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He doesn’t deserve to be leading the team out at Wembley and the freakish 1 in 1000 chance of getting another cup title he didn’t contribute to
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The stupid thing is that ETH has already specifically come out to say that he won't (or can't) play the football that got his Ajax team famous for that half a season, which is the sole reason why most here wanted him hired.The frustrating thing here is that nearly all of Ten Hag's reputation comes from a cup run from half a decade ago. So you still have people saying "we know he can't be a bad coach, he reached CL semis". Plenty of players and managers in that same time frame went from being hot prospects to nobodies in football but people still clinging onto that one particular result as proof of him being a good coach, as if that's something set in stone forever. Mourinho was an amazing coach not even that long ago before we hired him.
How do you know what those people want to see?The stupid thing is that ETH has already specifically come out to say that he won't (or can't) play the football that got his Ajax team famous for that half a season, which is the sole reason why most here wanted him hired.
I'm not sure what the people still supporting him are waiting for, exactly. They will never see what they want to see.
It's pretty clear that he can only thrive in literally the perfect environment. He had a brilliant structure doing a-lot of work for him at Ajax, and some top class players coming through the youth system. He was also taking over a team that narrowly missed out on winning the league.It's proof that Erik has failed his number one responsibility and perhaps the primary reason he was acquired at first instance and that's to effectively coach this team.
By his own admission in Neville's interview, he alluded that he was incapable of playing a specific system unless Frenkie De Jong was signed. It's absolutely pathetic that the entire identity of a team would hinge on one signing. If INEOS determine that they want United to play a specific way and hire a manager behind those intentions, Erik's experience shouldn't be used as an example to highlight a flaw in that approach.
Klopp did that, though he did also play Fabinho at CB when Liverpool had their crisis a few years back.If we are that decimated with injuries why has the manager not introduced more academy player's ? What had he to lose, surely it is time's like this to give them a run out.
Those that want to see the football that Ajax played, they will never see that. It's not my words, it's straight from the horse's mouth.How do you know what those people want to see?
Imo they know something.Agree completely, and while not saying McLaren as an interim, I can't see how it could be much worse.
What surprised me is how highly Owen and Scholes seem to rate McLaren as a coach and how they seem to think that he's having little to no input as a coach under ten Hag.
It was rumoured the other day that it would cost 20m to get rid of him and all his staff. Does that affect FFP and then not getting CL as well.They may just want to bite the bullet and get rid of him for nothing. It might work out alright, but it could go even more horribly wrong.I can't understand that there's virtually no talk of him being sacked. Yes, there's only a few games left but we still have a lot to play for. In Ratcliffe's first interview he spoke about how important it was to qualify for the CL for FFP reasons. Clearly that's long gone but financially it's important to qualify for Europe and we still have opportunities to do that whilst also winning a trophy. You have to give the team the best possible chance to do so and that's without Ten Hag.
I almost feel sorry for the players at this point, certainly the younger ones. They've been made to look incompetent all season by his tactics, everyone can see how bad we are in nearly every game, you even have coaches and players from opposition sides talking about it. Add in the fallouts with Ronaldo and Sancho (even if he was right), the way De Gea's exit was handled, the Liverpool defeat last year and they've had plenty of opportunities where they could have downed tools before now. If they've finally given up on him then who can really blame them?
Him putting Wheatley on at 4-0....what was the young lad to do? Suffer through the ignominy of losing to such a score line while Eze was taking the piss out of them.Not only did it lead to that result, but you cannot keep putting Mainoo in those situations and think its not going to affect him. That kind of thing destroys confidence. And that is what we are doing to our best prosects.
Very well debated. Cheers.Poor Timbo
I doubt it, this team has horrendous mentality, they're on the beach already. Wouldn't be surprised to see a few lazy red cards so they don't have to finish out the season.We just MIGHT get a couple of performances out of this rabble if we put interim in charge until summer, however there is no way that INEOS put one in place with only 4 games left. Moyes got sacked and Giggs took reins but that was a couple of weeks earlier.
