They won’t understand your sense lad. They’ll tell you how many games he played. I’m sure De Bruyne could have got the same amount of minutes if he stayed at Chelsea too.. but from his own words he didn’t understand why he was dropped and decided to leave. Sounded stupid at the time but who’s stupid now.
Bouhafsi: Martial wants to leave United
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My thoughts as well. Good player but has the body language that just screams "I don"t really give a feck".
Another one I don't care if he leaves or not is Rashford. Runs a lot and often times stupidly without purpose. Both of them are so overrated and if anyone offered decent money for then both, I would gladly take and spend the money on consistent players who are not hit and miss.
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But you rooted for Real Madrid meaning you backed a team and wanted to see Ronaldo extra play well. If you kept the same energy you wouldn’t have bothered watching the match at all, neither are Manchester United and ‘real’ United Fans hate both Liverpool and Madrid. Why just Liverpool, Madrid constantly try and take our players at their peak! You back that?
They call her that cause she put Martial as her last name on Instagram. They were not married. She was his girlfriend. And even when stories were circulating, Martial was in regular contact with his daughter. Anyone that followed him on social media would know.
Nonsense. There is no one who will convince me Martial's playing time at United was small last season. Its not like he kept being subbed by half time when started games or was only giving injury time every single time he came on as a sub. Martial played more for us last season than the likes of Asencio at Real did at their club. Yet he is in the same bracket of player.
Furthermore anyone who thinks we should should have passed up the chance to sign the world class Alexis just to molly coddle Martial is just a fanboish moron. There is a gaping hole on the right of our attack currently and frankly there is no good reason why a right footer like Martial as young as he is, cant also be effective there and simply make the role his own. So the "lack of playing time' is a lousy excuse and just like with Rashford, its their fault that it exists in the first place.
Martial HASN'T said a thing still. All we ever hear from is his agent. Giving me every reason to be suspicious of the motives
Which is the thing. Lack of playing time indicates he was hardly in the time. Ala Blind, Romero or Darmian. Which is clear lies
Well his agent speaking about him wanting to leave is basically the same thing.
He doesn't want a new deal, he wants to leave.
I'd let him go, no problem. He is a striker, but not yet a top one, so doesn't deserve to be a starter. Lukaku is the number 9, no question. I know he's played mostly on the wing, but I don't see him as an effective winger at all. He could maybe be a top striker one day, but we don't have the luxury of patience at the moment unfortunately, we need goals right now.
He, along with many others, represent a period of complete under achievement at this club. He seems to be one of the guys that thinks once they have signed for Manchester United they have made it. I think there's a mentality that they think "I've made it, I'm at a successful club". Well, no, it was a successful club, but you now have to step up to maintain that. And Martial along with MANY others, have not stepped up. Signing for Manchester United is not the end of your journey, it's just the start. I see zero hunger to win in the guy.
He, along with many others, represent a period of complete under achievement at this club. He seems to be one of the guys that thinks once they have signed for Manchester United they have made it. I think there's a mentality that they think "I've made it, I'm at a successful club". Well, no, it was a successful club, but you now have to step up to maintain that. And Martial along with MANY others, have not stepped up. Signing for Manchester United is not the end of your journey, it's just the start. I see zero hunger to win in the guy.
The José rot continues.
Would rather keep the sulky Frenchman with bags of potential than the grumpy Portugese and his army of 30 year olds.
Would rather keep the sulky Frenchman with bags of potential than the grumpy Portugese and his army of 30 year olds.
I genuinely have no idea how you got to this point off my original comment that "I hope this isn't KDB mk2"
Such a random thing for this OTT gatekeeping
Honestly, do you think Chelsea fans are happy that KDB went on to become a world class player for a rival? Or do you think that those who are not ecstatic with that development are bad fans?
I was a little disappointed in Lukaku going, less so for De Bruyne and didn't give a single shit about Salah.
There's people in this thread who seen genuinely angry, as if it was De Gea looking to leave.
Simon Stone says we have no intention of selling. Good enough for me.
It's hard not to feel sorry for the rich, popular and right footed attacking footballer being asked to play games on the right side of attack. Just like I feel for our even richer and more popular central midfielder who sometimes has been asked to play in a central midfield two.
Agree with the sentiments expressed by others in this thread in that we do seem to have a sulky bunch at times.
Agree with the sentiments expressed by others in this thread in that we do seem to have a sulky bunch at times.
