I read and kept up with the thread too. Was a fun read.
Gaming 1836 - The Europa Universalis 4 Experiment (Hands-off) - Map & stats in second post - Final Map and Stats update - Timelapse video
- Thread starter nimic
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Wait, so I'm back now?There is actually another update to make, but it's not quite that. As I was compiling the stats, a familiar name showed up in the country list.
I can only assume @AnotherLondonManc's last and final war ended with @KirkDuyt either being released, or rebelling. What a late-game comeback!
Yep! 5 years before the end of the game.
1836 - Map and Stats (final)
Final stats update
Okay, the end is here! We've finally reached 1836, after nearly 400 years of imperialism, colonialism and a surprising amount of royal marriages. This will be the last stats and maps update, but I have some other ideas for how to give a final update. Stay tuned for that.
For this update, I'll include everyone who is still alive.
1444 (start date) & country introductions
1472
1502 & country updates
1531
1565
1602 & country updates
1633
1668
1707 & country updates
1747
1795
1836 (end date)
FINAL MAP
Development map of Europe - greener is higher province development (value)
The Holy Roman Empire is dissolved
All of the following stats are Cafites-only.
Development (total value of provinces - colonies contribute 50%)
Prestige (still struggling over failing to crush the revolution)
Power Projection (how much you've bullied rival countries recently)
Total Army size (with colonies)
Total Navy Size (with colonies)
Total monthly income
Treasury size at end of game
Most developed province (PSV and ALM lost Kraków and Cagliari respectively right at the end, which would have been 1st and 4th otherwise)
Every country's best province
Army losses (battles + attrition) <- NOT including colonies
Naval losses <- NOT including colonies
Holy Roman Emperors
Surviving dynasties
de Abizzz: in altodevil and Abizzz
Andycoleno9: in Andycoleno9
hobbers: in Salt Bailly (and the minor country of Wolgast)
Samid: in Samid
Eboue: in Organic Potatoes
Wing Attack Plan R: in Wing Attack Plan R
Religions (changes in bold)
Catholic: Organic Potatoes, BD, Solius, altodevil, Samid, Eboue, Igor Drefljak, AnotherLondonManc, BootsyCollins, KirkDuyt
Protestant: PSV, Andycoleno9, adexkola, VeevaVee
Reformed: V.O., Abizzz
Sunni: Wing Attack Plan R, Walrus, Shakesey, SilentWitness
Orthodox: hobbers, Salt Bailly, P-Nut
Religious Map of Europe (click to expand)
Beyond Europe (click!)
The World
Players no longer with us (9)
Okay, the end is here! We've finally reached 1836, after nearly 400 years of imperialism, colonialism and a surprising amount of royal marriages. This will be the last stats and maps update, but I have some other ideas for how to give a final update. Stay tuned for that.
For this update, I'll include everyone who is still alive.
1444 (start date) & country introductions
1472
1502 & country updates
1531
1565
1602 & country updates
1633
1668
1707 & country updates
1747
1795
1836 (end date)
FINAL MAP
Development map of Europe - greener is higher province development (value)
The Holy Roman Empire is dissolved
All of the following stats are Cafites-only.
Development (total value of provinces - colonies contribute 50%)
- 3557 - @hobbers
- 3397 - @Solius
- 2586 - @RedSky
- 2392 - @Eboue
- 2177 - @Abizzz
- 1818 - @altodevil
- 1693 - @BD
- 1169 - @BootsyCollins
- 1156 - @Samid
- 1153 - @Andycoleno9
- 1090 - @P-Nut
- 1039 - @Salt Bailly
- 1039 - @Wing Attack Plan R
- 956 - @V.O.
- 744 - @PSV
- 514 - @AnotherLondonManc
- 423 - @adexkola
- 247 - @Organic Potatoes (currently at war with his colony OP Mexico, which would add another 331 if retained)
- 143 - @Igor Drefljak
- 83 - @Walrus
- 40 - @VeevaVee
- 34 - @SilentWitness
- 31 - @Shakesey
- 15 - @KirkDuyt
Prestige (still struggling over failing to crush the revolution)
- 100 - Samid
- 90 - BD
- 69 - Solius
- 42 - RedSky
- 36 - Salt Bailly
- 23 - altodevil
- 5 - hobbers
- 3 - Walrus
- -4 - V.O.
