It's not about a few minutes, it's about the weird treatment of one of our most talented young players.
I just come in here to see grown men making straw men and weeping over a few minutes football. Awesome!
It's not about a few minutes, it's about the weird treatment of one of our most talented young players.
I just come in here to see grown men making straw men and weeping over a few minutes football. Awesome!
Well you're not seeing him train or even have any clue about his fitness or injury timeline other than what the club has shared. As in you don’t have a clue. Letting Amad jump past Forson as soon as he was back is bad management on a personal level. Maybe they were also afraid he’d break down again if they rushed him back? Nobody knows, so what’s the point in guessing and getting worked up over hypotheticals?I think it's reasonable to assume that 12 weeks being in first team training means you're ready to play. So I disagree
You're the one that was speaking about training? Amad was literally subbed on against Forest in December. He got sick for a week after but he's basically been available since that Forest game. We are now in April. You're waffling about Amad "jumping past" a player that didn't have a single senior minute until a little over a month ago, it's not "bad management". Is it also "bad management" to have Mason Mount jump past Dan Gore as soon as he was back too?Well you're not seeing him train or even have any clue about his fitness or injury timeline other than what the club has shared. As in you don’t have a clue. Letting Amad jump past Forson as soon as he was back is bad management on a personal level. Maybe they were also afraid he’d break down again if they rushed him back? Nobody knows, so what’s the point in guessing and getting worked up over hypotheticals?
Gore hasn’t played for the first team all season has he? Did Amrabat jump past him too when he was signed? Also mount was back in training according the club since January and what a coincidence he’s only getting sub minutes a few months later and this is a quality established PL player on massive wages with the #7 shirt. It’s not some conspiracy.You're the one that was speaking about training? Amad was literally subbed on against Forest in December. He got sick for a week after but he's basically been available since that Forest game. We are now in April. You're waffling about Amad "jumping past" a player that didn't have a single senior minute until a little over a month ago, it's not "bad management". Is it also "bad management" to have Mason Mount jump past Dan Gore as soon as he was back too?
That doesn't mean a great deal if you're then injured for half a season. Forson didn't collect cereal box tokens, he got his chance based on training hard and being available.Because Amad is a full senior who was Sunderland's best player last season and a far bigger talent than Forson to begin with.
Fine if you meant it like that, I apologise. Just felt like an unnecessary jab at him.Because he got minutes over someone who's shown more at a senior level? This isn't me saying Forson is shite for the record, just that I'd expect someone who's got not a single minute at the top level to show why he might be doing so over another player who's already shown potential at the same level. We don't have to white knight for every player, maybe he'll come good maybe he won't. But up to now he's not been in the same bracket of high rated youth prospects as players like Garnacho/Mainoo/Amad/Lacey etc that are/were coming through before so it's not like everyone was waiting for his big debut to finally come. And I don't even think it's some huge put down to say he "looked lost", in fact that's pretty much what I'd expect from most first time senior players that hadn't kicked a ball at that level.
It means that he's far more likely to impact the game. It's totally irrelevant that Forson has been available all season when he got his chance at a time when Amad was also available.That doesn't mean a great deal if you're then injured for half a season. Forson didn't collect cereal box tokens, he got his chance based on training hard and being available.
Fine if you meant it like that, I apologise. Just felt like an unnecessary jab at him.
It obviously isn't irrelevant and Amad was coming back from a long layoff with a knee injury when Forson got his minutes. I don't think you're willing to entertain it being anything other than an afront to Amad, but fair enough.It means that he's far more likely to impact the game. It's totally irrelevant that Forson has been available all season when he got his chance at a time when Amad was also available.
That's been debunked already, try again.It obviously isn't irrelevant and Amad was coming back from a long layoff with a knee injury when Forson got his minutes. I don't think you're willing to entertain it being anything other than an afront to Amad, but fair enough.
Dan Gore has been on loan since Jan and has been injured since his first appearance for Port Vale. It's not a terribly good comparison all in all.You're the one that was speaking about training? Amad was literally subbed on against Forest in December. He got sick for a week after but he's basically been available since that Forest game. We are now in April. You're waffling about Amad "jumping past" a player that didn't have a single senior minute until a little over a month ago, it's not "bad management". Is it also "bad management" to have Mason Mount jump past Dan Gore as soon as he was back too?
Like most others here, I was excited to see Forson get his chance. It turned out to be way too early for him, which happens, but on the few occasions when Amad was given a chance, he’s taken them well. He deserves more games.Christ I forgot about Forson, who has looked lost every time he's stepped onto the pitch so far for us. It's fine, Amad will get 10 minutes some time soon and not do anything and then people will say "See, that's why he hasn't been getting minutes".
