Rykker_4united
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I thought barring the back pass he was quite excellent and I love that he's adapted so well to this new role.
Counting tackles instead of how many times he let the opponent get past him or was one of the main culprits when we conceeded a goal.
This was the alarming thing for me, he was constantly out of position. I saw him a few times at CM, whats he doing there?Counting tackles instead of how many times he let the opponent get past him or was one of the main culprits when we conceeded a goal.
We have several posters here who do the same thing. Making 8 tackles is very nice, but doesn't make up for being the weak link and costing your team goals. The 8 tackles pad your good performance, they arent what decides whether it was a good performance and certainly not on a day when said player is constantly exposed by opponents going past him, or is completely out of position
Sometimes he was sticking with his man who got on the ball and went towards the other flank, but at some point you need to pass him on to a teammate and get back into your actual position. If you watch the video of the first goal I posted shortly after the match, the video starts off with Valencia at the top of the screen coming back from the left wing... Slowly. Most likely he's followed his man all that way and he doesnt get back in time so Smalling goes out to confront Ozil.This was the alarming thing for me, he was constantly out of position. I saw him a few times at CM, whats he doing there?
Nah, you're wrong. He's returning from the centre of the pitch. Not the left wing. He had followed Sanchez there (who was in possession at the time) then got back into position after the ball was moved on.Sometimes he was sticking with his man who got on the ball and went towards the other flank, but at some point you need to pass him on to a teammate and get back into your actual position. If you watch the video of the first goal I posted shortly after the match, the video starts off with Valencia at the top of the screen coming back from the left wing... Slowly. Most likely he's followed his man all that way and he doesnt get back in time so Smalling goes out to confront Ozil.
Rafael is a player who often stays with his man after that player passes the ball, but he doesnt take the piss like following him on to the other side of the pitch
He's not.He gets picked as he's consistently better simple.
This is the main problem with him,he isn't a very good footballer.When does Valencia go from a RW being played out of position to an actual RB? He has played all of this season at RB/RWB and has played 15-20 times at RB before this season. For me he is now considered as much a RB as he is a RW, in fact he is probably better at RB than at RW. The problem is he just isn't very good at either positions.
That's bollox. His first touch is as good as any other player on the team. Touch is a great way to judge technique.This is the main problem with him,he isn't a very good footballer.
He was a good athlete, which seemed to be what most people praised him for, now his pace has all but upped and left you are left with a player who is extremely limited in his ability on the ball and for the most part not very good off it either.
I wouldn't say that he's that limited. His touches and passing are quite good, and he's very composed on the ball. He's quite good at maintaining possession and passing the ball around, but his main weaknesses are that he's a poor dribbler and a slightly-below-average crosser of the ball. It's clear that he's not really cut out to play as part of a back 4 against good sides, but his energy, pace, and discipline are useful against more limited opposition.This is the main problem with him,he isn't a very good footballer.
He was a good athlete, which seemed to be what most people praised him for, now his pace has all but upped and left you are left with a player who is extremely limited in his ability on the ball and for the most part not very good off it either.
He doesn't get injured every other game like .... I don't know...Rafael!!!How has a guy so out of his depth for so much of his time at United managed to play so many fecking games?
I do agree he should not have followed a player so far away from his position. However, it had happened, and with Valencia in Smalling's space - Smalling should have covered his position.Sometimes he was sticking with his man who got on the ball and went towards the other flank, but at some point you need to pass him on to a teammate and get back into your actual position. If you watch the video of the first goal I posted shortly after the match, the video starts off with Valencia at the top of the screen coming back from the left wing... Slowly. Most likely he's followed his man all that way and he doesnt get back in time so Smalling goes out to confront Ozil.
Rafael is a player who often stays with his man after that player passes the ball, but he doesnt take the piss like following him on to the other side of the pitch
He did cover his position, which unfortunately turned out to be the greater of the evils. If you give Ozil time and space because Valencia is walking back to right back and nobody is near him, he might have hurt us but he might not have. We'd probably have got away with it if Smalling ignored Valencia's mistake.I do agree he should not have followed a player so far away from his position. However, it had happened, and with Valencia in Smalling's space - Smalling should have covered his position.
Blame should be apportioned equally.