- -21 - Shakesey
- -28 - Abizzz
- -30 - adexkola
- -32 - P-Nut
- -35 - Andycoleno9
- -43 - Wing Attack Plan R
- -51 - Eboue
- -56 - PSV
- -61 - VeevaVee
- -71 - BootsyCollins
- -85 - AnotherLondonManc
- -87 - Igor Drefljak
- -90 - KirkDuyt
- -95 - SilentWitness
- -100 - Organic Potatoes
Power Projection (how much you've bullied rival countries recently)
- 100 - Eboue
- 100 - altodevil
- 100 - Solius
- 83 - Abizzz
- 82 - Salt Bailly
- 80 - hobbers
- 47 - P-Nut
- 46 - BD
- 39 - AnotherLondonManc
- 24 - Wing Attack Plan R
- 24 - Samid
- 23 - PSV
- 18 - V.O.
- 9 - Walrus
- 7 - Andycoleno9
- 3 - KirkDuyt
- 0 - SilentWitness
- 0 - Shakesey
- 0 - adexkola
- 0 - BootsyCollins
- 0 - Igor Drefljak
- 0 - RedSky
- 0 - Organic Potatoes
- 0 - VeevaVee
Total Army size (with colonies)
- 947 000 - hobbers
- 767 000 - Solius
- 678 000 - RedSky (RedSky himself is 118k of this, he might be eternally grateful to Solius for his colonies never leaving)
- 482 000 - Abizzz
- 373 000 - Eboue
- 281 000 - altodevil
- 233 000 - P-Nut
- 199 000 - Salt Bailly
- 192 000 - BootsyCollins
- 185 000 - BD
- 182 000 - PSV
- 178 000 - Andycoleno9
- 144 000 - Samid
- 135 000 - Wing Attack Plan R
- 128 000 - V.O.
- 103 000 - adexkola
- 70 000 - AnotherLondonManc
- 35 000 - Organic Potatoes
- 22 000 - Walrus
- 15 000 - VeevaVee
- 12 000 - Igor Drefljak
- 11 000 - Shakesey
- 8 000 - SilentWitness
- 6 000 - KirkDuyt
Total Navy Size (with colonies)
- 434 - hobbers
- 426 - Solius
- 316 - altodevil
- 270 - RedSky
- 261 - Eboue
- 223 - AnotherLondonManc
- 111 - BD
- 102 - Wing Attack Plan R
- 101 - BootsyCollins
- 82 - P-Nut
- 79 - Samid
- 64 - Abizzz
- 63 - Andycoleno9
- 56 - PSV
- 45 - adexkola
- 16 - Organic Potatoes
- 16 - V.O.
- 8 - Igor Drefljak
- 6 - Shakesey
- 2 - KirkDuyt
- 0 - Walrus
- 0 - SilentWitness
- 0 - Salt Bailly
- 0 - VeevaVee
Total monthly income
- 1161 - hobbers
- 775 - altodevil
- 732 - Solius
- 683 - Eboue
- 464 - Abizzz
- 295 - BD
- 294 - Samid
- 244 - P-Nut
- 231 - Salt Bailly
- 213 - RedSky
- 204 - Andycoleno9
- 193 - V.O.
- 186 - Wing Attack Plan R
- 184 - PSV
- 177 - BootsyCollins
- 148 - adexkola
- 146 - AnotherLondonManc
- 24 - Igor Drefljak
- 23 - VeevaVee
- 21 - Organic Potatoes
- 19 - Walrus
- 13 - SilentWitness
- 12 - Shakesey
- 3 - KirkDuyt
Treasury size at end of game
- 308 140 - hobbers
- 176 049 - altodevil
- 107 060 - Eboue
- 70 598 - Solius
- 43 731 - Salt Bailly
- 33 987 - V.O.
