Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager

Injuries could potentially justify finishing behind Villa and Spurs. But we finished behind Chelsea and Newcastle as well, who have struggled with injuries as well and were behind us basically until month ago or so. 8th is bad, -1 GD is really bad, performances are poor, all the stats indicate we're more of a midtable team than being close to those around 4th.

It won't be decided just based on cup final game, but that game could be significant in final decision. Win and it's 2 trophies in 2 seasons after 6 years without trophies and a positive vibe to bring into July and August with new structure coming in which could be seen as help to ten Hag to improve (not sure it will but that would be the narrative). They'd probably extend his contract until 2026 as well to strenghten his position a bit (wouldn't gamble with longer contract) and see how he does in 3rd season.

However, if we lose the final (and with a shite performance) that could lean INEOS towards sacking him as I think negativity would prevail and be bad for next season which I think was the case with Ole in 2021 after EL final and perhaps in 2018 with Mourinho after we lost Fa Cup final to Chelsea.

Think if ten Hag stays probably it'll just be turn out to be delayed sack and they let him go in October-December period like with previous 2 managers.

Redstain said:

I think Eric's erratic comments are in line with his uncertainty over his future. I wouldn't look into it too much, I think the sooner this season ends the better the last game of the season couldn't come soon enough.

Hopefully INEOS show some bottle and annunciate within the upcoming week what the intentions are with this manager. Irrespective of being Eth in or out the hierarchy should have given a clear indication of what the intentions are, not journalistic pieces with assumptive writing and the "it's believed United will" nonsense that's been peddled the last few months.

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Don't see anything happening until following week as it's a bank holiday too which will slow things

croadyman said:

Don't see anything happening until following week as it's a bank holiday too which will slow things

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And the stock market has to reopen innit

BorisManUtd said:

Injuries could potentially justify finishing behind Villa and Spurs. But we finished behind Chelsea and Newcastle as well, who have struggled with injuries as well and were behind us basically until month ago or so. 8th is bad, -1 GD is really bad, performances are poor, all the stats indicate we're more of a midtable team than being close to those around 4th.

It won't be decided just based on cup final game, but that game could be significant in final decision. Win and it's 2 trophies in 2 seasons after 6 years without trophies and a positive vibe to bring into July and August with new structure coming in which could be seen as help to ten Hag to improve (not sure it will but that would be the narrative). They'd probably extend his contract until 2026 as well to strenghten his position a bit (wouldn't gamble with longer contract) and see how he does in 3rd season.

However, if we lose the final (and with a shite performance) that could lean INEOS towards sacking him as I think negativity would prevail and be bad for next season which I think was the case with Ole in 2021 after EL final and perhaps in 2018 with Mourinho after we lost Fa Cup final to Chelsea.

Think if ten Hag stays probably it'll just be turn out to be delayed sack and they let him go in October-December period like with previous 2 managers.

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If INEOS struggle to identify a replacement this summer, it will be substantially more difficult in the early half of the following season.

As per the tweet posted a few pages back it's a situation where given Ratcliffe's comments on intending to challenge within a 36 month period having Erik go into the following campaign without renewing his contract is about the same as saying the hierarchy don't support him. For me it's a nonsensical position to be in if the owners intend to be diligent.

ayushreddevil9 said:

So you would take Southgate?

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Well, I’m not at all keen. I suppose I might have taken Southgate as a stopgap this year as things were so bad. But I’d prefer someone else. For sure. Uncertain who, though, I must admit.

Seriously, all those on this forum who wish to keep Ten Hag, please tell us what positives there are in our play to suggest that we will improve? I'll listen.

VP89 said:

Here's a very good article that dives into the injury impact without focusing solely on absolute number of injuries. From the Athletic.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/54...ed-injury-analysis?source=user-shared-article

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The problem is that we were poor even before the injuries set in. Infact we were poor from pre-season and haven't improved at all. Our first of very very few convincing performances was at the end of November vs Everton. We were gobshite before and after that until the West ham game. This last match sums us up perfectly, winning but absolutely outplayed by an Inferior opponent.

mintyred said:

His comments had nothing to do with football heritage. He just trying to say he’s still doing better than the last guy.