At this point it genuinely doesn't matter. We cannot actually get worse than this, and keeping ten Hag for the cup final is rewarding that whilst delaying our ability to actively go for other managers.Who do you put in charge for a few games? And they will have to deal with the injuries as well. Basically we are in deep, deep shiit.
What is the cost differential between sacking him and the Europa/Conference money for next season? I think sacking him would be cheaper than not getting any European football at all.It was rumoured the other day that it would cost 20m to get rid of him and all his staff. Does that affect FFP and then not getting CL as well.They may just want to bite the bullet and get rid of him for nothing. It might work out alright, but it could go even more horribly wrong.
The most recent talk was it being ~9m to sack him prior to the 25% no-CL pay-cut. I really can't see how the total amount would get close to 20m.It was rumoured the other day that it would cost 20m to get rid of him and all his staff. Does that affect FFP and then not getting CL as well.They may just want to bite the bullet and get rid of him for nothing. It might work out alright, but it could go even more horribly wrong.
So we sell Rashford, get rid of Antony, Casemiro and Varane, sell two squad players who barely play in Lindelof and Malacia.Not sure it is even weeding them out, they are in plain sight, sell Rashford, sell Casemiro, let Varane go, get rid of AWB, where is Lindelof and Malacia are they injured or just don't fancy it too much. Sell Sancho, I would even sell the joke of a goalkeeper. Is Shaw worth keeping as injured too often. These younger players need good influences not ones who show complete disrespect to whichever manager is in charge. Oh and I forgot Antony.
Given where Bayern are right now in their search for a Tuchel replacement, negotiating a smooth divorce and him parachuting into that job without either a pay-out or Bayern paying a release fee would work. For the sake of trying to score a couple of million from Bayern for a 'release', the calculation around holding-off is not great considering how much United would have to pay to just sack him instead ( definitely not 20m, given the CL non-qualification clause that has been mentioned in dispatches, but still likely over 10m if we include staff) and how delay also affects prep for next season.It was rumoured the other day that it would cost 20m to get rid of him and all his staff. Does that affect FFP and then not getting CL as well.They may just want to bite the bullet and get rid of him for nothing. It might work out alright, but it could go even more horribly wrong.
Carrick was okay for those two games when Ole got canned. Give it McClaren. It genuinely can't be any worse than the slop we are currently serving up.Who do you put in charge for a few games? And they will have to deal with the injuries as well. Basically we are in deep, deep shiit.
Please give me your ratings Eric?I rate this post lower than Antony his rating
No, thats from the Drogba offside goal season in 2009/2010. Didnt win the league that year.Carrick played in defence for us quite a few games. I think we won the league that season.
8's and 9's all round. A highly entertaining and dynamic bunch of ladsPlease give me your ratings Eric?
There is nothing to debate anymore. The only toxic thing is this embarrassing, blind trust in the manager that no other fanbase has. The sooner we get rid of the manager ****, the better.Very well debated. Cheers.
Jose on a month long contract.Who do you put in charge for a few games? And they will have to deal with the injuries as well. Basically we are in deep, deep shiit.
fecking well said, I agree with every bit of that. I'm surprised about McClaren being so highly rated but Fergie isn't daft. Ten Hag looks like an absolute fraud right now.
Very interesting defence of McLaren from Michael Owen and Scholes.
No he won’t.Still 4 points to go but 1 game less to play. Race is on. Can he deliver a season better than 21-22, our worst ever?
There will always be a swing back to yes as the week goes on and fully expect that againSurprised the amount of people that want an interim isn't much higher honestly.
Owen and Scholesy video actually make a lot of sense in that clip, not sure on Steve as the interim, but leave him there and get any other manager in could work too imo
Put it this way, after that result? There's no f in way that he's manager next season.
Take any of McClaren/Ole/Rooney/Giggs/Fletcher heck even Keano just to see who could surviveWho do you put in charge for a few games? And they will have to deal with the injuries as well. Basically we are in deep, deep shiit.
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I wish you well with your sentiment but after a season of 18 defeats, and breaking all kinds of negative records, I can’t agree with you there. The manager doesn’t show the willingness to be adaptable to his circumstances. This has been the biggest shit show season and yet he doubles down. He’s talking himself into getting fired.Very well debated. Cheers.