How can this be even up for debate?
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- Appearances
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- Goals
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- Assists
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- Yellow cards
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He would be devastating in Pep's system.
Lingard has certain qualities that Martial doesn't and vice versa. There is a case to be made for both. I haven't seen anything pointing to Mourinho preferring Martial over Lingard though.
It's very hard to tell which is his best position. Till the game against Burnley I believed his best position was as LW, he was very good vs Burnley playing as striker. Today after moving to LW he was very good, before that he was average as striker.
He was our best player today with Bailly.
Martial seems to me like one of them players that have worlds of talent but lacks the aptitude to deliver on a weekly basis.
It's so frustrating, I just wish he had the drive to go and go again like Ronaldo, he'd be twice the player.
It's so frustrating, I just wish he had the drive to go and go again like Ronaldo, he'd be twice the player.
He was devastating in LvG's system. He's a top talent and in time things will click again. Difficult season but it happens. A summer off and full pre season will put him in good shape.
Again "attitude" mumbo-jumbo...
Been very critical of him but he's still 21. At his age, I remember fans saying we should bite Valencia's hand off for offering 24m for Ronaldo in 2006. Martial is not even as experienced as Ronaldo was at that age.
He was good today. Nothing amazing but actually useful.
This game wasn't about Martial being so much better wide than central like being said by some. He's had good games centrally as well.
Mou decided to attack and actually play some football which resulted in us finally having to play into Spur side for a while then the attacking players could at least manage to do something. And Martial being a talented player as he is (shouldn't have to remind people of this, we have an entire season last year to prove this despite what some want to convince others and themselves) he could perform.
It's as simple as that.
Mou decided to attack and actually play some football which resulted in us finally having to play into Spur side for a while then the attacking players could at least manage to do something. And Martial being a talented player as he is (shouldn't have to remind people of this, we have an entire season last year to prove this despite what some want to convince others and themselves) he could perform.
It's as simple as that.
According to CAF he has scored 8 goals and 8 assists, that's around 140 mins per goal or assist, which is a good enough stat.
Shame he didn't get run of games. Should start in as many games as possible.
Don't know how anyone can say he was great today other than the last 10 or so minutes. I guess people are that desperate for him to be great that they project it onto him. There's a good player in there somewhere but he hasn't shown it in a long time.
Fully agree.
Very poor as a striker against Arsenal and Spurs. He's so lazy to make a run behind the defenders consistently. Overall he has a poor season even when plays on the left he's been inconsistent. I won't be surprised if Jose decides to sell him this summer.
I hope I am wrong.
I hope I am wrong.
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Martial has a similar goals/assist output as Mkhitaryan and Mata but far worse defensive contributions per minute. Lingard is shambolic in terms of mins per goal but has similar defensive contribution to Mkhitaryan. This is why Lingard and Martial are given less minutes than Mkhitaryan and Mata, because they are more limited in their play.
If his hearts in it long term with United then he needs time, and a bit of love/patience, if he can't be arsed with us long term then I'd get shut in the summer, because there's alot of work to do with him still.
He's said it more than once that he wants to stay.
And I don't get the cant be arsed. Worked as hard as anyone on the pitch today.
He has the ability. If he can acquire the right mentality, he could easily up his game by several notches and be one of the best in the world. He has to find consistency, and has to be more aggressive.
But still not actually answered.
The key in my opinion. He has to be more confident and direct. At the moment he takes too long before deciding to run at his man.
I don't think work rate is the issue. The two are very different.
Just look at Rashford and the contrast is huge. Rashford is aggressive and confident in everything he does, you rarely see his head drop. If Martial had the same mentality, I think he'd be the better player. He's incredibly talented, it just isn't working out for some reason.
If he deserves to be sold, then 80% of our current squad should join him.
Thank you some people don't seem as sensible as you on here
Yeah should be the tag line for the caf
Show us the evidence
I could have calculated defensive contribution per 90 minutes but i was in a hurry when i calculated themDefensive contributions per minute
Defensive contributions divided by minutes played is what i settle with
Talk is cheap, and you've taken the can't be arsed bit out of context.
Sure Jose knows if he's up for it long term, so we'll see how it plays out, unsure at this point though personally.
Martial is an investment. Some forget how young he is.
If he wants to stay, and he's said he does, then no reason for him to leave.
If he wants to stay, and he's said he does, then no reason for him to leave.
I am actually talking about his contribution this season instead of who has better potential and talent.
I believe players like Pogba, Herrera, Bailly, Rojo, Blind, Valencia, De Gea, Romero, Zlatan, Pogba, Rashford, Mata, Young, Fellaini, and Mkhy have done much better than Martial this season. Only Shaw, Mensah, Rooney, Lingard, Smalling have done worse than Martial. That's clearly not 80%.
I hope Martial stays though.
Was he? I was at the spurs game and apart from the run leading up to the goal, he didn't really do much at all. He wouldn't jump for the ball the entire first half, didn't pressure the back line, he looked quite lost until he got shifted out to the wing. I am a big big fan and backer of Martial but to say he was our best player, erm no. If the ball isn't to feet or isn't allowed to turn he didn't offer much. I give him praise when it's due but I won't praise him for the sake of an assist.
I missed a decent portion of the game, so between that and being swayed by at least having a better performance than usual, maybe I have a distorted view of him today.
At the stage where I'll be very happy if he stays, will understand if he leaves. His assist yesterday shows he can still do it and that it's got very little to do with tactics, just doesn't do it enough.
Havent seen the game, nor have i seen highlights nor the goal Rooney scored... however every player who can make current Rooney score a goal is a good player.
More serious.. good first season and a "bad" second season isnt that uncommon. I hope he stays for a lomg time.
More serious.. good first season and a "bad" second season isnt that uncommon. I hope he stays for a lomg time.
He plays like a youth team player who's just come to senior football.
He's spectacularly one-dimensional. Stand on the left, wait for the ball, try to beat the defender. He'll repeat that all game. There's no movement, no one touch quick passes, no give and go's. He doesn't do anything else.
He's spectacularly one-dimensional. Stand on the left, wait for the ball, try to beat the defender. He'll repeat that all game. There's no movement, no one touch quick passes, no give and go's. He doesn't do anything else.
Been the same every time he's played in his "best" position this season.
He's always looking for this on the edge of the box. Give and go's cutting in from the left is one of his most common plays.
Looks like a player that actually wants to fight for his place in the final. With the way our other wingers are playing, I think he deserves it.
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