Arshavin to Arsenal

AttackingFlair said:
Agree with peterstorey here, we could sign any above average player who's already adapted to the PL but that wouldn't necessarily improve us.

The other times when he weren't impressive, how do we know this isn't because he wanted a move? Look at the way Berbatov performed for Spurs when he wanted a move.

As for Arshavin being a top player, I mean it as in the abilities there and all he needs is the stage. He may flop but I would still think he has the abilities to be a top player. I mean it's not like it's crazy to see the talent in him... I'm sure most can. I sure hope you don't think Robbie Keane is more talented than him either. I can slightly understand you saying you'd rather have him based on him being proven in the league but I'd rather have someone in the team who isn't proven in the league but has the ability to improve the team rather than someone who's proven to be not good enough.
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What about all the years before he wanted a move, when no-one had heard of him?

I don't think it's all that clear that Arshavin's abilities make him a top player, the obvious sticking point here.

Another one being I don't think the gap in quality between Robbie Keane or Arshavin is that big either.

We can agree to disagree, but I think people are getting caught up in the hype surrounding him a little too quickly.
 
Brwned said:
What about all the years before he wanted a move, when no-one had heard of him?

I don't think it's all that clear that Arshavin's abilities make him a top player, the obvious sticking point here.

Another one being I don't think the gap in quality between Robbie Keane or Arshavin is that big either.

We can agree to disagree, but I think people are getting caught up in the hype surrounding him a little too quickly.
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I can understand because you're not willing to rate him unless he's successful in a top league which is fair enough. Just on the stage when he has done it, he's shown he can do a lot more with a football than the likes of Robbie Keane. He's also shown he has a proper football brain with his creativity and passing etc.

I'll just leave it now though.
 
AttackingFlair said:
He's good enough for you but not for a top team as proven.
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Apart from CL games, all players at all clubs play in the same fixtures/same level of games. 107 goals for Keane at Spurs speaks for itself. In fact, you might argue that's it's easier to shine at a top 4 team surrounded by generally better players.

Liverpool didn't play him in a system that suits his strengths, and nor it appears did Rafa actually want him in the first place, so I don't think his time at Liverpool proves anything much about Keane as a striker.

Arshavin hasn't kicked a ball in the Prem yet, but already he's a better signing than that the 'reliably not good enough' Keane? Try getting a sense of proportion.
 
AttackingFlair said:
I can understand because you're not willing to rate him unless he's successful in a top league which is fair enough. Just on the stage when he has done it, he's shown he can do a lot more with a football than the likes of Robbie Keane. He's also shown he has a proper football brain with his creativity and passing etc.

I'll just leave it now though.
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It's not that.

Not sure what it is, but I was more impressed with Modric before he came to this league than I have been with Arshavin.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Arshavin hasn't kicked a ball in the Prem yet, but already he's a better signing than that the 'reliably not good enough' Keane? Try getting a sense of proportion.
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You were blowing yourself over the signing of Modric, saying he showed his class at the Euros, and there was no way he'd fail.

How is this any different?
 
He's been overrated to slightly alarming proportions since the Euros, and his inflated price tag wasn't exactly justified by his performances in the league this season. Not convinced he was all we needed this time around.

However, he could just prove me wrong and help us get those goals we're missing atm.Interesting to see how AW plays him now though.
 
sincher said:
You were blowing yourself over the signing of Modric, saying he showed his class at the Euros, and there was no way he'd fail.

How is this any different?
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Because I wasn't comparing him with a proven quality Prem player (like Keane for example) and saying that Modric will be better before he'd even kicked a ball in the Prem.

And nor has Modric 'failed' - far from it.
 
You forget how funny Glaston can be until you look back over the Berbatov threads, or the Bentley threads.

'I'd also add that there are some very good players on the list of who Ramos wants .... at least two of them (if we get them) will make Spurs fans say "Robbie who?" and maybe even "Bye bye Berby - have fun".'

Pavlyuchenko and Corluka were their two signings after that.

Or:

GlastonSpur said:
It's interesting that you now start to qualify your statement with reference to injuries, even aside from the fact that Woodgate started in 33 games last season.

