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He'll be fine. His movement is really good but we're not really creating the right opportunities for either of our wide players right now. There were loads of times he got himself in good positions last night but the ball didn't come.
 

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It’s important that we remember we are buying players that will fit into a system.

Antony and Sancho look like perfect system players for the kind of football we want to play
 

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It’s important that we remember we are buying players that will fit into a system.

Antony and Sancho look like perfect system players for the kind of football we want to play
Precisely this. Sancho and Antony will become even better the more time spent in our new team. Even now, while not setting the world alight, they are doing a good job within the system and both on the scoresheet in the last couple of weeks.
 

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Precisely this. Sancho and Antony will become even better the more time spent in our new team. Even now, while not setting the world alight, they are doing a good job within the system and both on the scoresheet in the last couple of weeks.
Exactly.

We are building a team and it’s important to get players that fit into the system.
 

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Not being involved a lot so far but I'm really impressed with his basic technique. Quite similar to Greenwood in that area.
 

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Ronaldo was 17 year old kid (5 years Antony's junior) but we would have been questioned even paying that for someone who had 1 season. Ronaldo actually made an immediate impact as his debut was electric. his performance earned praise from Best, who hailed it as "undoubtedly the most exciting debut" he had ever seen. He was a menace every game and beat players incredibly easily. He was never passive and people are revising his early years. I actually preferred him to Rooney back then. It was more his end product that was lacking but he always had the pace and skill making him a threat, scored in the FA cup final that same year. Alan Hansen described him as the star of the final. I'm from South East London and have many Millwall supporting friends and some went to the final. They said Ronaldo was the best player they have ever seen live. In his debut season Gary Neville said he was "not a show pony, but the real thing", and predicted he would become a world-class player. He also won the Matt Busby fans player of the season in his 1st year so I would love Antony to have this impact
Straight to Wikipedia, by any chance? :lol:

Wikipedia also mentions (which you left out) that he had been criticised by the media that season. 4 league goals was it? According to Wiki, 6 in 40 for the season. He was a million miles away from the player he became, and Antony will (rightfully) smash that number this season. Let's not play silly beggars. I remember going to Old Trafford and United fans giving him abuse, calling him greedy. I never heard the term 'show pony' used so much as the beginning of his United career. It took him 3 seasons to hit double figures for goals - that should give you an indicator of how long it took him to fulfil his potential. I remember those early days very well, he probably was considered better than an even younger Wayne Rooney by some. It felt 50/50 at the time amongst fans on who they preferred. But Rooney was shitting on Ronaldo's stats for a while, let's face it.

But this isn't about who is better. Obviously Antony will never be Ronaldo. But it's about time required to allow players to settle in so they can fulfil their potential. You're right we would have been questioned if we spent £100m on Ronaldo. But after a few years, those that questioned him would be laughing on the other side of their face. That's my point.
 
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Love his through balls and passing, he has a lovely weight to them. Obviously a very technical player, will take him a while to adapt.
 

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It is easy to see why most people are slightly worried. That we will have 2 wingers who are not great in beating their man while wanting the ball at their feet at all times. If you add Martial type of player on top of that, seems fairly logical that someone who is more direct and more off the ball runner would probably be a better fit. Like Rashford on LW for example. Also, United in their best years always had an electric winger who was a menace to deal with (Best, Giggs, Ronaldo), so people probably expected more of that, firstly from Sancho and now Antony.
I would love to see a front 4 like this at some point, just to see how it does:

Martial
Rashford -- Sancho -- Antony

Rashford the profile to run in behind as he does so well; Sancho roaming around the sort of left side of the field but more centrally; Martial playing as he does upfront; and Antony keeping width as a right winger who can come in on his left.
 

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I would love to see a front 4 like this at some point, just to see how it does:

Martial
Rashford -- Sancho -- Antony

Rashford the profile to run in behind as he does so well; Sancho roaming around the sort of left side of the field but more centrally; Martial playing as he does upfront; and Antony keeping width as a right winger who can come in on his left.
Yeah, definitely worth a try.
 

