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I don't know why, but I worry about Herrera getting dropped again. I just don't get the sense that LVG rates as highly as the fans do. Will be interesting to see what he does when Shaw comes back from injury. I wouldn't be surprised to see him dropped for Blind.
I'm not worried about it as I'm certain it'll happen. He's like Mata to LVG IMO.
 

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I missed the LVG, what did he say about Herrera and Mata? Hope you guys are right though.
Can't remember exactly but I saw it on twitter, something like I'm very pleased with the performances of Mata and Herrera and Fellaini especially. You know, as close as it gets to glowing praise from Van Gaal.
 

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I agree that he will get dropped. I would be surprised if he starts against Liverpool if Shaw is back. I just dont think van Gaal will ever trust him completely in the CM role.
 

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I agree that he will get dropped. I would be surprised if he starts against Liverpool if Shaw is back. I just dont think van Gaal will ever trust him completely in the CM role.
Then more fool him. Because Shaw will likely pull something within the first half. I would play Carrick and Herrera.
 

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People still think LVG doesnt rate him, but I dont know based on what exactly.
He always comes across as an intelligent lad, I think he actually sees him as a bit of a project, which actually appears to be working. It's taking time, but it is coming together. LvG said it takes time for some players, wasn't actually thinking he meant changing Ander Herrera into another player completely. He has asked him to adjust his game which he is doing. If he refused then he would be in trouble, but has taken it on board. The thing about settling in the country, language etc do not appear to have affected him at all.
 

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People still think LVG doesnt rate him, but I dont know based on what exactly.
I don't see how people cannot see that Ander has clearly tailored his game to what LvG wants from a CM, the interesting aspect is that Fellaini has the more attacking license of the midfield 3 right now, but if we get the right CM in, in the summer then I think that will free Ander up, still playing as a CM but with more freedom than right now.
 

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I don't see how people cannot see that Ander has clearly tailored his game to what LvG wants from a CM, the interesting aspect is that Fellaini has the more attacking license of the midfield 3 right now, but if we get the right CM in, in the summer then I think that will free Ander up, still playing as a CM but with more freedom than right now.
Herrera has certainly improved on how van Gaal wants his box-to-box players to be, but because we're still playing Fellaini I don't think he sees him ready for this role fully yet. In van Gaal's playstyle the number 10 is extremely important and does most of the creative passing, so Fellaini playing there isn't really his style. He plays pointing forward in a middle 3, with the CDM and box-to-box as defensive minded players.

Therefore I still think we'll bring in a specialised box-to-box midfielder which leaves Herrera competing for the #10 and maybe as box-to-box backup. He needs to be able to switch his mindset for this though: at #10 he can be free and creative, as a box-to-box midfielder he can't because he's one of the 4 defensive minded players.

Unless he significantly improves his defensive awareness he will be seen as creative by van Gaal and won't play as a defensive minded player much next season. This season he's doing a fine job though.
 

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Herrera has certainly improved on how van Gaal wants his box-to-box players to be, but because we're still playing Fellaini I don't think he sees him ready for this role fully yet. In van Gaal's playstyle the number 10 is extremely important and does most of the creative passing, so Fellaini playing there isn't really his style. He plays pointing forward in a middle 3, with the CDM and box-to-box as defensive minded players.

Therefore I still think we'll bring in a specialised box-to-box midfielder which leaves Herrera competing for the #10 and maybe as box-to-box backup. He needs to be able to switch his mindset for this though: at #10 he can be free and creative, as a box-to-box midfielder he can't because he's one of the 4 defensive minded players.

Unless he significantly improves his defensive awareness he will be seen as creative by van Gaal and won't play as a defensive minded player much next season. This season he's doing a fine job though.
I agree, I don't think long terms LvG sees Ander as a #8 and that is the position he will look to improve on, but I think Ander is the lead choice in our current squad to play as the #10 style CM once LvG gets his box to box player in.
For instance the recent Nainggolan rumours make sense as he can play the way LvG wanted Vidal or Strootman to, and Herrera will fit in as the #10/AM with Carrick as the #6.
 

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I agree, I don't think long terms LvG sees Ander as a #8 and that is the position he will look to improve on, but I think Ander is the lead choice in our current squad to play as the #10 style CM once LvG gets his box to box player in.
For instance the recent Nainggolan rumours make sense as he can play the way LvG wanted Vidal or Strootman to, and Herrera will fit in as the #10/AM with Carrick as the #6.
Naninggoalan is a good shout, not crooked like Strootman, good defensively, has a good pas and shot on him and on top of that he can run all day long. :) He's full of energy and is everything you want in a CM.
 

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Naninggoalan is a good shout, not crooked like Strootman, good defensively, has a good pas and shot on him and on top of that he can run all day long. :) He's full of energy and is everything you want in a CM.
Poor Paddy if we sign him!
 

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Naninggoalan is a good shout, not crooked like Strootman, good defensively, has a good pas and shot on him and on top of that he can run all day long. :) He's full of energy and is everything you want in a CM.
Yes, he kinda reminds me of Vidal before the knee injury, he has many of the same qualities and would add a different dimension to our midfield.
 

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Rooney isn't that creative for a 10 in the sense he is predictable at times therefore I can see Louis van Gaal using him as a 9 and why not? He will guarantee goals in my opinion and he is very creative for a 9.

Herrera and Mata both could be excellent 10's and I see the manager using them for this, there are plenty of games, rotation will be necessary next season providing we get European football and when you factor injuries etc, what a wonderful position to have both Herrera and Mata compete for the 10 position.

But it goes further, these two players are different, it allows for more tactical flexibility and so if both players are in good form the one selected could be based on the opposition strengths and weaknesses.
 

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Thanks a lot. Must have been uploaded recently.

What an excellent performance by him. He was everywhere. Tackling near our box, center of the park, and also in the final third. Not to forget the passing triangles he was a part of with Mata and Valencia on the right wing. Definitely my favourite player in the team right now.
 

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Been terrific in tandem with Mata. One thing impresses me most is his ability to defend and press.

Glad he has found form and looks to be a mainstay in the first eleven.
 

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Between him and Mata for best player so far. However, considering they have been playing like they are one player, we can say Marrera has been the best so far.
 

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Remember when people said he was average and shouldn't be starting? :lol:
Still don't understand why he was dropped. He wasn't playing at this level, but not bad enough to not play at all.

Same with Mata. That random absence after a good run of form was truly baffling.

Glad to see some of the big names benched to get the in-form enthusiastic guys in.
 

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Still don't understand why he was dropped. He wasn't playing at this level, but not bad enough to not play at all.

Same with Mata. That random absence after a good run of form was truly baffling.

Glad to see some of the big names benched to get the in-form enthusiastic guys in.
Truly baffling. Mata was our best player for a month and he was just inexplicably dropped. Great to see them come back and play well.
 

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Him and Mata are just running rings around that right channel. His touch and movement is just really refreshing to see. Valencia has been decent but a more direct and skillful RB could really let them run havoc.
 

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A fecking little clever pitbull player. I fecking love him. I declare that 'can't believe he's not Scholes' is his, now.
 

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Great performance. Fantastic assist for Mata. I've probably been a bit harsh on him but the lad put in a great performance today.
 

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Dominated Liverpool. What a man.
 
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