* Both King and Woodate are at least as good players as Gallas, Toure, Carragher, Agger and other one or two other T4 CBs.

* Hutton is as least as good as Brown at RB and better than Liverpool's RB.

* Bale is as least as good as Liverpool's LB

* Modric is better than Diaby or Denilson, or whoever else will partner Fabregas in CM from your current squad.

* Gomes is better than Almunia. His record is the best in the entire history of the dutch top division.

* Lennon is better than Pennant or whoever else Liverpool play in RM unless Gerrard is forced out there to try and fill the void.

* Dos Santos will prove better than Rosicky

And those are by no means all the examples. All the more so, when Arshavin signs (as he will) and one or two other surprises are unveiled.

You are talking out of your pompous arse.
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Yeah, Gomes did really well this season.

GlastonSpur said:
Well, we don't yet know what the price will be, assuming the transfer occurs - it might be 12m + Robinson for example.

But even at 17m, MUFC spent that (or more) on each of Nani, Anderson and Hargreaves last summer.

Are all 3 of them better deals for the money than Bentley? Personally I don't think so.
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David Bentley, all you need to say.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Because I wasn't comparing him with a proven quality Prem player (like Keane for example) and saying that Modric will be better before he'd even kicked a ball in the Prem.
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No, you however said dos Santos would be better than Rosicky, and that was before dos Santos had even kicked a ball in the Prem.
That if anything is worse than what Storey said, considering how crap dos Santos was for Barca.

You're generally probably the last person on here who should be throwing e-rocks when it comes to going over-hyping new (and current for that sake) players.
 
Top said:
No, you however said dos Santos would be better than Rosicky, and that was before dos Santos had even kicked a ball in the Prem.
That if anything is worse than what Storey said, considering how crap dos Santos was for Barca.

You're generally probably the last person on here who should be throwing e-rocks when it comes to going over-hyping new (and current for that sake) players.
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Top, you're like Jeremy Kyle for the internet generation-a good cop and bad cop rolled into one.
 
Will be interesting where actually. He'll probably be playing on the wing with the license to drift infield. A bit like what Hleb used to do for us.
 
Ceks said:
I wonder how much Alisher Usmanov had to do with pushing this transfer deal through. Wenger never seemed to fussed whether we got him or not. I don't forsee Ashavin holding down a 1st team spot anytime soon.
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The Telegraph reported that Zenit was waiting for Usmanov to put up some money to help get past the "loyalty bonus" sticking point, but that he never did. He only went so far as to participate -- in some undefined way -- in the negotiations. (Which went very smoothly indeed. Thanks, Alisher, well done.)

You know that Alisher is the head of a subsidiary of Gazprom, the company that owns Zenit?

Scholesy said:
Where will Arshavin start?
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On one of the wings, I think probably right with Nasri on the left. Until Fabregas returns, the other possibility is that we play Nasri in the center with Arshavin on the left wing and Eboue on the right. Arshavin isn't match fit right now, since it's offseason in Russia. But he's been training with Zenit in their preseason. No idea how long it will take him to get up to speed. (He won't play against Tottnumb, no matter what, I think, because he needs to get his work permit first.) Basically, think of him as a Hleb that shoots. Wherever Hleb would have played for us, Arshavin will be playing there now.

btw, all you mancs, I agree with you. Very dubious seeming, all that flurry at or after the closing of the window.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Because I wasn't comparing him with a proven quality Prem player (like Keane for example) and saying that Modric will be better before he'd even kicked a ball in the Prem.

And nor has Modric 'failed' - far from it.
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You would have done, though - you were wanking over Modric at the Euros.

And you did with saying Dos Santos would prove to be better than Rosicky, and that you would gladly revisit the topic in 6 months' time.

Your list of embarrassing posts is nearly endless. This is one of my favourites:

https://www.redcafe.net/4754017-post29.html
 
Brwned said:
It's not that.