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It seems like people were expecting a pacy winger who beats players 1v1 all the time. Don't get me wrong, I haven't seen a ton of him prior to his time at United but he seems more of the playmaker type who obviously does have some flair and dribbling ability. He has been relatively low-key so far but theres tons to be excited about even just from these few games for United. He clearly works extremely hard offensively and defensively, good quick passing, quick movement, already knows the system - he needs time to get to know the team still though, I think once he builds better relationships with the players around him he'll look much better.
 

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Comparing performances with price tags is a stupid activity, unless you are Arnald/Murtaugh, and even then it’s stupid to do before two seasons have passed.

That said, I thought Antony played below in attack, but above par in defence for a player in his position. Better the first two outings. For a completely new player, he’s done allright.
Except we do that all the time here though, laughing at Grealish price tag at City and Nunez price tag at Liverpool. Sure one day they could all be world beaters, but let’s not shy ourself away from giving honest assessment, just because he is our player.
 

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Yeah we all know good Ronaldo was, you honestly don't need to try to push your agenda with me. I don't know if you're just a kid that's just discovered how good Ronaldo was and now feel like you need to 'educate' us on something we all know full well ourselves, or if you're some cringeworthy middle aged bloke that feels like he has to jump to his defence at every opportunity? Either way, I'm not interested in hearing your crap.

But, you've completely missed the point. Just to explain it again to you, Ronaldo could have cost us £100m and he would have still needed the time and experience at this level to become the player he was. Antony needs the time and experience at this level to become the player he can be. Price tag should be irrelevant if you want to nurture a players potential. If you pile too much pressure on before they're ready to live up to that price tag then you'll never reap the rewards. These are just human beings afterall.
Fair enough, it was late tbf. Wasn’t trying to push any agenda.
 

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Antony and Sancho will be assist machines once you put a competent #9 in between them. Right now, you have the two pieces of bread (wingers) you need something in the middle to make the sandwich... tasty.
 

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Straight to Wikipedia, by any chance? :lol:

Wikipedia also mentions (which you left out) that he had been criticised by the media that season. 4 league goals was it? According to Wiki, 6 in 40 for the season. He was a million miles away from the player he became, and Antony will (rightfully) smash that number this season. Let's not play silly beggars. I remember going to Old Trafford and United fans giving him abuse, calling him greedy. I never heard the term 'show pony' used so much as the beginning of his United career. It took him 3 seasons to hit double figures for goals - that should give you an indicator of how long it took him to fulfil his potential. I remember those early days very well, he probably was considered better than an even younger Wayne Rooney by some. It felt 50/50 at the time amongst fans on who they preferred. But Rooney was shitting on Ronaldo's stats for a while, let's face it.

But this isn't about who is better. Obviously Antony will never be Ronaldo. But it's about time required to allow players to settle in so they can fulfil their potential. You're right we would have been questioned if we spent £100m on Ronaldo. But after a few years, those that questioned him would be laughing on the other side of their face. That's my point.
yeah buddy. The criticism was over the top and mostly haters focusing on his overuse of tricks. Wiki missed out his Matt busby award so the United fans still voted him the player of the season so the whiners you sat next to must have been "old heads" or "boomers".

Right midfielders in those days not many scored a lot of goals. In his debut season Ronaldo managed 6 goals and 8 assists (14 goal contributions)in 40 appearances which is a goal contribution every 2.8 games which isn't bad for a right midfielder aged 17/18 playing just 2300 minutes (equivalent of 25 full matches). Giggs only scored 9 goals that year and he was considered world class. There were seasons when Ronaldo was denied by the post more than anyone in our team so bar a bit of luck would of had more.

Ronaldo only scored a lot once he moved into the forward line where Anthony already plays. You are comparing different positions but I dont know why you focus so much on goals for a right midfielder when Beckham only made double figures in goals 4 TIMES in his united career playing RM. In his 2nd season Ronnie bagged 9 goals and 9 assists in 50 appearances 3716 minutes (40 odd full games). I'd say that's pretty immediate impact.

