[lsd]

Yet again as soon as he comes on our midfield looks complete garbage and this time it's not the Herrera and Matic can't play together excuse.

Either last season was a fluke or he was very overrated but if never seen a player go downhill so quick

 

[Reddevildans]

Please pass forward ander!

 

[AshRK]

Either he passes sideways or backwards, or just falls down and rolls over. He was my favourite last season but maybe we have just overrated him big time

 

[Antonedwin]

It's no coincidence watford scored 2 goals after he came in.
No composure on the ball & no brain when passing , made it difficult for his teammates.
Didn't win any tackle either.
Sell

 

[Adisa]

I don't think it's a ridiculous claim.
He still hasn't sign a contract and there are rumours he's agreed to join Atletico.
He's certainly not playing like his head is in the right place.
Has he even had a good game this season?

 

[SammyUnited_83]

To think people on here compared him to Keane.

He's shite.

 

[cletus7]

His playing style is now just irritating! I’m thinking of the ridiculous safe and negative passing. I don’t understand what he’s trying to achieve on the pitch... I can read every pass he makes nowadays... to keeper... to defender on the left... to midfielder on top of him etc. Body language very odd too. To his credit he played well last year !BUT!

 

[Cee90]

I don't really understand what has happened to Hererra.

He was one of my favourite players in the last few years, but he looks lost this season.

Is it down to a lack of playing time and match rhythm? I don't know, but he has been underperforming this season that's for sure.

I know he has the quality.

 

[cletus7]

I don't really understand what has happened to Hererra.

He was one of my favourite players in the last few years, but he looks lost this season.

Is it down to a lack of playing time and match rhythm? I don't know, but he has been underperforming this season that's for sure.

I know he has the quality.

Perhaps having a strop about fall from grace... from player of the season to bench warmer. Harsh on his psychology. Seems to now have a lack of genuine ambition. Got to sell now I’m afraid.

 

[Devil may care]

His confidence looks shot to me, running around a lot but not really impacting the game.

 

[Harry190]

To think people on here compared him to Keane.

He's shite.

Keane or Kante?
Doesn't matter, he's not in the same league as either. A small bright period last season but nothing so far.

I do wonder about his running though. He seems like he is doing a lot while not really doing anything.

 

[Womp]

He's been poor this season but I still love him. Even when he's not performing the passion he shows is second to none. It was obvious he was going to be reduced to a backup role when Matic was brought in, no matter how good he was last season.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

I don't expect much from him on the ball nowadays, but he was woeful defensively today. Was like a training cone.

 

[ManUtd1999]

His confidence looks shot to me, running around a lot but not really impacting the game.

I agree with this. He doesn't influence the game... not offensively and not defensively.

 

[pacifictheme]

Spanish tom cleverley etc.

CM remains an issue as we don't really have any quality cover / competition for pogba or matic.

If they're fit they play as there is no competition.

 

[el3mel]

I don't understand how Lingard goal can be counted as an assist for him ?

 

[See The Day]

He's like Ashley Williams had a good season last season gone backwards ever since.

 

[sammsky1]

Perhaps having a strop about fall from grace... from player of the season to bench warmer. Harsh on his psychology. Seems to now have a lack of genuine ambition. Got to sell now I’m afraid.

Ive personally never rated him. Joined from an average club and played in a very average United, Now we've made the breakthrough into being a top(ish) team, its not surprising that his true level is showing.

I'm always very suspicious of Manchester United players who don't make it into their national teams, Spain included. Herrera seems like Everton's ex player Mikel Arteta, classy in a top 8 team but is found wanting at the top level.

Would much rather we keep Fellaini as he offers his own unique set of skills, plus can be an understudy for both Matic and Pogba. I'd also sell Herrera, and let Perierra, McTominay and Fosu-Mensah fight it out for his slot in the squad.

 

[sammsky1]

Yet again as soon as he comes on our midfield looks complete garbage and this time it's not the Herrera and Matic can't play together excuse.

Either last season was a fluke or he was very overrated but if never seen a player go downhill so quick

No, he played well in a team that finished 6th ... thats about his level.

 

[Freak]

Football fans change their opinions like a women changes her mind.

He’s just in bad form, he’s not shit. He just needs to regain his confidence.

 

[Frank Grimes]

He literally just stays 5 yards in front of the back 4/5 now and throws in a weak tackle. So terrible this season it's making me question if he is actually trying his hardest.

 

[bosnian_red]

Yeah he's just off form right now, he's shown his class before and he'll show it again. I'd even start him vs Arsenal, though we might be forced to if Matic is out. But generally he's good in big games. What he is though is a defensive ball winning midfielder. He's not a playmaker or a box to box really, and he isn't really a creative player. He has a good touch and usually good passing, but his lack of creativity or the composure in attacking areas is why he struggled while Pogba was out. As a defensive mid I think he'd find his form again. In a 3 man midfield with Pogba and matic it could work, but his role would be more of a specialist midfield role to mark someone out of the game or just crazy press everyone, and then pass it on to pogba/valencia. People jump the gun too quickly if a player isn't quite starting quality to selling him. He's a very useful squad player and more the caliber of squad players we want to have, rather then some others that we have...

 

[MadMike]

No, he played well in a team that finished 6th ... thats about his level.

That’s a terrible argument frankly. He had a better season than Pogba, so by that analogy Pogba’s level is about mid table. Ok

 

[Plato]

He was never that good in the first place. Being [one of] our best midfielder in teams that finished in an average position of about 6th for the time he's played for us just about reflects his ability. He's been especially poor this season but we aren't exactly missing a great player because of it. He's far, far behind both Pogba and Matic even at the top of his game. His performance against Liverpool was one of the best I've seen from a player in a United shirt but Lingard isn't Messi after scoring that solo goal tonight.

