donkeyfish
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We're certainly approaching those now with the recent downturn of form after looking goo not awful for a while earlier in the fall following a horrendous start.
It's dire.Seriously? Can you explain how it's not the case.
We're lifeless, listless, dire.
So shocking I don't even remember when we had Moses?!It's dire.
But ill be honest. It doesn't hurt as much. Moses was a shock to the system. Van Gaal was death by a thousand random passes and that random 70th minute RB substitution.
So shocking I don't even remember when we had Moses?!
Well, results wise I think it was far from awful. Sure football should have been better and as you said last year was average at best. This year everything is collapsing of course. If you take this season isolated then it is awful.I think Mourinho has been awful. Good league results last season but the football peaked under him in the first half of his first season and went downhill since then, barring a very few isolated matches here and there. It's unforgivable for the players to look this clueless under him, it's like he's not even doing his basic job of coaching them. Even last season when we were winning 4-0 I thought the football was unsophisticated and average at best.
Yes but that was terrible if everyone knew that he was getting fired in the summer. He won the FA Cup and we lost CL place on goals. But in this case we do not know if Jose is getting fired in the summer still and we are worse off now than when LVG was here.Nothing is as bad as Moyes or ever will be (please say it wont be that bad again!)
But yeah this is as bad as Van Gaal when everyone except him knew he was getting fired in the summer.
He 'promoted' Rashford cause we didn't have any strikers left. That included Wilson. And that's cause he decided it was enough to have 2 strikers in the season and before that played Fellaini as a striker too.LvG promoted Rashford. Martial had his best days under him. Fosu-Mensah got a run.
He gave Lingard the role he has today, I don't like that bit but he gave youth a chance and a clear route to the team.
Moyes had Januzaj.
This guy has Scott McTominay. The embodiment of Mourinho's player here. Big, slow, no creativity or inspiration. You don't really see a route for young, talented players to make it under Mourinho. There is no bigger picture here, there is no evident pattern of the play, nor is there coaching that improves those who are already here.
There is nothing that suggests things will be better under Mourinho,
Moyes was woeful and defeatist but he never saw this kind of investment. He also had this crossing philosophy, an awful one but at least the players looked to he a sense or an idea on how they were going play.
LvG's football was so boring, but the players he promoted and the feeling of knowing that he would go out of his way to promote youth, make his years better in the memory than I'm sure this current manager will be remembered.
I don’t think it was the fact that Moyes tenure immediately followed Fergie that led to him being that much of a laughing stock. It was more to do with the constant defeats and general feeling of negativity. We weren’t even anywhere near teams like Jose’s Chelsea - who had a 45 year old Samuel Eto’o up front who managed to bag a hat-trick. At least Jose had us challenging in the big games. We won 3-2 at the Etihad under Jose, against a much better Man City than the one Moyes lost 4-1 to. I just don’t see the comparison.About being a laughing stock - that ties in with the Champions of England suddenly looking like clowns due to the sheer drop in performance and competence. The difference now is people don't expect much from us anymore and can barely be bothered to even mock our incompetence like they took great delight in at that time. Our shiteness over the time in the doldrums has dulled the critics. It's akin to poking at a once lively predator who is already on his last legs and no longer offers the threat and majesty it once did. Not much fun in that, which is why we've mostly been left alone now, or even pitied by fans and media who used to hate us.
We’re worse off after 14 games than we were in 13/14, but let’s not forget that the level of teams in Moyes season was far below what we have now. Spurs weren’t the force they are now, Arsenal were...well, Arsenal. Chelsea weren’t much to shout about, it was only really Liverpool and City that looked like they had their shit together. For Jose to finish 2nd last season in this current league was enough to see him kept on and backed, in my opinion. With Moyes, he didn’t even get to the summer at the end of his first year, he was that shit.specially so with Jose under-performing now to a level that exceeds Moyes by all metrics.
Yes he decided to have fewer strikers, and that can lead to younger players getting a chance.He 'promoted' Rashford cause we didn't have any strikers left. That included Wilson. And that's cause he decided it was enough to have 2 strikers in the season and before that played Fellaini as a striker too.
He gave Lingard what role?
Moyes had Januzaj? So what?
Moyes had a philosophy? Come on, please.
Lvg's years wont and shouldn't be better in memory.
He as in Moyes.Who was an unknown? Thiago, Kroos?
The point that many seem to ignore about LVG is that wasn’t the finished product by any means, that was not his style, if you’d given him a Pogba and Fred to throw in with Carrick that team would have been transformed and more like it was supposed to be.
I do think at the time Jose would have had more pull, he’s a far more recognisable name, but the way we were we would have had lots of opportunities for young players to come in play and develop together.
If you believe he had few strikers so he could give youth a chance than good for you. I bet he was thinking I'll go into the season with 2 strikers cause I guess some young strikers will come out from somewhere.Yes he decided to have fewer strikers, and that can lead to younger players getting a chance.
You look at Mourinho here that didn't want to sell woeful Darmian because he needed him for two games in the beginning of the season. God forbid having to look to younger players. We now have a manager that bloats the squad with average players because he is so afraid of having to delve into the youth team.
