was fit at the start of the season, the shape of the team and plans of ETH could have been different. I think that Diallo is the kind of wide midfielder that helps you a lot in possession and he could impose himself in a similar way that Mainoo did.
I think Tuchel, like Mourinho, would be a good manager for us to hire with a 2-3 year spell in mind. We'd likely get 2 good seasons from him. Maybe more if everything worked out.Thomas Tuchel
Why not?
He's Champions League proven, and has shown that he can compete with the current best manager in our league - Pep Guardiola, after all he did delay Pep from getting his first European Cup with City, until he inevitably got one last season.
If he goes on to win the Champions League with Bayern this year, then surely Sir Jim and co. will be looking at him, especially considering he will be available on a free (no compensation to pay), and with Financial Fair Play already being a factor mentioned by Sir Jim regarding our future spending, I do actually think Tuchel will make the shortlist of candidates for the hot seat at Old Trafford.
I know he isn’t, but he’s another one of these coaches that is trying to prove himself on the world stage instead of just focusing on getting the best out of the team he’s managing. There’s too much ego involved. We need a manager that will recognise we need some pretty big changes over the coming few seasons and be fine with that because they’re not worried about their reputation taking a battering if we don’t win anything.ETH isn't a young coach.
Thats never going to happen, especially with the way the English press is, also at the same time fans will be calling for their head if they don't perform too even if its for a single seasonI know he isn’t, but he’s another one of these coaches that is trying to prove himself on the world stage instead of just focusing on getting the best out of the team he’s managing. There’s too much ego involved. We need a manager that will recognise we need some pretty big changes over the coming few seasons and be fine with that because they’re not worried about their reputation taking a battering if we don’t win anything.
Which is why it isn't to defend him.He hasn't used him much while he's had the chance...
When it comes to Football, the English press is probably the softest and nicest in Europe. The same is true for fans, especially United fans.Thats never going to happen, especially with the way the English press is, also at the same time fans will be calling for their head if they don't perform too even if its for a single season
Yeah, David Moyes.If this was Ten Hag's first season and considering how we've performed. Would there be anyone who'd think he should get another season, based on this one?
There is no way a United manager is going to survive not getting results at United, we had ETH doing a Sky interview defending his methods after just 2 games with the clubWhen it comes to Football, the English press is probably the softest and nicest in Europe. The same is true for fans, especially United fans.
Funnily enough there would be even more of them. The manager shits gold effect is way stronger earlier in the tenure.If this was Ten Hag's first season and considering how we've performed. Would there be anyone who'd think he should get another season, based on this one?
Even more so with the match going fans. You'll barely ever hear negative chants about the manager at OT.When it comes to Football, the English press is probably the softest and nicest in Europe. The same is true for fans, especially United fans.
YesWhich is why it isn't to defend him.
Definately not, well not in my opinionIf this was Ten Hag's first season and considering how we've performed. Would there be anyone who'd think he should get another season, based on this one?
There is a difference between not winning anything and not getting results. United managers will be given time if people see progress. Of course if you are actually bad and underperforming you will be under pressure but that's true literally everywhere and for everyone.There is no way a United manager is going to survive not getting results at United
But if this were his first season, he has been Moyes bad, worse in fact.Funnily enough there would be even more of them. The manager shits gold effect is way stronger earlier in the tenure.
You have to be Moyes bad to not be fellated 24/7 in the first 12 months of your managerial tenure here.
That guy will be on his death bead in 30 years muttering about more time.Yeah, David Moyes.
I've heard a few ripples recently of 'Ten Hag out, ya bald Dutch lout!'Even more so with the match going fans. You'll barely ever hear negative chants about the manager at OT.
Even Moyes had a fairly big amount of supporters in the years following his sacking. Claiming that he was unfairly treated and not given enough time.Funnily enough there would be even more of them. The manager shits gold effect is way stronger earlier in the tenure.
You have to be Moyes bad to not be fellated 24/7 in the first 12 months of your managerial tenure here.
