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Which one was world class?I just saw on United's website that McT's goal against Southampton got more votes than Martial's world class goal as the pick of the bunch
McTominay goal deserved all angles video tbf. It was such a clean hit.Which one was world class?
The Cavani goal was my favourite but I don't think any of them were particularly special.
Yeah he's a brilliant striker of the ball. I'm bemused at the mocking of it compared to Martial's goals. Think McTominay's was better than them both.
His first one. I don't even know why you would smugly put a laughing emoji at that. Go back and watch it and tell me how many strikers are capable of that. The whole thing was top drawer by the way, from Bruno's chip to the finishWhich one was world class?
The Cavani goal was my favourite but I don't think any of them were particularly special.
I actually agree now that I think about it. If Cavani had scored that goal people would have rightly been going mad but with Martial, he doesn't get the praise he deserves for the good things and gets massively over scrutinized for the bad things. To be fair though, the Mctominay goal is also pretty good, its a very clean strike.
It was a good hit for sure, but in no way better than Martial's
Yeah maybe for you. For me McTominay's was the best goal. Not sure there is anything much to argue, people like different type of goals and looks like majority of people liked McTominay's goal or at least from the voted bunch.
Sorry! I agree that was over the line.
The problem is that referees rarely give penalties if players don't go down and/or make a fuss. The sport is increasingly less physical and Martial going down for the slightest touch as he did against Southampton is a symptom of what the game is nowadays. I played a football tournament in Spain when I was a teenager and the young players there would go down like a sack of potatoes for very little. It's become so ingrained that it doesn't seem fair to call out players for attempting to take advantage of it. The completely fake simulations deserve derision, there's no doubt about that. I also don't understand why Bednarek's red card was rescinded but Luiz's wasn't. Both were running behind the player, both only just caught the attacking man, and yet only one was apparently worthy of a red.
He wasn't great last season or the seasons before that, his goals masked his poor performances, he's always been a maramite player (hence why he's always had his critics, hence why he was dropped from the France squad for 2 years+) and a marmite player is what he will always be, he will never light the Premier League up and be the main driving force of Manchester United, he will never be a player where other players want to join Manchester United because they want to play alongside Anthony Martial.
What a load of absolute nonsense. He was our best player last season, where were you then?
On his "ON" day he is absolutely brilliant! If he was allways ON and gave his all, he wouldn't get much stick.
Because he's lazy.
That’s fair enough and I wouldn’t disagree but where I do seem to differ from others is that I can name 4/5 way more frustrating players in this team, Rashford included. We haven’t been a consistent team since Fergie left (until now) and so I think it’s unfair to single out one player in all that mess.
My eyes!
Because he's frankly not good enough to be the main of a club planning on winning leagues.
Ideally every top club should have good players like Martial to be ready to come off the bench to change the game. If he can be convinced to be working hard for 20 minutes he can be a great player for us. Him starting should be really out of question because in his more hardworking games, he´s not making runs, wants the ball to be played into feet, hardly reaches full speed because he´s saving energy for some time later.
Martial is one the most gifted player at the club,at 18 he showed the promise to become one of the best forwards in football with his physical and technical qualities, the frustrating thing about him is he doesn't apply himself enough.... His attitude and mentality is his only limitation, you look at the likes of Bruno,Rashford,Fred,Mctominay,Cavani,if he applied himself like this guys,He'll match any forward in the league, at his best he is unplayable, but he doesn't try hard enough,he doesn't have the hunger to be the best,that's were the criticism comes from
He is not alone in the frustrating player department.
I agree with your general point about the diving, even more now there are no fans and you can hear the dipshits screaming like someone has just told them their dinner guests are Rees-mogg, pritti patel and matt nocock. I cant agree with the bolded though, they are sportsmen, nothing else, most of them are to be honest, on the thick side, and a lot of them appear to have very questionable moral compasses. I would say the onus is on the parents to explain to kids why these are some really shitty choices for role models.
Hard disagree with you here.
Yea there's nothing to argue about it, any way you analyse the goals, be it in terms of technique, placement or power, Martial's comes out on top. Most people voting for McT's goal doesn't change my view, it only makes the whole thing more comical. It's also a microcosm about many of the fan polls, that are heavily influenced by media narratives about the players or the subject instead of actual reality.
He's had a negative bias surrounding him for as long as I can remember, and a lot of it goes back to Jose era and the character assassination job he did on him for sure. I also think a section of the English want to hound him out the club hoping that it will lead to the thriving of their darlings Mason and Rashy. Every good performance of his is underplayed, and if he doesn't score, it's turned to shit. As you mentioned earlier, a quick example is that goal he scored, if anyone else scored that it would have got its deserved adulation. Anyway he's lived through the nonsense for the last few years so he's well experienced with it, I'm not worried about him.
Incredibly petty to be so outraged and defensive about something so trivial.
I agree Greenwood is similar but I think Rashford is entirely opposite. He runs in behind all game which is why he thrives on space but in tight games, he doesn't come to feet enough and isn't good enough with his back to goal. The only thing they have in common is that they both lack that real striker's instinct in the box which Cavani showcases.
FantasticMartial arts.
Rasford until recently was getting the ball deep and passing it backwards and sideways a lot. Coming deeper to get to ball and not doing anything with it.. also letting his man double up on the full back which drives me nuts. I understand against a low block there’s no space behind but that’s really where we needed one of the 3 to do the physical job in the middle and pressure the defenders and move them around and none of them stepped up until Cavani came along. I think all 3 have wide forward characteristics. Cavani is an actual striker and the difference in the runs he makes and the aggressive pressing style is pretty stark to me. Greenwood might develop there but I think he’s in his second best position at the moment just a little out of form.
Learn to be role models for your own kids. You're 40 plus expecting a 25 year old to be role models and idols????? Society in a nutshell.
This is the first season that Martial has gone through a barren spell, something that all strikers go through so I don't agree with him being a very streaky player as you mentioned. He's also heavily involved in our buildup whether he's scoring or not, something that tends to get ignored. Also I don't think he's that similar to Rashford other than in their ability to produce a moment of magic out of no where. Rashford is suited to the wing, where he can use his explosiveness and dribbling in less traffic while running into space.
he doesn’t make agressive runs. Most of the time he takes the ball to the left of a strikers natural starting position and tries to link up with 1/2s. He doesn’t get involved in the physical side of things enough and his lack of intense work rate and pressing has been pointed out many times. I honestly think he’s a good player just not the right player. I hope you’re right and we don’t have to spend a fortune on a striker soon but I reckon we will unless martial hits top form again asap. You can’t be scoring 4 goals in the league by February and starting most games and expect to not have competition breathing down your neck.
absolutely clueless, i don’t know where to begin with this
He’s kind of right about Martial having a few stinkers last year and he is hit and miss quite often during his time here but saying he wasn’t great last year was just stupid he was arguably our best player.
I have had enough of him but he was our best player post lockdown, everything good we did came from him.
haha!
Yeah I’m in the same boat, sick of him this season and many other seasons but last year he was great and I can’t believe anyone is saying otherwise
