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Nah Rashford was miles worse and should have been off before either.
This is what people need to understand. Rashford plays on the wing. Martial plays in his 2 favoured positions. 9 and left wing.
Rashford himself is poor af. Martial can not do anything if Rashford while playing on the wing doesn't pass to the #9. Continuously runs into traffic to the point that when he actually passes the ball, no one is expecting it.
Agreed. I sense some on here would set up a Mourinho-type system, play Cavani as a target man and constantly hoof the ball to him and Rashford while Martial sits on the bench
Definitely, I remember at least 5 good runs he made in behind that got ignored, and countless times he offered himself deep only for the player with the ball to take ages with it until the space closed.
Agreed. I sense some on here would set up a Mourinho-type system, play Cavani as a target man and constantly hoof the ball to him and Rashford while Martial sits on the bench
fecking hell it's Cavani, not lukaku or Ashley Barnes.Regardless, playing any of them as a target man or central focal point especially in a system that's dying for creativity and link-up, while having Martial on the bench, is bonkers
No one plays as Target man. Cavani is all about movement, one touch play.
All it takes is for Rashford to beak through one time and the balls in the net. He at least looks threatening and presses far better without the ball.
It seems you're the one in a bonkers world, putting words in my mouth and responding to your own imagined statements
What is this obsession with putting Greenwood up top? He's been shite whenever he's played there because he's not ready, Martial even in current form is 2 or 3 times the CF Greenwood is and on top of that, Greenwood is developing nicely out on the right... why feck that up?
What? You are the one who moaned about Cavani, saying he is target man. I said he isn't one.
Yeah, Greenwood should be our RW. He isn't ready to play as CF and also I don't see why he should even play as CF when he can play to his strengths as a RWF.
You misunderstood. Cavani and his target man playstyle should feck off to Stoke or Sunderland so Martial can be unimpeded by "competition" or "hard work". Don't you see he's talented?
I said when Cavani isn't playing. Cavani should be our main striker, but I would prefer Greenwood over Martial upfront at the moment when Cavani isn't playing, as I don't think Martial is offering much currently. I know he got the two goals against saints, but that was a very odd game. I also don't think Greenwood has been "shite" when playing up top. I think he's only played about 5/6 games up there. Got a goal, two assists. Not bad.
Can you point to where I said Cavani is target man, or that Ole plays him as one and we hoof the ball to him?
Agreed. I sense some on here would set up a Mourinho-type system, play Cavani as a target man and constantly hoof the ball to him and Rashford while Martial sits on the bench
So if you didn't say 'Cavani is a target man' then what's the point of your 2 posts? Especially the third one which says "playing any of them as a target man".
Tbf to Martial, he always responded well to the challenge and won his position. Hopefully he will do it again.You misunderstood. Cavani and his target man playstyle should feck off to Stoke or Sunderland so Martial can be unimpeded by "competition" or "hard work". Don't you see he's talented?
My second post was emphasizing on the first, and in neither of them do I say Cavani is a target man. In fact I'm laughing at those who would play him as one...
But he's miles worse than Martial as a striker, even this season. Greenwood is just hitting form again, playing from the right, there's no need to put him up top where he'll be bullied by centre backs. In a couple of years when he's physically developed, I can see him taking the CF spot, but right now, there is no point.
Either your expectations for Martial are incredibly low or you're a proud member of the MDL because in no way shape or form can't that performance be labelled as him playing "very well"
Okay 'very well' is perhaps an exaggeration for his overall performance but there were certainly some elements that were positive to see return. He carried a threat, held the ball up very well and created a few chances for himself which admittedly he could have done more with on another occasion, there was also a couple of occasions I watched him work back in and defend well.Either your expectations for Martial are incredibly low or you're a proud member of the MDL because in no way shape or form can't that performance be labelled as him playing "very well"
As for the rest why would you bench someone who is actually contributing with either goals or assist for someone who's playing equally as poor but not contributing towards the goal tally?
No idea what you do with him. We've tried to play him through the rough patch and that's just made fans turn on him.
He did look decent, albeit against a 10 men Soton coming off the bench but don't know if he'll except that role. Thought them goals would be the confidence boost he needed but alas.
Hope he can turn it around for the 2nd half of the season we'll need him if we go deep into the Europa and want to maintain are league position.
I disagree with that, on current form. Personally I think Martial has been very poor lately and would try something different when Cavani isn't playing. Again, this isn't me saying Greenwood should now be our number one striker going forward. But personally I don't think Martial has been offering much of anything lately in that area. Hence why Cavani has overtaken him as our main striker. At least for the time being.
I understand that youre going on current form, no issue there, as am I. Every time Greenwood has played up top, he's been manhandled by CBs. Once he's grown into his body I can see him being an excellent CF but he's not ready for it yet
I think that’s probably correct. Rashford has been much better than him this season though and he might still have created something out of nothing. Martial is way off but Rashford is so selfish relative to his level of output. He really needs to look up and stop trying to do it all alone because we aren’t going to win anything with just his goals and that’s all he’s providing on the days he does play well. It’s looking like the covid form was an anomaly. They aren’t finding each other at all or even really trying to. They started to taper off majorly by the end of last season and it’s carried over and went on for far longer than anyone imagined it would or could. Thank feck Cavani was available!
Yeah, his selfishness is infuriating. There were at least 2 occasions when he was belting up the pitch at 900 miles an hour, Martial was after taking up a position between FB and CB and Rashford, instead of passing it and darting inside/outside, he decided to sprint right at Martial and lose possession as he was surrounded by 3 or 4 players (his markers + Martial's markers). Literally had no idea what he was thinking.
that kind of stuff is hopefully getting ironed out of his game behind the scenes before it all finally comes together and he reaches the very top level but im not really seeing much progression in his all round game. It looks like he’s being told to be more selfish and to stay forward. I’m being honest if we keep attacking like this we aren’t going to win the EL even if we go all out. That’s a very poor ROI considering we will be fielding the most expensive and well paid team in the competition, by far. Our lads need to stop waiting for Bruno to do it and start using each other.