Same here mate but I suspect there would be some still banging the 'he deserves more time' drum.Definately not, well not in my opinion
I think most people know there is a lot more pressure from media at this club (in England)There is a difference between not winning anything and not getting results. United managers will be given time if people see progress. Of course if you are actually bad and underperforming you will be under pressure but that's true literally everywhere and for everyone.
Not sure about that, possibly a very small minority.Same here mate but I suspect there would be some still banging the 'he deserves more time' drum.
And my point is that, that pressure is absolutely weak compared to most top clubs or even just CL clubs across Europe.I think most people know there is a lot more pressure from media at this club (in England)
Outside of England at clubs like Madrid, Barca, Bayern yes.And my point is that, that pressure is absolutely weak compared to most top clubs or even just CL clubs across Europe.
I think the fact that it’s his second season is way more damning. You want to see progress under a manager, especially in terms of performances. If it was his first season you could give him the benefit of the doubt. But what we’ve seen is that he started horrifically and then came good before the World Cup where we were looking very promising. Since then it’s been a downwards curve that has gotten steeper and steeper the more time ETH has had to influence things and put his stamp on the team. I’d be less critical if it was his first season.If this was Ten Hag's first season and considering how we've performed. Would there be anyone who'd think he should get another season, based on this one?
We have an old Hag while the scousers are about to replace Klopp with a dirty slot.ETH isn't a young coach.
Aren’t young coaches actually going to be more flexible because they are still learning and they recognize that? Ten Hag is not really a young coach, he is older than Pep.The issue with a young exciting coach is ambition. We need someone who's not trying to prove to the world they're a great coach but is indeed a great coach. We saw Ten Hag this season just refuse to change his system despite not having the players and that's exactly what we'll get with other young coaches. They have one idea of how football should be played and they will enforce that on the team regardless of the players because they don't have the patience to play some type of hybrid football for a season or two until we can get the players in.
I probably didn't make my point clear. The pressure in England isn't actually high, yes United has more pressure than others but it's not a big pressure from the press or fans, you need to be very bad or underperform for a long period of time for any semblance of pressure to start. So to go back to @crossy1686 point, a Manchester United can easily have a methodical approach where they focus on improving things incrementally because neither the fans nor the press demand quick and big improvements. And when we talk about foreign managers, that's far less pressure on them than they are used to.Outside of England at clubs like Madrid, Barca, Bayern yes.
In England no chance
This isn't true in my opinion and the interview he did with Sky after 2 games is evidence of that.I probably didn't make my point clear. The pressure in England isn't actually high, yes United has more pressure than others but it's not a big pressure from the press or fans, you need to be very bad or underperform for a long period of time for any semblance of pressure to start. So to go back to @crossy1686 point, a Manchester United can easily have a methodical approach where they focus on improving things incrementally because neither the fans nor the press demand quick and big improvements. And when we talk about foreign managers, that's far less pressure on them than they are used to.
I'd agree to be honest, but I've seen a lot of people say they're backing him because of last season. Which while it was a good season it wasn't that impressive.I think the fact that it’s his second season is way more damning. You want to see progress under a manager, especially in terms of performances. If it was his first season you could give him the benefit of the doubt. But what we’ve seen is that he started horrifically and then came good before the World Cup where we were looking very promising. Since then it’s been a downwards curve that has gotten steeper and steeper the more time ETH has had to influence things and put his stamp on the team. I’d be less critical if it was his first season.
The same Moyes who got applauded off the pitch by fans at OT days before his sacking?Funnily enough there would be even more of them. The manager shits gold effect is way stronger earlier in the tenure.
You have to be Moyes bad to not be fellated 24/7 in the first 12 months of your managerial tenure here.
Yeah, his first season has retrospectively been made into something it wasn’t as his supporters were looking for excuses. There were two or three months where it looked really promising but we were dire from February onwards and it was already quite worrying to end a manager’s debut season on a clearly downgoing spiral.I'd agree to be honest, but I've seen a lot of people say they're backing him because of last season. Which while it was a good season it wasn't that impressive.