I'm not sure what you need to know. He was nearly as good for Sunderland as the former Spurs youth player who is playing out wide for them this season. Scored some lovely goals but was a but hit or Miss in his overall play according to a lot of Sunderland fans when I checked their forums at the time."Decent loan spell"
Tells me all I need to know I guess
Such a brilliant and original post. Literally no one who's disagreed with my opinion has ever picked up on me having a self depreciating username.Username checks out anyway.
That might have been true initially but you should check again. They absolutely love him.I'm not sure what you need to know. He was nearly as good for Sunderland as the former Spurs youth player who is playing out wide for them this season. Scored some lovely goals but was a but hit or Miss in his overall play according to a lot of Sunderland fans when I checked their forums at the time.
It was a decent loan spell considering the level it was.
He was terrific.It was a decent loan spell considering the level it was.
I'm well aware we loaned out Gore, the point was that it's not "bad management" to have more experienced players play after returning from injury over youth players that had yet to even make a senior debut. Could have said the same for Lindelof or someone over Kambwala before his debut.Dan Gore has been on loan since Jan and has been injured since his first appearance for Port Vale. It's not a terribly good comparison all in all.
Nah he won't, because he also shit on my opinion that Amad has good potential to be developed as an 8 that operates in the half spaces (a la Bernardo) instead of just a pure winger. Apparently too much terminology for him, just wants to say he's "decent" without going into further detail.That might have been true initially but you should check again. They absolutely love him.
He won PFA Fans' Player of the Year and it's not just popularity list when you look at who won:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFA_Fans'_Player_of_the_Year
Wonder if you will admit he had more than a 'decent' loan spell now?
It's more so the blocking of any sort of loan move, then refusal to give minutes, then further refusal after he takes the one half decent opportunity he was given by the scruff of the neck. Screams incompetent management to me when you consider how dire we've been this year and I can't really come up with what might be a decent explanation when I add it all up. It would make much more sense if we were challenging for the league with a locked in rotation of attackers firing on all cylinders, or had a host of talent especially at that RW spot. But in reality the best RW we have is a natural LWEither he’s not good in training or ETH just doesn’t like him as a footballer. Hopefully he proves himself under the next manager.
I’ve generally not felt he’s been done a grave injustice but after winning us a classic FA cup tie for the ages, you’d think hed get some reward in terms of match time.
I'd still say it was decent. I can say "quite good" if you like. A big part of the reason I frame it that way is that it's a huge step up from being a good Championship player to making a difference at the top end of the prem.That might have been true initially but you should check again. They absolutely love him.
He won PFA Fans' Player of the Year and it's not just popularity list when you look at who won:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFA_Fans'_Player_of_the_Year
Wonder if you will admit he had more than a 'decent' loan spell now?
Nah what's a sackable offence is playing like shyte the whole season - Ten Hag should go and it has nothing to do with AmadI'd still say it was decent. I can say "quite good" if you like. A big part of the reason I frame it that way is that it's a huge step up from being a good Championship player to making a difference at the top end of the prem.
It can definitely happen and has historically. It's just not enough to make it a "sackable offence" for a manager not to play the lad.
Yes absolutely, please don't consider this any sort of defence of Ten Hag. I just felt people were talking like we had Messi in 2005 on the bench when I'm just not seeing it.Nah what's a sackable offence is playing like shyte the whole season - Ten Hag should go and it has nothing to do with Amad
Whatever way you want to frame it, playing Forson, a youth player with zero experience over Amad, who was back in training for months and had a 'decent' full season of English football under his belt was very questionable.I'd still say it was decent. I can say "quite good" if you like. A big part of the reason I frame it that way is that it's a huge step up from being a good Championship player to making a difference at the top end of the prem.
It can definitely happen and has historically. It's just not enough to make it a "sackable offence" for a manager not to play the lad.
You're arguing against points that haven't been made.Whatever way you want to frame it, playing Forson, a youth player with zero experience over Amad, who was back in training for months and had a 'decent' full season of English football under his belt was very questionable.
To be fair to ETH, if the reports of Forson's contract situation is true, I wouldn't be surprised if he was 'influenced' to make that choice.
Would love to see Mainoo on the centre midfield right side linking up with him, with a player like Neves to the left and a Rodri/Carrick style player in behind. It would be transformative.He’s a player I’d love to see in the team with Mainoo. Might take a few years to really see the potential realised but could be something special.