I would expect a forward in todays football to smash goal scoring of a side midfielder in a 4-4-2 as I would expect a 17 year old Ronaldo playing in the forward line today to smash his early career goals no problem.
 

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Antony and Sancho will be assist machines once you put a competent #9 in between them. Right now, you have the two pieces of bread (wingers) you need something in the middle to make the sandwich... tasty.
we need goals from them. cant just rely on Ronaldo. Like Pep says, if you play in his foward line you have to score. Casemeiro isn't going to score, neither is Mctom or Fred. Maybe Bruno? If we have once or 2 sources of goals we might become easy to handle
 

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we need goals from them. cant just rely on Ronaldo. Like Pep says, if you play in his foward line you have to score. Casemeiro isn't going to score, neither is Mctom or Fred. Maybe Bruno? If we have once or 2 sources of goals we might become easy to handle
Problem is right now we have a number 9 that is way too one dimensional and can be marked out of the game easily. We need someone who can draw more attention and free up space for our wingers to be more of a threat. I will say though that our ball retention in the final thirds has markedly improved since he came into the team
 

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we need goals from them. cant just rely on Ronaldo. Like Pep says, if you play in his foward line you have to score. Casemeiro isn't going to score, neither is Mctom or Fred. Maybe Bruno? If we have once or 2 sources of goals we might become easy to handle
Unless its against Leeds**
 

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Its unlucky that Antony didn't get two assists last night, from his dink over the top to Ronaldo that he smashed high and wide, and then the one that was cleared off the line.

Getting two assists would make his stats from his first 3 games look so much more promising. Oh well, the goal against Arsenal was still cool and much welcomed.
 

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Except we do that all the time here though, laughing at Grealish price tag at City and Nunez price tag at Liverpool. Sure one day they could all be world beaters, but let’s not shy ourself away from giving honest assessment, just because he is our player.
If you do that, you do that, I’m just saying it is a stupid and nonsensical way to evaluate performances. Nonsensical is not the same as honest, after all.
 

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He’s been pretty meh tbh, but scoring on his debut and the Queen carcking it has allowed us & him a good month or two before anyone in the media notices.

Which is great, ‘cos the last thing we need is an expensive skilful attacking player getting his confidence battered just as we’re easing everyone into a new system.
 

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He’s been pretty meh tbh, but scoring on his debut and the Queen carcking it has allowed us & him a good month or two before anyone in the media notices.

Which is great, ‘cos the last thing we need is an expensive skilful attacking player getting his confidence battered just as we’re easing everyone into a new system.
Watched the Sheriff game again honestly, he could have had two assists.

Quick free kick to Ronaldo put him in behind he hit it into the stands. Put Sancho in and he had his shot cleared off the goal line.

United have two wingers that will register 15+ assists and get 10+ goals this season IMO and they're only 22 years old.

I have zero doubts over Antony or Sancho. I do think United need a "proper CF/ST" though.

Rashford and Martial will do a job there but won't be converting 30+ a season. Rashford is great on the counter but in the other games with low blocks a number 9 is really needed.
 

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Watched the Sheriff game again honestly, he could have had two assists.

Quick free kick to Ronaldo put him in behind he hit it into the stands. Put Sancho in and he had his shot cleared off the goal line.

United have two wingers that will register 15+ assists and get 10+ goals this season IMO and they're only 22 years old.

I have zero doubts over Antony or Sancho. I do think United need a "proper CF/ST" though.

Rashford and Martial will do a job there but won't be converting 30+ a season. Rashford is great on the counter but in the other games with low blocks a number 9 is really needed.
You sadist.
 

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I believe he’s a better player than even Sancho . More pace, more athletic I’m so impressed with Antony his ceiling is so high. Decision making is very mature even at this stage. Honestly reminds me of Ronaldo who had little as far as stats at age 20-21 but the talent was there for all to see.
We need to get him the ball early before the two defenders double up on him but so far Dalot keeps going inside but I’m sure Eric will work on that.
 

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If you do that, you do that, I’m just saying it is a stupid and nonsensical way to evaluate performances. Nonsensical is not the same as honest, after all.
Well, but thats not only it, isn't it? Even if you totally ignore his price tag, there is another thing call expectation too.
 