Not sure what it is, but I was more impressed with Modric before he came to this league than I have been with Arshavin.
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Modric impressed me far more playing for country than Arshavin and I think it's obvious why you were more impressed because Modric is far younger and has been continually putting in top notch performances for Croatia whereas Arshavin has only recently come into any world contact and his play for Russia before say 07'ish was nothing to be spoke about.

I still think Modric will prove to be the far better player than Arshavin come next season. Modric needs to just put on some weight and dig in a bit more and he'll come out good. Arshavin needs to lose a few years and put in performances like Euro 08 NOT like he's been playing all season so far
 
Great signing for us, last few weeks our attacking play has been borderline embarrassing and we were very much in need of a player who could open teams up and be more effective than our current lot. When we get Fabregas, Rosicky and Theo back as well we have quite a few good options in attack.

Seen his interview for us and loved his comments about Pavlyuchenko. When asked if he had spoken to him he said "No, he is not a friend of mine" :lol: Had a pretty good go at his interview in English as well, his English wasn't that bad and at this rate should be quite fluent soon.
 
sincher said:
You would have done, though - you were wanking over Modric at the Euros.

And you did with saying Dos Santos would prove to be better than Rosicky, and that you would gladly revisit the topic in 6 months' time.

Your list of embarrassing posts is nearly endless. This is one of my favourites:

https://www.redcafe.net/4754017-post29.html
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:lol::lol::lol:

I admire Glaston for his confidence in Spurs after so many years of failure and disappointment. It's breathtaking.
 
sincher said:
You would have done, though - you were wanking over Modric at the Euros.

And you did with saying Dos Santos would prove to be better than Rosicky, and that you would gladly revisit the topic in 6 months' time.

Your list of embarrassing posts is nearly endless. This is one of my favourites:

https://www.redcafe.net/4754017-post29.html
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Quality post. Best this year.
 
kouroux said:
My priority is United and unlike you gooners I'm not a member of another rival forum,it's kinda pathetic
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What is more pathetic than not supporting your local team in favour of some glam foreign outfit. Surely not?
 
sincher said:
You would have done, though - you were wanking over Modric at the Euros.

And you did with saying Dos Santos would prove to be better than Rosicky, and that you would gladly revisit the topic in 6 months' time.

Your list of embarrassing posts is nearly endless. This is one of my favourites:

https://www.redcafe.net/4754017-post29.html
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Hehe

I remember that. That's from the original "Modric is brilliant" thread isn't it? The one where we tried to warn him that Modric would probably turn out to be a bit shit, but he wouldn't have it, and proclaimed him as the best footballer he'd ever seen, or something.

Modric
 
AttackingFlair said:
I thought he was sold back for £15m? Either way in the current market, I don't think it's ridiculous at all. Bent went for £16m, Hargreaves went for £17m, Keane to Liverpool in the first place was £18m, Fellaini to Everton was £15m etc.. Now I'd regard Arshavin as a better player than all of them by a distance and his fee is less than all of theirs so imo that's more than a good deal and thus "steal" wouldn't be too bad a phrase to use. Now I understand that there's every chance he may not adapt to the premiership or may not perform for some reason or another but straight up if United/Chelsea/Barcelona/Madrid/Milan or any other team bought Arshavin for £12m then I have no doubt it would be seen as a "steal" either. Obviously we can't see into the future but from just judging the talent and fee yeah it is a steal imo.

EDIT: Add to the fact it's not like this guy is an "unknown" he was hyped to death at the Euros and it's not like he hasn't been heard of. To get £12m for a player with such a high status after the Euros is fecking great business imo.
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Totally agree. I'm not discounting the fact that he could be an utter flop, or the fact that Wenger probably should have prioritised strengthening his team elsewhere, but £12 million for a player as talented as Arshavin is well worth the gamble. He's absurdly gifted and he's played magnificently against some good teams on big stages. You don't need to have seen him hundreds of times to see that there's very few players out there with that level of ability. Fergie didn't wait for Ronaldo to have clocked up hundreds of games in a bigger league before taking the plunge did he?
 
He'll be a good signing for Arsenal. I don't think he'll be a flop, as he suits their style of play. Will probably turn out to be a real steal.
 
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