I think part of looking good as a ballplaying keeper is you need guys in front of you that want the ball and move to receive it. If they're all stood there against a proactive Wolves pressing side then there isn't much that is going to happen without taking unacceptable risks. He's a keeper stood between his own posts not a fecking magician. He showed with that pass out to Garnacho the range and ability he has but as with any player, we need to be providing movement and understand how to position if we want to get the most out of it. It might take time because it's a new set of skills we didn't have before.
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 49
- Clean sheets
- 12
- Goals
- 0
- Assists
- 0
- Yellow cards
- 6
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
A bit pointless and dare I say unnecessarily risky having an eccentric playmaking goalkeeper if the rest of the team are planning to stand around like statues. Might as well have kept De Gea.
Nearly ruined a solid display with that rash tackle at the end. Lucky.
Yeah, that's a good description.
You often hear more / louder criticism of proactive keepers who look to come off their line for through balls or crosses because, when they get it wrong, it's a more glaring error than keepers who stay on their line and 'can't do anything' about a close range finish - but, as you say, they can do something by being proactive and cutting out plenty of those threats before they turn into those close range chances.
It's comparable with other discussions that go on - such as passing the ball out from the back. When that goes wrong, and leads to a goal, it's more noticeable as the error is made closer to goal. Whereas opponents scoring after a long hoof up the field turns over possession is less obvious a connection. And many don't attribute goals scored to the continual dragging opponents out of position that comes from playing through the press, whereas a long ball up front that gets flicked on and scored within seconds is a more obvious assist to notice.
He's our best player out there tonight for sure. With the way people talk about his "shot stopping" as a concern you would think he would concede at least 2 or 3 goals tonight. Very good display
What close range finish did he cut out? There was no chance to snuff out. He created a problem by coming off his line needlessly.
I was making a more general point, responding to the posters point about: "That diving catch at the end was fantastic proactive keeping. Potentially saved a goal and that’s exactly what we have missed. A keeper that stops the chance before it forms."
Wasn't actually referring to the 'penalty' incident.
Well if we're gonna praise the proactive stuff we should also accept criticism when it turns a nothing situation into a problem.
Brilliant performance
Loved the dive for the cross near the end
On the passing out from the back, to be honest Wolves didn’t press too much high up the pitch. They just let our outfielders give the ball away instead
On the passing out from the back, to be honest Wolves didn’t press too much high up the pitch. They just let our outfielders give the ball away instead
Onana was my MOTM by some distance. A nearly flawless performance — and it was no pen, not a chance — but there wasn’t even a scintilla of a glimmer that his performance, as great as it was, had any kind of “transformational” impact on our attacking play.
You understand there are two players required to make a pass work right?
He most often than not found an United player with his passing. Our forwards being sh** at winning headers and trapping long ball is not his problem.
With DDG most of the time it was either going out or not in the vicinity of targeted player for long balls.
A clean sheet after we conceded the most shots at OT in nearly 20 years is a great stat to point to for his debut and should give him and the team confidence.
He looked assured all game although surprisingly conservative - whether that was nerves or not (it didn’t seem to be) it wasn’t the worst thing in the world since you know the press would have been desperate to put the knife in.
The only player who came out of last nights game with credit. Maybe Sancho as well for his positive cameo and Varane for being fairly solid + the goal.
He looked assured all game although surprisingly conservative - whether that was nerves or not (it didn’t seem to be) it wasn’t the worst thing in the world since you know the press would have been desperate to put the knife in.
The only player who came out of last nights game with credit. Maybe Sancho as well for his positive cameo and Varane for being fairly solid + the goal.
That Cross catching save produced by Onana right at the end of the game sums up how badly we needed a goalie brave enough to come off his line.
De Gea would never have come out for that cross, Glad we made this Signing, he would save us lot of points by being proactive.
De Gea would never have come out for that cross, Glad we made this Signing, he would save us lot of points by being proactive.
There was a through ball where Varane slowed and let the striker run past him, I was about to scream then I realised Onana had come to meet the ball. I saw Chelsea's Sanchez claim a high cross on Sunday and I thought damn that's beautiful.
That potential penalty moment was a big error no other way to frame it. He misjudged the flight of the ball and made a big booboo. Apart from that though he was great. I made the big Pete comp early and I'm sticking to it. He's gonna be great for us.