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I'm saying it because we paid the money for potential, not finished product. That should be obvious to anybody. So why judge him on price tag right now unless you're desperate for him to fail or to blame ETH/Murtough etc? It just seem stupid to me.

Like I said, if we'd paid £100m for many players over the years, we'd have called them a flop in their first season. Ronaldo being an example, if we'd paid big money for his potential, which in this day we 100% would have had to do. You'd all be saying he's shit in his first season, but give it another 12 months or so, suddenly he's with £100m+. That's what happens when you buy players based on potential and what they can be.

If it was a 25+ year old winger that had done it at the top level, fair enough they will be judged. It just seems pointless to judge Antony straight away on his price tag. There's not many (any?) that have lived up to that sort of valuation, what chance does a young player have that has only played in Eredivise and the Brazilian league? Leave that sort of scrutiny to opposition fans that will look to tear our players down as quickly as possible, not our own supporters who should know first hand how talent is turned into top class players with time.
I did say it was foolish to judge him for the first 18months? So I am not disagreeing with you there....but the rest of your post I pretty much disagree with.

£80m+ for potential? Please, tell me another player that has gone for anything like that fee merely on potential? We are talking about a player with champions league experience and winning the league in the country he played in. YOu pay £30-50m tops for massive potential, get out of here, he is what the 4th or 5th biggest fee in premiership history? He cost £10m more than Sancho.

Of coruse there is a settling in period fans should have patience with, its remarkable and not the usual how quickly most of the new signings have already settled in.

But dont tell me its wrong to scrutinise a player after a period of time that is one of the biggest fees in history as he was bought for potential MORE than a player that has come for peanuts, that is ridiculous
 

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I did say it was foolish to judge him for the first 18months? So I am not disagreeing with you there....but the rest of your post I pretty much disagree with.

£80m+ for potential? Please, tell me another player that has gone for anything like that fee merely on potential? We are talking about a player with champions league experience and winning the league in the country he played in. YOu pay £30-50m tops for massive potential, get out of here, he is what the 4th or 5th biggest fee in premiership history? He cost £10m more than Sancho.

Of coruse there is a settling in period fans should have patience with, its remarkable and not the usual how quickly most of the new signings have already settled in.

But dont tell me its wrong to scrutinise a player after a period of time that is one of the biggest fees in history as he was bought for potential MORE than a player that has come for peanuts, that is ridiculous
People need to stop throwing figures out like gospel. I don’t even particularly disagree with both your arguments but say we paid £51mil, that £50mil tops argument is nonsensical.

If you look at his age, we’ve bought him based on what he’ll offer immediately & what he’ll become. Instead of getting upset because he cost more than your self imposed £50mil tops for potential fee just let the guy play. If we go on to win feck all for years as we have recently then £50mil would be too much anyway, he’ll be as worth it as our team success dictates.
 

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We need Bruno to come over and offer support more imo. Both Eriksen and Bruno tend to play from the left, which leaves Antony all alone over on the right. Could really use Bruno pulling one of the defenders away more often.

Also had a few great moments of setting Dalot up, but didn't quite work out between the two of them.

It's going to take time for sure.

I do worry about with Sancho, Bruno, Antony as 3 of our front 4 where the pace behind is going to come from. If it's not Rashford, pace should be a requirement for our next CF.
 

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People need to stop throwing figures out like gospel. I don’t even particularly disagree with both your arguments but say we paid £51mil, that £50mil tops argument is nonsensical.

If you look at his age, we’ve bought him based on what he’ll offer immediately & what he’ll become. Instead of getting upset because he cost more than your self imposed £50mil tops for potential fee just let the guy play. If we go on to win feck all for years as we have recently then £50mil would be too much anyway, he’ll be as worth it as our team success dictates.
I didnt say we spent £80m on him for potential, the person I was responding too did so I wasnt even making the comment we over spent on him
 

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I do not know what matches you were watching and what were you expecting of him, but I think he made really good impression and shows signs of great team player.