- 29 413 - Abizzz
- 10 891 - P-Nut
- 8 463 - PSV
- 7 262 - VeevaVee
- 2 885 - Shakesey
- 2 063 - Andycoleno9
- 1 582 - SilentWitness
- 747 - Samid
- 714 - KirkDuyt
- 552 - BootsyCollins
- 479 - RedSky
- 464 - BD
- 417 - adexkola
- 146 - Walrus
- 118 - AnotherLondonManc
- 114 - Igor Drefljak
- 48 - Wing Attack Plan R
- 43 - Organic Potatoes
Most developed province (PSV and ALM lost Kraków and Cagliari respectively right at the end, which would have been 1st and 4th otherwise)
- 77 - Lublin (Samid)
- 72 - Derby (altodevil)
- 69 - Ayrshire (altodevil)
- 69 - Auvergne (RedSky)
- 68 - Cambrésis (Eboue)
- 67 - Asturias (Solius)
- 67 - Metz (Eboue)
- 67 - Hainaut (Eboue)
- 66 - Lwow (hobbers)
- 66 - Namur (Eboue)
- 66 - Leipzig (Abizzz)
Every country's best province
- 77 - Lublin - Samid
- 72 - Derby - altodevil
- 69 - Auvergne - RedSky
- 68 - Cambrésis - Eboue
- 67 - Asturias - Solius
- 66 - Lwow - hobbers
- 66 - Leipzig - Abizzz
- 61 - Ginevra - P-Nut
- 51 - Schmodei - Andycoleno9
- 49 - Pate - BD
- 49 - Moskva - Salt Bailly
- 49 - Warszawa - PSV
- 47 - Regensburg - V.O.
- 40 - Adana - AnotherLondonManc
- 40 - Perugia - VeevaVee
- 38 - Hanover - adexkola
- 35 - Opplanda - Igor Drefljak
- 34 - Agdesiden - BootsyCollins
- 34 - Samawat - Walrus
- 34 - Qahirah - Wing Attack Plan R
- 34 - Lotharingen - SilentWitness
- 31 - St. Helena - Shakesey
- 31 - Bermuda - Organic Potatoes
- 7 - Essequibo - KirkDuyt
Army losses (battles + attrition) <- NOT including colonies
- 6 805 000 - hobbers
- 6 616 000 - Solius
- 4 536 000 - Abizzz
- 4 437 000 - Eboue
- 4 361 000 - P-Nut
- 3 346 000 - AnotherLondonManc
- 3 326 000 - BootsyCollins
- 2 969 000 - adexkola
- 2 777 000 - BD
- 2 387 000 - Samid
- 2 348 000 - altodevil
- 2 173 000 - RedSky
- 2 050 000 - PSV
- 2 042 000 - Wing Attack Plan R
- 2 033 000 - Organic Potatoes
- 1 987 000 - Andycoleno9
- 1 976 000 - Salt Bailly
- 1 334 000 - V.O.
- 1 078 000 - SilentWitness
- 1 005 000 - VeevaVee
- 966 000 - Walrus
- 651 000 - KirkDuyt
- 482 000 - Igor Drefljak
- 415 000 - Shakesey
Naval losses <- NOT including colonies
- 653 - Solius
- 481 - AnotherLondonManc
- 476 - Organic Potatoes
- 397 - altodevil
- 383 - Eboue
- 375 - adexkola
- 331 - P-Nut
- 325 - RedSky
- 300 - BD
- 222 - Andycoleno9
- 208 - Wing Attack Plan R
- 202 - hobbers
- 199 - BootsyCollins
- 189 - VeevaVee
- 159 - Igor Drefljak
- 156 - KirkDuyt
- 119 - Samid
- 112 - Abizzz
- 111 - SilentWitness
- 103 - Walrus
- 72 - Shakesey
- 37 - PSV
- 0 - Salt Bailly
- 0 - V.O.