That’s a terrible argument frankly. He had a better season than Pogba, so by that analogy Pogba’s level is about mid table. Ok

He didn't have a better season than Pogba lol. This is why I was calling Pogba underrated. He was better at taking his typical 5 shots a game from outside the box that go into row Z.

 

[zenith]

As someone said, he's just in terrible form. It could be down to a lot of reasons such as not knowing his role very clearly anymore, not playing regularly, etc.

He's a damn good player and is bound to come good soon, hopefully against arsenal.

 

[kouroux]

Either he passes sideways or backwards, or just falls down and rolls over. He was my favourite last season but maybe we have just overrated him big time

Herrera in a nuthshell lol

 

[prtk0811]

I don't think it's a ridiculous claim.
He still hasn't sign a contract and there are rumours he's agreed to join Atletico.
He's certainly not playing like his head is in the right place.
Has he even had a good game this season?

He does not fit in a 2 man midfeild as a pivot.

 

[prtk0811]

A 4141 high press role suits him the best.

 

[Kostur]

He does not fit in a 2 man midfeild as a pivot.

He's had his best season here in a 2 man midfield pivot.

 

[Norris]

He does not fit in a 2 man midfeild as a pivot.

That's simply not true. He's just a little out of sorts. Matic's injury should give him a chance to show that he's still a very good player.

 

[OldTrevil]

His confidence is shot, disappointing as you would have bet on him to be the guy to handle getting dropped to a back up role, but going from a player of the year season to instantly not featuring as a key kog the following season would be tough on many a player to deal with. Let's hope he finds a way to be effective again hopefully by the second half of the season.

 

[Chaky_Best]

We all agree that he is very poor this season, for few reasons :

- His confidence is near 0 this year. Can't pass, can't tackle and always seems so late at everything. Last year he was very good at getting the ball back and interception, but his comitment to the team effort was superb. This year I don't really know if he understands well what is asked to him. He's not protecting the back 3/4/5, he can't pass forward.... really strange

- Physically he is not fit at all. He looks like tiring after 30 min in every game. It's true that he had a bad injury during his pre season, but I remember his display against Madrid... OMG...When he comes in he's not up the speed at all. We all think that he may be our secret weapon against De Bruyne, like he did against Hazard, but to be honest Fellaini is better than him this season....

I don't really understand that if he's affected by Matic's arrival, but he's playing all the game. he played all the big games, comes in almost every time and is still a leader (at least vocally). Whether he was over performing last year, or he was always poor, I don't know, but to be honest, I wouldn't mind selling him this summer if we get a better midfielder.

Speaking of that, next year could be difficult for us in terms of midfielder :

Herrera may leave
Carrick will retire
Fellaini will leave
Pereira will come back

So I guess that we will need at least 2 new midfielders if this scenario happens

 

[Shark]

He genuinely looks out of his depth this season.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

His drastic loss of form is mysterious and worrying. We lost the midfield completely once he took Matic's place

 

[Robbie Boy]

I can't believe this is the same player that was consistently excellent last season.

 

[Burrow]

To be fair, he certainly wasnt helped by the way we changed the system and completely exposed our entire midfield when Rashford and Lingard went out wide in what seemed to be a 3-4-3. The pressing centrally completely disappeared, and Pogba and Herrera was left with huge amounts of room infront of them to defend, and they more or less had to back off to occupy the space behind them.

Not a great cameo to say the least, but the way we set up was certainly not helping our team.

 

[Jaybomb]

He wasn’t our best player last season. Ibra was.

In fact Ibra was probably our only really good outfield player. I thought it was a bit of a disgrace that he wasn’t given the award but I accepted that it was because he wasn’t in attendance to accept it and everyone just assumed he’s moved on so why not give an “active” player the confidence? That kinda thing.

Stats don’t tell the whole story. Chelsea game aside, Herrera wasn’t overly spectacular in the same way the likes of De Bruyne and Kante were. He just wasn’t.

I never thought he was United quality. Even on top form, he just doesn’t play like a typical United “great” to me. He’s like a Spanish Tom Cleverley. Average.

 

[Glanville95]

He’s a good player. Sort of his level, nothing more, nothing less. It’s pretty apparent that Pogba and Matic are a level above, irrespective of how well he performed last season.

Perfectly capable of being a squad player, though he has been underwhelming this season. It’s not as if he’s got a consistent amount of game time under his belt so perhaps that’s a hinderance.

 

[criticalanalysis]

He does not fit in a 2 man midfeild as a pivot.

I don't think any of our midfielders do or at least it's not progressive to actually build a team with. I.e Playing Pogba and Matic as a two being able to beat most teams then playing a three and hoping it sticks against tougher opposition.

To be fair, he certainly wasnt helped by the way we changed the system and completely exposed our entire midfield when Rashford and Lingard went out wide in what seemed to be a 3-4-3. The pressing centrally completely disappeared, and Pogba and Herrera was left with huge amounts of room infront of them to defend, and they more or less had to back off to occupy the space behind them.

Not a great cameo to say the least, but the way we set up was certainly not helping our team.

The most worrying thing for me is that Mourinho consistently sets up the team leaving a lot of work to be done by our midfielders. Of course Miki/Mata and playing Fellani there (who basically roams all around the pitch doing a lot of work but positionally all over the place) doesn't help.

If we sign another battling midfielder in the transfer windows, it would massively help our game. Just look at what Casimiro did for Zidance (who sung a lot of praise towards Makele and cricitism his transfer away from Madrid) and the Kroos/Modric partnership.

I hope that role would be given to Herrera but in the Premier League it's just not accepted to play three in the middle against 'lesser' teams when in the long term it's benefits our style and growth in intangible ways.

 

[Kostur]

He's done very well when he came on imo, credit where it's due.