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He absolutely should not say that. He is favourably comparing this season to that one. After spending 400M, we got 2 more points this season. Bravo!

BenitoSTARR said:

For what it’s worth I am not “pro” Ten Hag.

That implies I actively support him. I am happy to provide context as to why I’ve not fully condemned him and that’s about as “pro” as I can muster.

I’m not pro him in the same way I’d be pro Mainoo for example.

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I don't think you get the point. We were terrible at the beginning of the season when our players were fit, we were terrible mid season and we have been terrible at the end of the season. The matches we won, we were outplayed and every opponent bar the absolute gave us problems.

The problem isn't just injuries to defenders rather it is being very very easy to play against and complete lack of control. Teams just need 2 to 3 passes and they'd be in our area with the defense completely exposed. Even Burnley at home (you said it was a good performance) gave us problems and honestly, we looked no different from them in our play; giving the ball away at every opportunity.

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Thank feck someone else has flagged that.

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If you aren't pro Ten Hag than you need to stop making excuses for him. Simple.

Devil81 said:

Can't vote until next Saturday night. If he wins that he saves his job for me and he gets a season under the new regime to turn the league form around.

I think that's the fairest way to judge him, lose the final and zero Europe loses you your job.

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That should be academic as we have finished 8th, jeez it's literally only two spots off mid table. FA Cup win never saved LVG so shouldn't save Erik either.

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His comments had nothing to do with football heritage. He just trying to say he’s still doing better than the last guy.

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It's like saying eating dog shite is better cuz previously you ate horse shite. Being better than the other one doesnt mean he's good. Anyhow I actually think our players are flattering our league position. We have 44 xPts (+14 differential) while having lower xPts than Crystal Palace to Fulham (10-14th). The only top 10 team with lower xPts than us is West Ham. If anything he's the one holding back our "shite" players. I am not saying all of them have been good, some are utter crap and need to go next season but the players are not as bad as he make us believe. Also it is hinted that all these injuries stemmed from his training methods. Obviously we cant be sure 100% but seeing the way we defend every game just make sense from the injury standpoint. We have no rest defence at all

He needs to be sacked after the cup final, win or lose. 8th is never good enough. There needs to be more media attention on his sacking. The club cannot accept mediocrity.

croadyman said:

That should be academic as we have finished 8th, jeez it's literally only two spots off mid table. FA Cup win never saved LVG so shouldn't save Erik either.

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8th is by the by for me. Would 6th have made me feel any better or worse given what we’ve seen over the season? No

What I do find more of note is that the football has so often been wildly chaotic, so obviously flawed and lacking in execution in both defence, transition and attack. It’s pretty impressive to be shit at basically everything.

It’s always annoying to draw parallels with any other managerial situation because every club has its own set of circumstances. However, the comparison to Arteta is too tempting. Back to back 8th placed finishes with a cup win. A big rebuild needed including letting aging overpaid stars leave. The obvious caveat is we know Arteta has then gone on to a couple of decent title challenges while you can’t know or have confidence in Ten Hag doing so.

I do think though this boom and bust cycle of qualifying for the CL, then dropping to 5th-6th and Europa league has done us more harm at times. Every time we think we are ‘back’ we end up accelerating our rebuild by signing an aging star or some other poorly thought out idea. Finishing 8th may finally bring about a real change on that front.

sparx99 said:

8th is by the by for me. Would 6th have made me feel any better or worse given what we’ve seen over the season? No

What I do find more of note is that the football has so often been wildly chaotic, so obviously flawed and lacking in execution in both defence, transition and attack. It’s pretty impressive to be shit at basically everything.

It’s always annoying to draw parallels with any other managerial situation because every club has its own set of circumstances. However, the comparison to Arteta is too tempting. Back to back 8th placed finishes with a cup win. A big rebuild needed including letting aging overpaid stars leave. The obvious caveat is we know Arteta has then gone on to a couple of decent title challenges while you can’t know or have confidence in Ten Hag doing so.