Wolves were spot on with their pressing. They let Onana have the ball and only pressed when pass was made. Agreed we needed better movemenr from our players and need that trust he will find them.
The one at the end where he cut out the cross was something I’ve never seen de Gea do and that prevented a massive chance no doubt.
Interesting to note that his starting position during the build up was deeper than it has been during pre season.
The two lobbed goals he conceded have obviously changed his thought process about being too high up the pitch.
The two lobbed goals he conceded have obviously changed his thought process about being too high up the pitch.
I noticed this, I wonder if that was instructed by the manager or his own decision.
Yeah that's an interesting question, I'd imagine it has to have been EtH with the instruction, but maybe he just trusts Onana with his own decision?!
Good performance made some good saves and commanded his area well. Those cross claims towards the end of the game where an absolute pleasure to see.
Maybe got a bit lucky with the penalty shout, you don't normally see those given but you could certainly make a case for it. But I like the intent and the commitment. Already sending messages to the rest of the league that you can't just throw balls into our six yard box because Onana will have them. It's was a very valid tactic against us in the past.
In terms of his distribution and having a transformative impact on our attack. It's not going to be overly noticed in game where we spent most of our time looking at a wolves low block. But against teams that are going to press high with a high line we should hopefully notice it then that's where we and De Gea struggled most last season. That should be where we notice it the most.
Maybe got a bit lucky with the penalty shout, you don't normally see those given but you could certainly make a case for it. But I like the intent and the commitment. Already sending messages to the rest of the league that you can't just throw balls into our six yard box because Onana will have them. It's was a very valid tactic against us in the past.
In terms of his distribution and having a transformative impact on our attack. It's not going to be overly noticed in game where we spent most of our time looking at a wolves low block. But against teams that are going to press high with a high line we should hopefully notice it then that's where we and De Gea struggled most last season. That should be where we notice it the most.
What I like about him, apart from the obvious improvement in general goalkeeping, he's fronting up to every interview pre and post game. Definitely not shy and is making a claim as a squad leader already.
Only good player MOM
He still needs to calm a bit.
I think he wanted to prove that he can do better than De Gea and that he's worth it.
He has one saved that was dubbious and that jump on the striker was awful.
Other than that thought he was great
I think he wanted to prove that he can do better than De Gea and that he's worth it.
He has one saved that was dubbious and that jump on the striker was awful.
Other than that thought he was great
Performed exactly how we wanted. Class at what he's good at, some errors here and there but that is expected with his chaotic playstyle.
Overall pretty good debut. Made a few saves and generally decent short passing. I noticed some of the long passes were a bit erratic but I'm not sure if this was so much on Onana or our outfield players not being aggressive enough to win those balls.
The long pass to Garnacho in the first half was nice though.
The long pass to Garnacho in the first half was nice though.
I though he was brilliant and then nearly cost us. However I like his cockyness, if that is even a word.
He still looked more comfortable with the ball at his feet than DDG ever did. Even if it was just tapping it round the back. And we’ve already seen in pre-season he’s a level above on the ball. Don’t know why you’re so keen to be in denial about this? It’s quite obvious. There’s more than enough other reasons to be on a downer about last night anyway.
The build up wasn’t his fault, weird post
Was a penalty but otherwise a fantastic performance. Monster of a goalie.
The team were passing back to him too often. A lot of the team today were extremely passive on the ball. Its good to have a keeper who can play but that doesn’t mean the rest of the team should just stop taking responsibility on the ball. Hopefully ETH sorts that crap out
It was the latter, almost none of his long balls were aimless and our players failed every time to win it.
Yeah that was mint. So refreshing having a goalie being proactive and brave. The team has to FECKING MOVE for him though so we can utilise his passing strengths too.
After years of playing with De Gea, I think it's going to take a bit of getting used to for some of our players that are playing with a goalkeeper that has the complete opposite style.
I agree. He will make the odd blunder every so often, but the rest of his game more than compensates for it.
Yea that's what I was thinking. My only point is in time if Onana realises our players don't win these long balls he may want to rethink his distribution. Something that will come with time once he gets to know his teammates better I think.
That looked like a goal to Shaw:
Was Dawson going for his head here? That looked weird.
I just love seeing a keeper coming for crosses and to be honest I love the occasional clattering of an opposition player as well in the process. We conceded countless opportunities and goals from having a keeper who was glued to his line at all times.