Most of us gave him the benefit of the doubt, I know I did. But it's just continued into this season which is why I'm not buying the injuries being the main reason for itYeah, his first season has retrospectively been made into something it wasn’t as his supporters were looking for excuses. There were two or three months where it looked really promising but we were dire from February onwards and it was already quite worrying to end a manager’s debut season on a clearly downgoing spiral.
It's the same for me. In the past week I have tried to remember where I shared my thoughts at the end of the season because we fixed none of the issues that a nobody like myself could see and we added structural issues.Most of us gave him the benefit of the doubt, I know I did. But it's just continued into this season which is why I'm not buying the injuries being the main reason for it
The part that I find a bit perplexing is that when the season started I didn't think that top 4 was a given and I didn't think ETH's job was a one season project. So to me the OP makes little sense, questions should be asked about certain things like play time management or the almost religious belief in a 4231 that often doesn't bring balance but at full strength and fresh we have generally been good to very good.
Now the recent weeks have shown a few things. We rely too much on Varane AND Martinez when it comes to moving the ball efficiently and controlling tempo, that's not normal and this reality is a blight on Casemiro-Eriksen-Bruno. The same observation can be made at the opposing end where during the few games where Martial was in shape we were significantly better as a possession team, that again points the finger at the midfield. We need to fix our midfield and bring a reliable striker or two.
If these are the results of a team who are completely behind him, isn't that an even bigger indicator that he's never going to get it right here? We aren't even close to being a well functioning teamI've no issue with anyone who wants Ten Hag sacked based upon the performances and results this season. I am personally prepared to give him another season with the new structure in place because I do still like the way he handles the pressure of being the United manager and because it's clear the players actually are trying to play for him. They binned off several previous managers by this point and actively were trying to get them fired IMO.
This said, if INEOS bin him after the cup final (even if we win) and announce 2 days later that he has been sacked and an Inzaghi, Tuchel, Enrique, Ancelotti etc level manager was coming in, I would not exactly be heartbroken about it.
Yeah in hindsight a lot of the signs were there even last season that things weren't really progressing.It's the same for me. In the past week I have tried to remember where I shared my thoughts at the end of the season because we fixed none of the issues that a nobody like myself could see and we added structural issues.
I disagree.I've no issue with anyone who wants Ten Hag sacked based upon the performances and results this season. I am personally prepared to give him another season with the new structure in place because I do still like the way he handles the pressure of being the United manager and because it's clear the players actually are trying to play for him. They binned off several previous managers by this point and actively were trying to get them fired IMO.
This said, if INEOS bin him after the cup final (even if we win) and announce 2 days later that he has been sacked and an Inzaghi, Tuchel, Enrique, Ancelotti etc level manager was coming in, I would not exactly be heartbroken about it.
Pogba was one of our best performer during Mourinho final season. Do you remember that game against Newcastle where Pogba turned into a one man midfield and led a comeback win?I disagree.
Maybe one or two like Pogba who had a toxic relationship with Mourinho by the end. But even Martial (Mourinho didn't favour him) was still professional and performing despite their issues. He scored 7 PL goals during Mourinho's final 10 PL games.
The players responded to losing 5-0 at Old Trafford vs Liverpool by beating Spurs 3-0 away in the next PL game. The players were even trying like crazy during the 4-1 loss vs Watford. VdB came on and had an impact. He scored and then set up a great chance for Ronaldo to get United back into the game. He missed. Maguire's red card was the final nail in the coffin, which Solskjaer mentioned on The Overlap. Went from 2-1 and battling back to a 4-1 loss with 10 men.
But let's say that you are right and the players have downed tools for other managers. That makes ten Hag look even worse. If the squad is fully behind him and the past 14 months are what they've produced, that simply shows that he's not good enough and that some of them need to be moved on also.
17 defeats in less than a season with a team behind you should get you sacked. We've been fortunate that it's not more. Brentford, Liverpool and Bournemouth should have been 3 defeats. We should have taken a single point from that 4 game winless run. 3 defeats and a draw vs Chelsea instead of 3 draws and a defeat. It's been really bad, yet could have been even worse.