I do think though this boom and bust cycle of qualifying for the CL, then dropping to 5th-6th and Europa league has done us more harm at times. Every time we think we are ‘back’ we end up accelerating our rebuild by signing an aging star or some other poorly thought out idea. Finishing 8th may finally bring about a real change on that front.

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Arteta never had a poor this season as this nor was he as backed initially financially,

The comparison makes no sense. There was linear progression with Arteta.

We saw some progression in the 1st season and then a massive regression under ETH.

I don't understand why people keep trying to salvage something from this awful season.

Eddy_JukeZ said:

Arteta never had a poor this season as this nor was he as backed initially financially,

The comparison makes no sense. There was linear progression with Arteta.

We saw some progression in the 1st season and then a massive regression under ETH.

I don't understand why people keep trying to salvage something from this awful season.

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Arteta finished 8th twice in a row and Ten Hag finished 3rd and 8th.

I don‘t know, the ‚regression‘ could have something to do with the injuries and the fact that we‘ve had one striker all season pretty much. A very inexperienced one.

Eddy_JukeZ said:

Arteta never had a poor this season as this nor was he as backed initially financially,

The comparison makes no sense. There was linear progression with Arteta.

We saw some progression in the 1st season and then a massive regression under ETH.

I don't understand why people keep trying to salvage something from this awful season.

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Klopp had an awful season last season too, sometimes there can be a drop off.

I think not everything is always within a managers control

Forget the ETH in or out debate for a second.

Shouldn’t our players do the simple things right like passing, pressing, managing the press etc, positioning? We struggle with the basics that every professional footballer would be expected to do no matter the position they are playing or their seniority in the team.

I can’t see how United will succeed unless the basics are ironed out. Feels so strange to be saying this about a club like ours.

I don’t know if the above is on ETH, the players, the coaches or someone else but it needs sorting asap.

JogaBonitoRooney said:

He needs to be sacked after the cup final, win or lose. 8th is never good enough. There needs to be more media attention on his sacking. The club cannot accept mediocrity.

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In truth he has had an easy enough time from the press for the most part. For his signings he should be sacked at least.

90 min more. I already wrote to trust to Hasan Salihamidzic aka Brazza aka gona work in HSV next year.

DRJosh said:

Forget the ETH in or out debate for a second.

Shouldn’t our players do the simple things right like passing, pressing, managing the press etc, positioning? We struggle with the basics that every professional footballer would be expected to do no matter the position they are playing or their seniority in the team.

I can’t see how United will succeed unless the basics are ironed out. Feels so strange to be saying this about a club like ours.

I don’t know if the above is on ETH, the players, the coaches or someone else but it needs sorting asap.

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I agree with this. The amount of times I watch our players and wonder if they were dropped on their head as a kid is plentiful. We just don't have or create/buy a lot of intelligent footballers. Even the ones we have like Mainoo are introduced to randomball and start picking up bad habits.

TheNewEra said:

Klopp had an awful season last season too, sometimes there can be a drop off.

I think not everything is always within a managers control

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But the major issue this season is the very thing that is clearly within his control: how he sets the team up. For me, everything comes back to this.

Even if you give him the benefit of the doubt and assume our injuries are nothing to do with his training methods or tactics (and I’m not so sure how sound that assumption is), he has shown zero ability to respond pragmatically and address the very obvious tactical failings that everyone else can see. The football has been awful - exposed defensively in the same ways again and again, no functional midfield, and no attacking cohesion or identifiable patterns of play in the final third. If the stats weren’t damning enough, surely just watching this Groundhog Day of chaos ball is.

Zumbi said:

But the major issue this season is the very thing that is clearly within his control: how he sets the team up. For me, everything comes back to this.