Holy Roman Emperors
- 6 (144 years) - KirkDuyt
- 3 (94 years) - adexkola
- 1 (3 years) - Andycoleno9
Surviving dynasties
de Abizzz: in altodevil and Abizzz
Andycoleno9: in Andycoleno9
hobbers: in Salt Bailly (and the minor country of Wolgast)
Samid: in Samid
Eboue: in Organic Potatoes
Wing Attack Plan R: in Wing Attack Plan R
Religions (changes in bold)
Catholic: Organic Potatoes, BD, Solius, altodevil, Samid, Eboue, Igor Drefljak, AnotherLondonManc, BootsyCollins, KirkDuyt
Protestant: PSV, Andycoleno9, adexkola, VeevaVee
Reformed: V.O., Abizzz
Sunni: Wing Attack Plan R, Walrus, Shakesey, SilentWitness
Orthodox: hobbers, Salt Bailly, P-Nut
Religious Map of Europe (click to expand)
Beyond Europe (click!)
The World
Players no longer with us (9)
- Stobzilla: Squeezed between Solius, BD and AnotherLondonManc
- Grib: Conquered by hobbers (with help from Denis79)
- Denis79: Conquered by hobbers
- Dan x3: Squeezed out by Dr. Dwayne, PSV, Abizzz, Andycoleno9, et. al - returned and was taken out three times or more
- Vidyoyo x2: Taken out mainly by Igor Drefljak and BootsyCollins
- Dr. Dwayne: Taken out mainly by adexkola, Abizzz, PSV
- Welsh Wonder: Squeezed between altodevil and Organic Potatoes
- Crackers: Ganged up on by Solius, BD and RedSky at least 3-4 times, then finished in exile by SilentWitness
- Tiber: inherited by hobbers
I think I win.
Cheers! It was a lot of work, but it somehow felt like less work than the FM Experiments despite this happening over a much shorter timespan. It was probably because the constant small updates. I basically forced people to pay attention, and I didn't have to sit on information for a week while I prepared "the big update".
It was an interesting experience (that isn't completely done, I still have to try something with the playback feature). I reckon I'll do something similar at some point in the future (and anyone else is free to steal the idea, of course).
Awesome work @nimic. Top 3 caf experiments for sure.
I survived! What a weak finish after an alright start. How did I end up on 0 navy 
At least I was somehow fairly rich.
Do I have a few spots of land dotted around there?
Good work @nimic
At least I was somehow fairly rich.
Do I have a few spots of land dotted around there?
Good work @nimic
Simply the best.
Insert Orson Welles clapping gif
I survived! What a weak finish after an alright start. How did I end up on 0 navy
At least I was somehow fairly rich.
Do I have a few spots of land dotted around there?
Good work @nimic
You had some small overseas colonies for a long time, but at the end you were all tapped out and only had the single province. That explains the lack of a navy too, since it was inland.
B D South Africa is beautiful
We basically turned Africa into a bigger Iberia.
Well, I may be weak, poor and insignificant, but at least I was the emperor for most of it.
Pity we couldn't just push a bit more east and make Africa just two mega countries
I feel like the end came just in time for me. We really gave a good go of it, but our ambition was the death of us. We were just unlucky to have been sandwiched between Solius and Hobbers. It was only going to end one way.
Thanks for putting this all together nimic! Was a blast
Thanks for putting this all together nimic! Was a blast
Good stuff. My dynasty also ruling @altodevil must surely mean I win !
Wish there was a way of returning this last map and relations to 1444 and fight it out for true supremacy.
Wish there was a way of returning this last map and relations to 1444 and fight it out for true supremacy.
I mean, I could do like a bonus thing later where I just run the game for 200 years or something overnight and see who wins. Probably China though.
That’s a fitting end to Evertonia. Surviving….just and at the very end.Sounds great but don't feel pressured or anything to do it. This must have taken a lot of your time already. Was a entertaining thread!
Every country's best province
Think Solius and Hobbers were the two true super powers in this. Happy with how my story turned out, managed to keep hold of North America and a nice little chunk of Europe.
- 72 - Derby - altodevil
Think Solius and Hobbers were the two true super powers in this. Happy with how my story turned out, managed to keep hold of North America and a nice little chunk of Europe.
Great work nimic. It would be interesting to run the simulation again with the exact same starts for everyone, just to see how different things end up (not doing updates, just seeing how it looks in 1836)!