We watched Ole ball for far too long and lot of you expect forward players to done everything by themself because team goals were not existing. So players like Rashford would need to dribble past few players and shot. Right now we would be more mobile team where movement and passing is the most important factor to score a goal rather then individual brillance.

You all need to remember that he is young, new player in one of the biggest football clubs in the world, he also need to get respect from other players and the best way to do it is to make good passes, not lose a ball very often and run his ass off for the team,

When he gets that respect and players around would trust him more, then he will get more confidence and will be able to try more dribbles even if he sometimes lose a ball.

From my playing experience there is no worse kind of teamate that would rather dribble then find someone with a good pass. Especially if he is new and you do not know what he is capable of. If you know that someone is a team player and would rather pass then dribble then if he tries to dribble and fail you would never complain about that and be angry at him.

Give him few weeks to settle in a team and get some respect from other players and he will be flying.

Seriously cannot wait to see him with Sancho and Martial supported by Bruno, Eriksen and Casemiro. Was not that excited for years...
 

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I do not know what matches you were watching and what were you expecting of him, but I think he made really good impression and shows signs of great team player.

We watched Ole ball for far too long and lot of you expect forward players to done everything by themself because team goals were not existing. So players like Rashford would need to dribble past few players and shot. Right now we would be more mobile team where movement and passing is the most important factor to score a goal rather then individual brillance.

You all need to remember that he is young, new player in one of the biggest football clubs in the world, he also need to get respect from other players and the best way to do it is to make good passes, not lose a ball very often and run his ass off for the team,

When he gets that respect and players around would trust him more, then he will get more confidence and will be able to try more dribbles even if he sometimes lose a ball.

From my playing experience there is no worse kind of teamate that would rather dribble then find someone with a good pass. Especially if he is new and you do not know what he is capable of. If you know that someone is a team player and would rather pass then dribble then if he tries to dribble and fail you would never complain about that and be angry at him.

Give him few weeks to settle in a team and get some respect from other players and he will be flying.

Seriously cannot wait to see him with Sancho and Martial supported by Bruno, Eriksen and Casemiro. Was not that excited for years...
Yeah that's fair points. I won't just blame Ole ball though. Under Fergie years wingers were expected to get the crowd off their feet every time they got the ball
 

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He indeed could and should have had two assists vs Sheriff.

Some would have called him the signing of the summer if so.
 

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Yeah that's fair points. I won't just blame Ole ball though. Under Fergie years wingers were expected to get the crowd off their feet every time they got the ball
Yeah sure, but in Fergie times the team was very well working machine with solid defense so more players were involved in build up and we could hurt opponents from different angles and as i mentioned because of team success and very high confidence in our players it was much easier to show some skills. Over last few season we did not have defenders contributing in goals (except that 6 months spell for Shawberto) and our central midfielders in McFred was hiding in our own half, so we only had 3 forward players and Bruno to do something productive so it was often 4 players vs 10 of opponents and individual plays were the only way to achieve something.

It's not that Antony won't be doing that in the future, because we all have seen what he is capable in terms of dribbling, pace and skills. But right now the team is building the system, some paths of play and understanding of each other and I think that we will get where EtH wants us to be faster if we would stick to playing more often as a team rather than depend on individual plays. I know that fans are unpatient and want us to dominate world football right now but we need time to get to the point where we are able to compete with City and Liverpool for Premierleague trophy and to do it we need to be a team. That is why i fully support Antony and his decision making and that he would rather be part of a team and help us became better, more unpredictable team rather than became fantastic player in underachieving team.

So I think his style of play right now is dictated by EtH to focus on developing a right system and understanding for the whole team and also he wants to find his place in a team and then get more and more confidence to try to play with higher risk. I am sure at the end of the season we will need to spend few minutes to decide who is gonna be Player of the year because there would be so much to choose from and Antony will be right there with the best.

I also expect him to get me off my feet but can understand that it will take some time and can appreciate his good general play rather than saying he was poor and waste of money because he was not it it will be breath of fresh air to have both our wingers in Sancho and Antony to understand game that well and be able to spot movement and play perfect pass to teammate to accelerate our game.
 
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