Even if you give him the benefit of the doubt and assume our injuries are nothing to do with his training methods or tactics (and I’m not so sure how sound that assumption is), he has shown zero ability to respond pragmatically and address the very obvious tactical failings that everyone else can see. The football has been awful - exposed defensively in the same ways again and again, no functional midfield, and no attacking cohesion or identifiable patterns of play in the final third. If the stats weren’t damning enough, surely just watching this Groundhog Day of chaos ball is.

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Exactly. How the hell can people have sat thru this whole season and forget the continual trash we were served

DRJosh said:

Forget the ETH in or out debate for a second.

Shouldn’t our players do the simple things right like passing, pressing, managing the press etc, positioning? We struggle with the basics that every professional footballer would be expected to do no matter the position they are playing or their seniority in the team.

I can’t see how United will succeed unless the basics are ironed out. Feels so strange to be saying this about a club like ours.

I don’t know if the above is on ETH, the players, the coaches or someone else but it needs sorting asap.

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Of course the manager is responsible for a player not able to make a simple 5 yard pass.

NLunited said:

Arteta finished 8th twice in a row and Ten Hag finished 3rd and 8th.

I don‘t know, the ‚regression‘ could have something to do with the injuries and the fact that we‘ve had one striker all season pretty much. A very inexperienced one.

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And the injuries could have something to do with the manager's choices regarding whether to rotate or not and the intensity of training, while his exceptionally high net expenditure in year 1 had consequences for the amount of transfer funds in subsequent years.

Managerial choices have consequences. We finished 8th due to those choices. Ten Hag's fingerprints are all over the crime scene.

If you use a central midfield partnership of Casemiro + Eriksen in year 1 then quite frankly, you deserve what you get in year 2; performance decline is almost inevitable. Ten Hag thought spending £55m on Mason Mount was the answer; yet another blunder.

Ten Hag is probably an elite Eredivisie manager but when it comes to the PL, it he has made some absolutely bizarre decisions from strategy to tactics, player identification, team preparation and so on.

Our season was saved from being completely disastrous by players individual quality in way more games than it was by our manager.
The audacity to blame "the players"....

NLunited said:

Arteta finished 8th twice in a row and Ten Hag finished 3rd and 8th.

I don‘t know, the ‚regression‘ could have something to do with the injuries and the fact that we‘ve had one striker all season pretty much. A very inexperienced one.

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Arteta finished in 8th, after being appointed while they were in 10th.

Also, it's not just the position in the league that people criticize Ten Hag.

Arteta
8th, 56 goals, +8 GD, 47 xG (13th), xPts 50.2 (9th)
8th, 55 goals, +16 GD, 51.8 xG (10th), xGD +8 (7th), xPts 58.7 (8th)
5th, 61 goals, +13 GD, 60.5 xG (5th), xPts 64.7( 5th)
2nd, 88 goals, +45 GD, 71.9 xG (5th), xPts 72.5 (2nd)
2nd, 89 goals, +69 GD, 73.2 xG (4th), xPts 81.9 (2nd)

-Improvement every step of the way
-Performances equaling their results

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3rd, 58 goals, +15 GD, 67.7 xG (6th), 66.4 xPts (6th)
8th, 57 goals, -1 GD, 56.3 xG (10th), -12.8 xGD, +44.4 xPts (15th)

United result wise are actually doing better than what their performances actually show, which is what almost everyone that watches United will tell you via the eye test. That's not a good sign at all.

So United are scoring the same amount of goals as Arsenal in Arteta's 8th place side, should probably score 4 more than Arteta, but defensively United are conceding far more than Arteta's side, and are expected to finish far worse than they really did. So United tactically through their performances are showing that even though they are scoring as much, and should be scoring barely a hair over what Arteta's 8th place side did, are only able to achieve that mark by setting themselves up in a way that they sacrifice defensive stability in a terrible way.

I don't see how you find that acceptable. Even if you ignore the fact that United outspent Arteta by 200m euros (if you generously include the first season that Arteta was not included in the transfer period decisions), why would you believe in Ten Hag's set up that only gives you Arteta 8th place side attack, while giving United its Premier League 6th worst defensive side? Usually you can justify suicide football by the massive uptick in attacking performance. You don't get that with United's set up.

