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Looking at Morata's performance tonight it might take him another 400 minutes to score his next goalIn 400 more minutes of football.
Looking at Morata's performance tonight it might take him another 400 minutes to score his next goalIn 400 more minutes of football.
I'm not sad that Morata missed all his chances. I just think these blips in form are temporary. The kid will rebound, as will Lukaku. Both quality players.I used the word 'lethal' for a reason. Diego Costa (a bit like Drogba) always pops up with a goal when you need him to.
I would take Costa over Morata (and Lukaku in case someone thinks i'm being biased) because he does more for the team and scores important goals.
Costa has been instrumental in two title winning teams with classical counter attacking managers. He is a premium no.9. Far above the level of Morata.
Lukaku isn't elite, he's not the comparison or the benchmark.. according to you anyway. 35-40 goals you predicted at the end of season for Morata, up there with world's best by end of season which means at the level of Lewandowski and Kane. Hence, my post.Never said he is better than Kane. Just that he hasn't played nearly the same amount of minutes as other strikers like Kane and Lukaku. His goals to minutes ratio is still far better than Lukaku's this year.
Feck...I thought I was in the Morata v Lukaku thread.Lukaku isn't elite, he's not the comparison or the benchmark.. according to you anyway. 35-40 goals you predicted at the end of season for Morata, up there with world's best by end of season which means at the level of Lewandowski and Kane. Hence, my post.
Costa did score 27 goals in La Liga in 13/14. Or were you only referring to his Chelsea days?He isn't really. Costa never knocked in more than 20 league goals which is exactly where Morata is heading this year. He had a bad game and is off form, which happens.
He's played 1,342 minutes in the league - more than he did across the entirety of last season, and more than e.g. Rooney would typically would in an average half-season. And Morata managed to score 15 league goals in those fewer league minutes at Madrid. Given you said this just a couple of months ago...Not at all. He's on 12 goals at the half way mark in fairly limited playing time.
...it brings us back to this point:Not particularly surprising. So far he's doing it at around the same rate he did it in Spain last year.
Did he suddenly get worse, playing about double the amount of games?Do you think quality footballers lose their ability to play football based on whether they are subbed on or not ?
I don't know how you think the numbers add up to your initial predictions being realistic...but hey-ho. Psychology and all that.If he's Chelsea's main striker, which he will be, then 50 appearances in all comps is very possible and 35 goals pretty realistic.
Had this exact thought watching the game. Was always an assumption that you need a 25-goal-a-season striker to win the league. But when I think about it, there are fewer and fewer of these types of strikers at the top clubs these days.Lukaku v Morata, the striker position is at a low ebb if they are the 2 best candidates available.
Perhaps all the strikers are just playing wide forward in this era.
You can't know those things. Jose has absolutely praised him about his effort and commitment. Lukaku never had a shocker in front of the opposition goal as Morata did tonight. He actually was very good vs Arsenal. He fecked it up against City thoughI'm sure both managers are frustrated with both strikers at the moment. Conte is probably a bit more visceral about it, where as Jose seems to prefer deflecting it to avoid heaping more pressure on Rom.
And that works both ways. Maybe if we rested him more often, we would have reaped the rewards of a fresher striker.In 400 more minutes of football.
He's actually played 1432. Lukaku has 1814He's played 1,342 minutes in the league - more than he did across the entirety of last season. And he managed to score 15 league goals in those fewer league minutes at Madrid. Given you said this just a couple of months ago...
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Agreed:Indeed. Safe to say they have both underperformed somewhat this year.
They will both improve. Both are quality players who are not nearly playing to their full potential at the moment.Agreed:
League and Europe 2017/18
Kane - Goal every 87.7 minutes
Salah - 94.7
Sterling - 101.6
Aguero - 104.3
Firmino - 134.1
Jesus - 136.5
Rooney - 145.1
Morata - 162.3
Lukaku - 167
Lacazette - 190.9
Not very impressive at all.
Rooney outperforming Morata, Lukaku and Lacazette. How embarrassingAgreed:
League and Europe 2017/18
Kane - Goal every 87.7 minutes
Salah - 94.7
Sterling - 101.6
Aguero - 104.3
Firmino - 134.1
Jesus - 136.5
Rooney - 145.1
Morata - 162.3
Lukaku - 167
Lacazette - 190.9
Not very impressive at all.
Agreed. Both good players. How good they will be is up in the air though. Interested to see what Lukaku's mental strength is like. Wonder if Morata can kick on and be a #1 striker consistently.They will both improve. Both are quality players who are not nearly playing to their full potential at the moment.
LolThat was worse than any Torres performance I've ever seen. Morata was horrendous. He cost us 3 point today.
Want to see Conte back Morata after that shit show now.
For strikers at new clubs yeah, surprised to see Lacazette that low. No peep from media about him under performing though.Agreed:
League and Europe 2017/18
Kane - Goal every 87.7 minutes
Salah - 94.7
Sterling - 101.6
Aguero - 104.3
Firmino - 134.1
Jesus - 136.5
Rooney - 145.1
Morata - 162.3
Lukaku - 167
Lacazette - 190.9
Not very impressive at all.
The wonders of penalties. Non of the other three are regular penalty takers like Rooney is.Rooney outperforming Morata, Lukaku and Lacazette. How embarrassing
Kane is completely ridiculous. I'd swap £90 mil and Lukaku for him right now.