He gave youth product Lingard his place in the squad, I am not a Lingard fan so I can't really say much about what that role is.
Moyes played Januzaj, I seriously doubt if you put Mourinho in as a manager in that situation, he would have given him a fair chance. Januzaj gave me at least, some of the best moments of that season.
Moyes had a philosophy of going down the flanks and crossing. Yes it was woeful but at least there is a sense or idea what the team is trying to achieve.
I see no attacking patterns under Mourinho.
MUFC games used to be must see TV for me and my friends.The worst thing is that I've stopped caring, totally numb.
Our board is not proactive, they are reactive. This will only change when Ed and/or the Glazers leave.Let's say de Gea is the only one to leave as a result of poor performances under Mourinho, and he leaves for £50m on an expiring contract. It'll either force us to shell out £100m for Oblak or significantly worsen in the position for £50m if we sign a Pickford or someone of that ilk. So in order to save £15m on sacking Mourinho, we'll lose £35m on de Gea alone, not to mention what it'll cost to replace Pogba, Martial and the likes.
How the financially savvy people at the top of United's management structure can't see this is beyond me. Even bringing in a new manager with a new project might persuade some of the above mentioned players to stay, even if performances don't turn around immediately. Plus a new manager might actually have a chance of taking us into the CL, which would be worth significantly more than £15m.
Yeah his league results last season were fairly good. My stance at the beginning of this season was that he didn't deserve to be sacked because of his results.Well, results wise I think it was far from awful. Sure football should have been better and as you said last year was average at best. This year everything is collapsing of course. If you take this season isolated then it is awful.
Yes I am saying that. It's all about creating an environment that can take advantage of the youth team. We refuse to sell Darmian so we have a fourth choice right back and a third choice left back.If you believe he had few strikers so he could give youth a chance than good for you. I bet he was thinking I'll go into the season with 2 strikers cause I guess some young strikers will come out from somewhere.
He gave youth a chance just for the sake of it, if you remember McNair for example.
Moyes played Januzaj? So what? Are you saying Mourinho didn't play young players nor does he give them a chance?
Januzaj had about what 4, 5 good games if that.
Most players improve in something they do daily for 3 years, but not our players. So while most players in other teams have improved, most of our players have regressed.They WERE way above average in terms of ability.
Steady on! Although I have to admit I've always wondered how LVG's third season would have panned out on the back of an FA Cup win?Bring back LVG. This is far worse, you just have to look at it and see how poor these guys are coached and what instructions they are trying to execute.
Our players was still able to pass a simple ball under LVG, or string together more than two passes without losing control or through divine intervention.In my opinion the shite lvg produced was the most boring football I’ve ever seen, this is very bad I’ll admit but it’s nowhere near that crap, we didn’t even try to score most of the time.
It was boring football I agree but at least we keep possession of the ball. This is just as boring but we do not even keep possession of the ball and we still do not try to score because we do not know how to try to score. The only thing is now the entertainment value for fans of other clubs. With LVG it was boring as hell for them too. At least now they can enjoy the football their teams play against us and we can enjoy the comedy part of this due to players like Lukaku.In my opinion the shite lvg produced was the most boring football I’ve ever seen, this is very bad I’ll admit but it’s nowhere near that crap, we didn’t even try to score most of the time.
We could pass the ball about because every game was spent in our own half, also don’t agree we had a plan to attack and score goals other than wait for a piece of genius to happen.Our players was still able to pass a simple ball under LVG, or string together more than two passes without losing control or through divine intervention.
And there was at least a resemblance of a plan on how to attack or score goals, even though we were not very succesful.
He didn't create a route for youth or anything like that.Yes I am saying that. It's all about creating an environment that can take advantage of the youth team. We refuse to sell Darmian so we have a fourth choice right back and a third choice left back.
LvG had a few mares, McNair and especially Blackett, but he created a route for the youth players.
I like the unknowns of that rather than this bloated, aging squad we have, with average players given chance after chance to put in the most predictable of performances.
This sums it up perfectly for me.Comparing between diseases is pointless. They are all fecking terrible
Then came the Fulham game. Yes the only thing we can tear now is everyone's hair.It's difficult to compare, but this is down there.
I have fond memories of us tearing Bayer Leverkusen apart in the CL. We scored 9 friggin goals against them in the group stage. With Moyes in charge!
Just can't picture us tearing anyone apart these days.
Me too. I have been decorating but forgot the game was on. that's how much my interest is waining. I would have to go far out of my way to watch suchThe worst thing is that I've stopped caring, totally numb.
I agree, we have lost our identity and therefore the connection with the fans. Amongst so called big clubs, we are currently irrelevant.Me too. I have been decorating but forgot the game was on. that's how much my interest is waining. I would have to go far out of my way to watch such
pathetic football and players. I dont think there is any team in the UK leagues that play as naff as us.
I read the only thing British about our club is the football pitch,.all the rest is foreign owned, and that to me is half the problem