For example, Ange actually has Spurs with an expected goals conceded just below United's (14th best or 7th worst defensive side), but with the bonus of giving Spurs its 6th best attacking side in the PL (expecting 13 more goals than United). You can point to a clear benefit of his style of football. United really is just suicide football. Ten Hag is giving us midtable attacking output with relegation level defense. So on an entertainment level, United are boring to watch in attack, while making us feel like we just stole points away from the opposition.

So that concludes the worst PL campaign post Fergie and the worst CL campaign ever (?). And our football is both ugly and chaotic. And most of the transfers, which have cost a fortune, are dodgy at best.

If he doesn't get sacked this summer and manage to revover from this, then it will be quite the comeback story.

Fingers crossed for the FA cup final. We need a miracle

golden_blunder said:

The possibility also exists that he’s a totally unsuitable manager, who was dealt a shite hand and doesn’t have the skill set to cope with those kind of challenges

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Absolutely it does. I’m not sure a totally unsuitable manager would be able to get 3rd, a cup and develop the likes of Mainoo, Garnacho and Dalot.

There’s a good manager there. Especially considering the non football related issues he’s dealt with. The issue is our club in its previous form probably required you to be not just good but arguably the greatest ever to get a tune out of it.

Ten Hag is obviously nowhere near that level.

Alpha 1 said:

Seriously, all those on this forum who wish to keep Ten Hag, please tell us what positives there are in our play to suggest that we will improve? I'll listen.

The problem is that we were poor even before the injuries set in. Infact we were poor from pre-season and haven't improved at all. Our first of very very few convincing performances was at the end of November vs Everton. We were gobshite before and after that until the West ham game. This last match sums us up perfectly, winning but absolutely outplayed by an Inferior opponent.

He absolutely should not say that. He is favourably comparing this season to that one. After spending 400M, we got 2 more points this season. Bravo!

I don't think you get the point. We were terrible at the beginning of the season when our players were fit, we were terrible mid season and we have been terrible at the end of the season. The matches we won, we were outplayed and every opponent bar the absolute gave us problems.

The problem isn't just injuries to defenders rather it is being very very easy to play against and complete lack of control. Teams just need 2 to 3 passes and they'd be in our area with the defense completely exposed. Even Burnley at home (you said it was a good performance) gave us problems and honestly, we looked no different from them in our play; giving the ball away at every opportunity.

If you aren't pro Ten Hag than you need to stop making excuses for him. Simple.

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To be fair, we had a poor preseason prep and the players were still coming to terms with how ETH wanted to play. Not to say that isn't his fault, but I can empathise with him on the poor performances at the start of the season, before the injuries. The team needed time to gel.

I'm neither pro nor anti Ten Hag.

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Having six defenders out all at once is a bit worse, weird you are making this point.

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The main point is that defensive injuries to starters didn't even make the team worse; it actually improved. If team performance were a direct function of injuries then this would be impossible.

United have defensive injuries, sure. They are still fielding defenders. It's not like they were playing with four strikers at CB, RB, and LB.

All the defensive injuries do not explain the horrible home record. Do yourselves a favour (or don't) and check out the teams we lost or drew to at home.

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I'm waiting on yours too mate.

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I've given an article that has given the whole explanation to you.
You've given nothing. You haven't even given any source of your findings.

stevoc said:

I've been tryng to ascertain which side has had the most defensive injuries this season. Your post earlier today seemed to suggest you had information that confirmed it was United.



Is that the case or did I misinterpret your post?

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My post was about United being disrupted most by injuries, through concentration and frequency. Not about an absolute number. I provided an article which explains this.

NLunited said:

Arteta finished 8th twice in a row and Ten Hag finished 3rd and 8th.

I don‘t know, the ‚regression‘ could have something to do with the injuries and the fact that we‘ve had one striker all season pretty much. A very inexperienced one.

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I have to credit some of you. You never give up.

TheNewEra said:

Klopp had an awful season last season too, sometimes there can be a drop off.