Harsh but probably true. To think Drogba and Rooney were competing up front for these sides. Standards have dropped across the board when it comes to number 9 IMO.Lukaku v Morata, the striker position is at a low ebb if they are the 2 best candidates available.
Perhaps all the strikers are just playing wide forward in this era.
This is where the mental game kicks in. Both are off form so it will see who has the stronger head game to recover and resume scoring.Agreed. Both good players. How good they will be is up in the air though. Interested to see what Lukaku's mental strength is like. Wonder if Morata can kick on and be a #1 striker consistently.
He tried so hard to give Chelsea a goal in the first half.The feck is Chambers even doing there? Does he even realize what a defender's job is?
Indeed.Lol
Don't get me wrong im not excusing Morata but you have a really selective memory if you think thats worse than anything Torres off all people produced.
Indeed. Safe to say they have both underperformed somewhat this year.
This stat is not fair to someone like Lukaku and to some extend Morata. Their teams ain't overall attacking full stop and create countless chance every games. Sometimes you can feel Lukaku ain't fed enough. Lacazette stats is damning though knowing how Ozil is on form for a while now and Lacazette got a of a decent start earlierAgreed:
League and Europe 2017/18
Kane - Goal every 87.7 minutes
Salah - 94.7
Sterling - 101.6
Aguero - 104.3
Firmino - 134.1
Jesus - 136.5
Rooney - 145.1
Morata - 162.3
Lukaku - 167
Lacazette - 190.9
Not very impressive at all.
To be fair Drogba was at Guingamp at their age.Harsh but probably true. To think Drogba and Rooney were competing up front for these sides. Standards have dropped across the board when it comes to number 9 IMO.
Torres, RVP, Drogba, Rooney, Tevez were the CFs in 2008..
Lukaku, Lacazette, Morata, Firmino (who I do rate).. lots of works in progress compared to those guys and even at City.. Aguero is past his peak and Jesus is overrated
Predictability is never a good thing for an attack. I loved our team in 06/07 with Saha up top and Giggs, Rooney and Ronaldo constantly interchanging positions behind them, none of them tied to feeding a one dimensional goalscorer. Much healthier set up to have that fluidity.Had this exact thought watching the game. Was always an assumption that you need a 25-goal-a-season striker to win the league. But when I think about it, there are fewer and fewer of these types of strikers at the top clubs these days.
Yep, good points. The overall performance of the team can't be ignored in both instances.This stat is not fair to someone like Lukaku and to some extend Morata. Their teams ain't overall attacking full stop and create countless chance every games. Sometimes you can feel Lukaku ain't fed enough. Lacazette stats is damning though knowing how Ozil is on form for a while now and Lacazette got a of a decent start earlier
Rooney at his peak in 09/10, 10/11 and 11/12 played an average of 2,596 league mins. Suárez in 12/13 and 13/14 played an average of 2,960 league mins. Kane in 14/15, 15/16 and 16/17 played an average of 2,829 mins.He's actually played 1432. Lukaku has 1814
He's obviously not a full time striker since his contemporaries have hundreds more minutes of playing time.Rooney at his peak in 09/10, 10/11 and 11/12 played an average of 2,596 league mins. Suárez in 12/13 and 13/14 played an average of 2,960 league mins. Kane in 14/15, 15/16 and 16/17 played an average of 2,829 mins.
Across all of them - the undeniable elite strikers of that period in the PL - the average minutes played was 2,795. Morata is on track to play 2,560 mins.
In other words describing that as fairly limited playing time doesn't make any sense.
Oh man, between this and the Morata fails, I need to watch a tape delayed version of this game.He tried so hard to give Chelsea a goal in the first half.
Let me ask you one time question... Did Torres ever miss 3 1 vs 1 in a single game?Lol
Don't get me wrong im not excusing Morata but you have a really selective memory if you think thats worse than anything Torres off all people produced.
I think you might be missing something here. If multiple top managers have limited his game time, the fact that he doesnt get more game time is usually a mark against him.He's obviously not a full time striker since his contemporaries have hundreds more minutes of playing time.
At some point he gave them the ball like three times in a row and was like: "you guys do not want to score?"Oh man, between this and the Morata fails, I need to watch a tape delayed version of this game.
That's an interesting way of looking at it. I suppose there are traditional forwards out there such as Harry Kane and Robert Leeandoski but they are few and far between.Predictability is never a good thing for an attack. I loved our team in 06/07 with Saha up top and Giggs, Rooney and Ronaldo constantly interchanging positions behind them, none of them tied to feeding a one dimensional goalscorer. Much healthier set up to have that fluidity.
The death of traditional wingers(create first) is tied to lower level of out and striker of this era. The reverse true as well, game developed away from that pattern for the moment.
People really are forgetting just how bad Torres was at Chelsea. He was League 1 level, at best.Indeed.
Rooney outperforming Morata, Lukaku and Lacazette. How embarrassing
Kane is completely ridiculous. I'd swap £90 mil and Lukaku for him right now.
If you take penalties out of the equation, then Rooney does indeed drop two places to below Morata and Lukaku. Lacazette remains in last place though!The wonders of penalties. Non of the other three are regular penalty takers like Rooney is.