Ooops, skipped a match! I blame the turkey leftovers.We scored 3 against Newcastle?
Ooops, skipped a match! I blame the turkey leftovers.We scored 3 against Newcastle?
Heh. Please don't do that. Even seeing the word "turkey" written down makes me queasy.Ooops, skipped a match! I blame the turkey leftovers.
On recent form, benching either of them would be a terrible decision.Herrera is a very good player. He started well and due to injury had a bit of a dip in form. Put him into a good midfield and he will show his qualities. A midfield of Carrick and Herrera with ADM in there and the support of Rooney or Mata could dominate and create chance after chance
You wouldn't drop either of them, one of RvP or Falcao would be dropped and Rooney plays up front.On recent form, benching either of them would be a terrible decision.
Based on the season so far, there's absolutely no chance of Van Gaal doing that.You wouldn't drop either of them, one of RvP or Falcao would be dropped and Rooney plays up front.
I don't know if he had a dip in a form it seems to me that he didn't pay at all and people start to talk about dip in for, it is the same with Rafael people accusing him of playing bad at times while he doesn't play at all. Herrera had a below average half of football against Westbrom? and that is it, Apart that he was brilliant, after his comeback he was great then okay the next game but then got injured again but dip in a form? I don't think so, I see more dips in form of any other single player in our team.Herrera is a very good player. He started well and due to injury had a bit of a dip in form. Put him into a good midfield and he will show his qualities. A midfield of Carrick and Herrera with ADM in there and the support of Rooney or Mata could dominate and create chance after chance
He doesn't conceed that many fouls and he often wins many freekicks. I don't think he really struggles physically as much as being made out tbh.I like him a lot but for me struggled with the physical nature of the Prem. His endeavour there but concedes a lot of fouls when trying to match people's physicality. LVG has noted this and although technical not as good, Fellaini added this to the midfield and has contributed to us winning matches. If we sign a player that does both equally well, they will both have a challenge getting into the first team imo.
But you must concede for whatever reason it doesnt appear he's a LVG favourite right now. We are all coming up with various reasons for this and expecting this to change but based on the facts he's as favoured as Kagawa was by management........He doesn't conceed that many fouls and he often wins many freekicks. I don't think he really struggles physically as much as being made out tbh.
Yeah I'm not debating that.But you must concede for whatever reason it doesnt appear he's a LVG favourite right now. We are all coming up with various reasons for this and expecting this to change but based on the facts he's as favoured as Kagawa was by management........
It's debateable but LVG made reference to the team lacking physicality for which Felliani offered. I expect that Herrea wasn't LVG wasn't his choice but already bought before he arrived. I like Herrea but I suspect we will find eventually a player that will be able to offer the physically of Felliani and the technical ability of Herrea....He doesn't conceed that many fouls and he often wins many freekicks. I don't think he really struggles physically as much as being made out tbh.
Has Mata been that convincing in anything other than wins against the non-CL types (the bottom 12) at home? If healthy, I'd rather see Herrera away at Stoke next to Rooney and then Mata can be our option off the bench to provide offense if need be.On recent form, benching either of them would be a terrible decision.
And which CL types has Herrera been amazing against?? There is zero basis so far for saying Mata is not as good as Herrera.Has Mata been that convincing in anything other than wins against the non-CL types (the bottom 12) at home? If healthy, I'd rather see Herrera away at Stoke next to Rooney and then Mata can be our option off the bench to provide offense if need be.
Has Herrera?Has Mata been that convincing in anything other than wins against the non-CL types (the bottom 12) at home? If healthy, I'd rather see Herrera away at Stoke next to Rooney and then Mata can be our option off the bench to provide offense if need be.
Has Herrera?
Seriously, you'd think we're talking about golden ball winner here.
These comments are fair, in that I'm giving an opinion on how I think he would do, not arguing he's proven himself here yet.And which CL types has Herrera been amazing against?? There is zero basis so far for saying Mata is not as good as Herrera.
Yes. His best performance this season was against Spurs away.Has Mata been that convincing in anything other than wins against the non-CL types (the bottom 12) at home? If healthy, I'd rather see Herrera away at Stoke next to Rooney and then Mata can be our option off the bench to provide offense if need be.
Fair point. He played well and probably only faded due to having played 2 days before. We weren't very good as a team in the 2nd half, but again, probably more about energy levels in this crazy period.Yes. His best performance this season was against Spurs away.
Now, same question about Hererra.
I think it will next season before Herrera settles. Juan Mata has been in the PL for a while. It must be a shock to the system how fast and physical our league is and takes some adapting to. I think he would have been good in CL games as they are at a different pace, but unfortunately due to circumstances we aren't in it. Hopefully next year we are.I really rate Herrera, I think he is a great player and has given us something we have not had in years and while I can see him performing well in the 10 role, it's something that I just don't see. Yes he can be a creative player but I think he just an out and out CM, both sides of the game, energy, all that comes with the modern CM. I think that's where he should be, leave the 10 for Mata and Rooney.
They are very different players, and who should play depends on their teammates, the role they are filling and the opponents.And which CL types has Herrera been amazing against?? There is zero basis so far for saying Mata is not as good as Herrera.
Isn't this the problem with fans, we will insist on comparing players who are not the same, just like comparing Fellaini with Herrera. Ridiculous. LvG will pick who is suitable for a particular game and as someone said who is playing round them.They are very different players, and who should play depends on their teammates, the role they are filling and the opponents.
What you're saying does kind of make sense but there's no way we should drop Mata in current form. Our best player against Spurs and one of the first names on the team-sheet against Stoke.Fair point. He played well and probably only faded due to having played 2 days before. We weren't very good as a team in the 2nd half, but again, probably more about energy levels in this crazy period.
Herrera has played very well against good teams many times while at Bilbao, and I think he'll do the same here.
I like Mata, I just don't think our box of 4 central attackers is sustainable. Next year we'll be in the CL and rotating more. As a CM in a 3 man midfield with Rooney involved,I think Herrera is better suited to the tougher games and Mata better suited to breaking teams down.
I don't think he will drop him. Herrera will have to sit on the bench and make a good contribution when he comes on. I think he will be happy to play, simple as. We need to be in a position to be able to make changes in games. At the moment the midfield options are gash and we are risking the form players either being worn out or god forbid picking up injuries.What you're saying does kind of make sense but there's no way we should drop Mata in current form. Our best player against Spurs and one of the first names on the team-sheet against Stoke.
They are still thugs, you are right, thugs with a bit more finesse, but still thugs.As always against Stoke, they'll put some big fecker on Mata and he'll kick and kick until he gets booked, then pass the mantle onto one of his team mates.
There's a lot of talk about Stoke's improved football, but they still love a kick, thrive on the set piece and hoof it up to Crouch half the time. The only real difference in my eyes is that they've recruited wide players with actual technical ability.
It's their cup final every year so it'll be a big old scrap. I'll be there, hungover in the cold. Why were early kick offs on New Year's Day ever a thing?
It really is that simple.Put Rooney up front and play Herrera in midfield. Simples.
While obviously Mata has shown more in his career and is a better player, Herrera for Bilbao was consistently at his best against the likes of Barca and Madrid. That said, I think both suit each other really well and I'd rather drop Falcao and have Rooney up there behind Van Persie, and put Herrera in midfield next to Mata.And which CL types has Herrera been amazing against?? There is zero basis so far for saying Mata is not as good as Herrera.
Just as long as they go with the sparkling water instead of the cava.They're about to eat their grapes (not a euphemism).