I think not everything is always within a managers control

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Nowhere near as awful as our season and Klopp has infinitely way more goodwill. We had a negative GD for the season.

Do some of you even realize how poor we were this season?

Some on here made up their mind that ETH is 'the messiah' or 'the man' to lead us back to the top. And no amount of evidence that points to that being highly improbable is ever recognized. It is always brushed aside.

There is always some excuse every single time without fail.

I mean, if a manager needs a 100% ideal working situation, why even have managers in the 1st place? People keep citing injuries when other squads had more injuries and achieved better results. It's actually sad how far standards have fallen for some fans.

Pronewbie said:

To be fair, we had a poor preseason prep and the players were still coming to terms with how ETH wanted to play. Not to say that isn't his fault, but I can empathise with him on the poor performances at the start of the season, before the injuries. The team needed time to gel.

I'm neither pro nor anti Ten Hag.

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Excuses, excuses. When will they end.

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My post was about United being disrupted most by injuries, through concentration and frequency. Not about an absolute number. I provided an article which explains this.

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Did u watch us since the beginning of the season?

Our play through the season regardless whether the players were there or not, whether it was beginning, mid or end was characterised by:
1. Being very very easy to play through courtesy of a massive gap between the midfield and defense.
2. Inability to keep the ball and thus being unable to control the game against ANY opponent.
3. Total lack of fluidity going forward.

All this is courtesy of Ten Hag's chaotic football. Our 8th place actually flatters us if you look at the expected points table; we've been very lucky.

He is the main problem. His and your excuses do not absolve him AND his frequent comparisons to past unsuccessful seasons comes across as pathetic.

This is a guy that lost 7-0 to Liverpool. If a Madrid manager lost 7-0 to Barcelona, they’d be Game of Thrones’d. Naked and beaten, walking the streets with a bell shouting shame. And then fecked and burned alive by an actual dragon. I’d venture, the metaphorical equivalent would happen to Bayern manager losing 7-0 to Dortmund, or AC manager to Inter. Heck, a Swansea manager to Cardiff.

But over a year later, as the team has actually gone significantly backwards from that dark day, we’ve suffered our worst ever PL campaign in terms of position, points, goals scored, goals conceded, defeats (19 across all competitions, 19!!!!!!!!), shots conceded, goal difference, and just about every metric you care to cite; we are still talking, and debating, about the impact of injuries and the need for patience.

The standards at this club have sunk so low, that we don’t even have a vague concept of what excellence means anymore, The fans, on the last home game of the season, sung his name and applauded the players. This absolute circus of festering shite was applauded and serenaded. We make fun of the white hankies, but seriously tell me who should be laughing at who; because there’s no moral superiority to be had here. This club is an absolute laughing stock, and even worse than that, it’s become a complete irrelevance in a competitive sense.

If this man keeps his job, then we may as well settle in for the long spit-roast. Because that’s how fecked we’ll be. In fact, if Ineos don’t act with utter, cold hearted ruthlessness, then we don’t stand a chance of getting back to the top. The pressure won’t come from the fans. And the Glazers give the square root of feck all. By my measurement, there are 14 players in the first team squad (including those currently out on loan) that are not fit for purpose at a top level club. There are a further 3-4 who could be easily shipped on if the offer is good enough and the replacements available.

Through a combination of performance, FFP considerations, potential, replacement cost, and home grown status, the only players I’d be likely to keep this summer are:

Onana (FFP),
Dalot (performance),
Kambwala (potential, HG),
Evans (cheap, HG, leadership),
Martinez (performance/potential/leadership),
Shaw (replacement cost, HG)
Mainoo (performance/potential, HG)
Bruno (performance/leadership)
Mount (FFP, HG)
Rashford (Replacment cost, HG)
Diallo (Potential)
Hojlund (FFP, potential)
Garnacho (Potential, HG)

I’d sell or release all the rest if I could, because they are either grossly overpaid, just not good enough, or both. Approximately 15-16 players. I don’t know how many of those we can actually feck off, but at least 10 I’d hope. And if we don’t have any European football next season, we may as well get rid of all 15-16, because we won’t need such a big squad next season. It’s hard to factor that in, because it’s been several decades since we had no European football, of any variety, at all.