Not a bad idea that.
Great work massively enjoyed this, hopefully won't be too long until you decide to run another
that would be interesting to see how random it really is.
you try to though you nanny state socdem
a huge amount can be determined by simply the initial rivalries and alliances (which are normally weighted, when it’s actual historical countries - eg France and England will almost always rival each other, whilst Aragon and Castile are “historical friends” and so likely to ally). Many guides for more difficult nations will suggest restarting the game until you have certain rivalries/alliances at the start.
In our case, because it’s not historical nations, it would likely be really random. The web of alliances in Iberia and GB would probably be different, leading to someone else gaining the ascendancy. The RNG of who becomes the holy Roman emperor would be a factor, as would which idea groups each country picks first, and where the institutions spawn.
So yeah, there is a fair bit of RNG in the first 50-100 years. After that point the larger nations tend to be well established and begin to snowball. Also, the differing regional tech groups and unit types means the Europeans will naturally have significant advantages over everyone else as time goes on, as will the colonisers.
Following the above, in my case I knew I would be strong in the early game, but progressively weaker as the game went on as I wouldn’t be able to colonise, and using the Muslim units rather than Western ones. Really my only chance to get strong was to weaken Hobbers early on, and then push East into Persia and India as fast as I could. In practice though, it’s a low probability chance of success, whereas anyone towards the Atlantic is likely to be able to set up some colonies and boost themselves, almost guaranteed.
This is true for sure. But there were also 9 players who didn't make it to the end at all, and several of those were on the Atlantic. You had a pretty good chance, but your AI did the thing that crashed a lot of empires this game, and got involved in wars on behalf of small allies. You probably only needed one war where you fought hobbers with the Timurids for it to be very different.
I thought I'd try to run it to 1836 again, just to see how different it will be. BD immediately allied RedSky and Solius, while Crackers allied Shakesey. The Italians also allied each other again. I ran a quick test game with this setup before running the full thing (to test whether I needed to add colonists or not), and I think Solius and BD were allied there too. I wonder if there's something more going on than just random chance.
I'll get it to 1836 over the next few days and post the alternate universe map (no updates or anything, I'm not a psychopath). And just to be clear, our run was the only true run. This is just a mere imitation.
This was a fun thing to read, my best performance in a game ever. Thanks for the effort and color commentary. I know it’s Europa but picking Cairo didn’t seem to make my nation really be involved with the grind of history, kind of like real life. Makes me wonder if the game has parameters it can’t go beyond, such as, why didn’t any African nations try to invade Europe? It would be fun to see a “game” that follows exactly what did happen in Europe, to see how alliances and marriages and holy wars altered the map. I wonder, too, if the game could take everything as happened up to a certain year, say 1666, and then make small modifications to see how the world would be different today. Like if London did t burn down in 1666 etc. This game looks fun but too dangerous, like you could disappear into it with all the machinations. Thanks again for running and reporting it!
It's less Europe-centric than the previous games in the series (it's called Europa Universalis after all), but no AI African nation (excepting perhaps the Mameluks in Egypt, who you basically replaced) is ever going to be able to invade Europe still. Asian countries often do better than historically, though.
You were definitely the least connected to wider European affairs of everyone. You were mostly just content to do your own thing, and until close to the end the others were content to let you.
This description fits for me in many ways.
@nimic, as you know, i consider you to be socdem scum and an accommodator. however, digitalnirvana wants me to tell you that he watched the game and you did a great job. he also wants me to post this
Tell digitalnirvana he's a gentleman and a scholar who I've never said an unkind word about, unless the reason he's no longer around is that he said or did something terrible, I can't remember.
Great job @nimic. Enjoyed this.
Timelapse video (Europe + World)
I did a thing. It's nothing big, just a timelapse video. Don't ask me how long it took me to get the years in.
Okay I'll tell you, it took a long time. I haven't tried to make or edit a video since I was making CS frag-movies with my pirated Sony Vegas when I was 14.
Okay I'll tell you, it took a long time. I haven't tried to make or edit a video since I was making CS frag-movies with my pirated Sony Vegas when I was 14.
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