I was just thinking this the other day. For all of Valencia's annoying traits (one-footedness, indecisiveness, poor crossing, etc.) he does have a silky first touch. Not quite Berbatov or Mata, but impressive nonetheless. That being said, we really could do with an upgrade at RB.That's bollox. His first touch is as good as any other player on the team. Touch is a great way to judge technique.
I've got a great first touch, I can pull a ball out of the air on either foot, on my chest, standing or on the run.That's bollox. His first touch is as good as any other player on the team. Touch is a great way to judge technique.
If your touch was as good as you say it is but you're still no good at football you're either a fat feck who can't run for shit, incapable of kicking a ball straight or an utter coward. Or all three. Valencia is none of these things, hence is actually really good at football. What with playing for Manchester United and being a consistent starter under three different managers, including the best manager in the history of the game.I've got a great first touch, I can pull a ball out of the air on either foot, on my chest, standing or on the run.
Can get a ball under no matter how hard it's fired at me.
I am not a very good footballer though, hence why I run a parcel delivery depot.
If Valencia was a good footballer, I kind of guess he would be really good at football, which he isn't.
Yep agree with Valencia but Jones made yet another idiotic decision by trying to play when it wasn't on.Van Gaal wants the players to play, that is his MO. Granted Jones mis-controlled but the ball landed nicely at Valencia's feet and the pass was not difficult.
Really?Fair play to him for coming out and admitting to his mistake. I respect him a lot more after that.
Yet his brain farts cost us dearly. He really needs to sort out his positioning in case he wants to stay our RBSanchez was very clever in the build up to their 1st goal. He dragged Valencia into the centre of the pitch where he could have no influence at all. The second goal was very silly though. He looked to be leaning back and hit the top of the ball when trying the backpass. Strangely enough had a good game apart from those brain farts.
Thiago Silva was a fault last night for the penalty but had a brilliant game. Van Gaal said Valencia was our best player on the night, which I probably agree with.Can someone really have a good game "aside from those mistakes." I mean, I get what people are saying but c'mon. Anyone can have a good game if you completely disregard their errors.
I agree with you. What it only goes to show is how poor the rest of them were if a guy who's errors cost us the game is singled out as our best player on the night by the manager.Can someone really have a good game "aside from those mistakes." I mean, I get what people are saying but c'mon. Anyone can have a good game if you completely disregard their errors.
Really?
I'd respect him more if I saw him make a pass with his left foot.
When someone has a poor game, it's usually based on more than one or two errors. They'll generally get something wrong almost every time they touch the ball. You can definitely judge a performance in isolation from one really bad error. And he only made one really bad error. You'd have to be completely clueless to make him the main cuplrit in the first goal.Can someone really have a good game "aside from those mistakes." I mean, I get what people are saying but c'mon. Anyone can have a good game if you completely disregard their errors.
It's ironic really, because Valencia's greatest attribute is to pass the ball backwards rather than forwards.I thought barring the back pass he was quite excellent and I love that he's adapted so well to this new role.
Yeah really, footballers are very egotistical people so for him to come out and apologise for his error is very surprising.Really?
I'd respect him more if I saw him make a pass with his left foot.
Get the feck out.Yeah really, footballers are very egotistical people so for him to come out and apologise for his error is very surprising.
Why? It's true, I've worked at football clubs in the past so I've seen it first hand. Or do you just not like the fact I've called your heroes egotistical?Get the feck out.
Less than 1 year ago, this article was written.He was a good athlete, which seemed to be what most people praised him for, now his pace has all but upped and left you are left with a player who is extremely limited in his ability on the ball and for the most part not very good off it either.
How people can say he's lost pace despite seeing him run up and down our right flank as both a wingback and rightback all this season, just solidifies my opinion that half the people who post on forums don't watch games and just state blanket recycled opinions for some secret windup pleasure.Less than 1 year ago, this article was written.
http://www.footballgate.com/2014/06/18/the-10-fastest-players-in-the-world-according-to-fifa/
According to that he was one of the fastest players on the planet.
I dont think he has lost his pace and is still one of the fastest players in the league.
According to those kind of articles Phil Jagielka is an Olympic standard sprinter.Less than 1 year ago, this article was written.
http://www.footballgate.com/2014/06/18/the-10-fastest-players-in-the-world-according-to-fifa/
According to that he was one of the fastest players on the planet.
I dont think he has lost his pace and is still one of the fastest players in the league.