I wonder whether we can afford to sign a top manager tbh. The amounts quoted to Liverpool for Slot and Amorim seem ludicrous. We're already spending a fair few quid on our backroom staff quite possibly, and there's a lot of signings needed for the playing staff. We're in a tough position this summer I think (again). I do have hope that this pressure will ease in the next year though as we get rid of more of the absolute wasters we've collected over the years.

I think Tuchel is a good coach but I'm not sure he's suited to a young team like ours and I'm not really impressed by Potter or De Zerbi so not sure who we go for if we don't want to spunk double figures millions on them.

I don't know why people would expect a high placement with the likes of AWB, McT, Maguire, Mount, Anthony (yes he did buy him). Case and Eriksen both lost their legs. Rashford's been AWOL for a whole season now. Holjund is too young and can't carry a team. Half the squad wouldn't make a mid table team. Mounting injuries upon injuries. The beating from Palace was bad but look at their run after City.

Give him another season. Sell some players to the Saudi league, get some quality in (but certainly don't let Erik have the final say).

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I don't know why people would expect a high placement with the likes of AWB, McT, Maguire, Mount, Anthony (yes he did buy him). Case and Eriksen both lost their legs. Rashford's been AWOL for a whole season now. Holjund is too young and can't carry a team. Half the squad wouldn't make a mid table team. Mounting injuries upon injuries. The beating from Palace was bad but look at their run after City.

Give him another season. Sell some players to the Saudi league, get some quality in (but certainly don't let Erik have the final say).

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He also bought Eriken and Casemiro, kept playing Rashford and Antony for so many when their performances never warranted it. This notion that the bad hand he was dealt rendering him blame free for all the terrible home results is funny.

Gfooty said:

I don't know why people would expect a high placement with the likes of AWB, McT, Maguire, Mount, Anthony (yes he did buy him). Case and Eriksen both lost their legs. Rashford's been AWOL for a whole season now. Holjund is too young and can't carry a team. Half the squad wouldn't make a mid table team. Mounting injuries upon injuries. The beating from Palace was bad but look at their run after City.

Give him another season. Sell some players to the Saudi league, get some quality in (but certainly don't let Erik have the final say).

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We expect even the reserves in our squad to be fully capable of dispatching the likes of Newport county, Coventry city or bottom of the table PL teams. We needed a fecking screamer by Bruno to beat Sheffield. The only reason we are talking about miracles in the FA cup final is the INSANE LUCK we've had with Coventry 4th goal being 0.000001 inches offside.

You can write about players losing their legs or being mediocre or whatever. But SURELY you have to see that our setup, approach and general tactics are horrible?! Whatever Ten Hag wants to do, is making the players look worse than they are.

By the way, yesterday we would have been 3-0 down at half time if it wasn't for Casemiro, the legless.

Toshey said:

We expect even the reserves in our squad to be fully capable of dispatching the likes of Newport county, Coventry city or bottom of the table PL teams. We needed a fecking screamer by Bruno to beat Sheffield. The only reason we are talking about miracles in the FA cup final is the INSANE LUCK we've had with Coventry 4th goal being 0.000001 inches offside.

You can write about players losing their legs or being mediocre or whatever. But SURELY you have to see that our setup, approach and general tactics are horrible?! Whatever Ten Hag wants to do, is making the players look worse than they are.

By the way, yesterday we would have been 3-0 down at half time if it wasn't for Casemiro, the legless.

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Even last season when we won the Carabao Cup, we had a good run of favorable draws at OT.

kouroux said:

He also bought Eriken and Casemiro, kept playing Rashford and Antony for so many when their performances never warranted it. This notion that the bad hand he was dealt rendering him blame free for all the terrible home results is funny.

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I don't think anyone has said he's blame free.