They are unhappy that they never kept him and watched him do that for them. I find it hard to believe they are upset he managed to forfill his potential. What difference does that make to them? Which is my point. Same for Mo Salah.
Why are people bringing up lingard and herrera's response to competitionas a stick to beat martial with? Lingard and herrera have face FAIR competition, namely if x is underperfoming there is a fair chance that I will be put into the team after a while. Conversely, if I am performing then my spot is safe. (You can bring up herrera losing his spot this season after winning POTY but that was due to tactical reasons)
Martial on the other hand hasn't had fair competition with sanchez. When he had fair competition with Rashford, he pulled his socks up, didn't complain and won he pis spot back. Against sanchez, there seems to be nothing martial can do to regain his spot and there is no assurance that sanchez can ever be dropped. Consequently, he is playing against a stacked deck. That is not FAIR competition.
Martial on the other hand hasn't had fair competition with sanchez. When he had fair competition with Rashford, he pulled his socks up, didn't complain and won he pis spot back. Against sanchez, there seems to be nothing martial can do to regain his spot and there is no assurance that sanchez can ever be dropped. Consequently, he is playing against a stacked deck. That is not FAIR competition.
For comparison Rashford is younger, is an ex academy player, broke through in pretty much the same way as Martial (even looked more impressive at the beginning because He couldn't stop scoring after breaking into the scene), also capable of playing on the left or as a striker. Have you ever heard Rashford bitching? nope. Even after We bought Sanchez and He's pretty much the third choice He didn't complain.
I've seen several Rashford interviews and He always talked about positive stuffs - He has to improve, the team have to improve, etc. Maybe He actually realizes He still plays bad from time to time. Martial, I agree He's really good with dribbling in tight spaces but if He can't spot his flaws or doesn't realize He's not consistent enough to be starting every games and feels like He's entitled to be playing all games then He can leave.
"But the club bought Sanchez" is not a valid excuse if you're a professional football player. It's like your company hires someone with a better CV than you and you start bitching instead of just getting on with it and do your job or show your worth if you really think you're as good if not better than the guy.
It's not like Martial started 5 games last season either. I would blame Jose partly because in several games, Martial could have been a better option in LW than playing off-form Sanchez there but let's not put a blinder here... the thing is Martial is also at fault. I haven't seen a lot of improvement from him either, He's still as inconsistent as ever.
Come on now, a player goes, We move on and find better or equal replacement as We've done time and time again (aside from Ronaldo). Don't know what's the fuss all about, this guy is hardly Ronaldo or Beckham.
I've seen several Rashford interviews and He always talked about positive stuffs - He has to improve, the team have to improve, etc. Maybe He actually realizes He still plays bad from time to time. Martial, I agree He's really good with dribbling in tight spaces but if He can't spot his flaws or doesn't realize He's not consistent enough to be starting every games and feels like He's entitled to be playing all games then He can leave.
"But the club bought Sanchez" is not a valid excuse if you're a professional football player. It's like your company hires someone with a better CV than you and you start bitching instead of just getting on with it and do your job or show your worth if you really think you're as good if not better than the guy.
It's not like Martial started 5 games last season either. I would blame Jose partly because in several games, Martial could have been a better option in LW than playing off-form Sanchez there but let's not put a blinder here... the thing is Martial is also at fault. I haven't seen a lot of improvement from him either, He's still as inconsistent as ever.
Come on now, a player goes, We move on and find better or equal replacement as We've done time and time again (aside from Ronaldo). Don't know what's the fuss all about, this guy is hardly Ronaldo or Beckham.
I hear that but at the end of the day they are competing professionals. If a guy who looks worse than you is starting ahead of you, why would your age matter? Sanchez had few stand out performances and contributed little in 5 whole months. United isn't a charity. Martial probably listened to Jose's comments about why he doesn't stick with MArtial and Rashford (Brighton) so he would get the message. I'd be the same, when my manager drops me while I am player of the month, I then watch a next dude play poorly with every opportunity given to him and keep me out. I then get a start, don't take it and the manager seems like "I told you so". Martial obviously knows he won't get a fair crack and is up against it as the gaffer prefers someone else. its not just down to him. P.S. he is at an age where he could be going to World Cups and he isn't as he hasn't been played enough. Probably feels the writing is on the wall
So we've already started with the character assassination. Some of of lots are downright pathetic. And yes you deserve to be called on that if you're gonna make bs up to justify wanting a player to leave.
Some good points you have there.
The thing is Martial came when we were seriously under par and he became the star in the team. Young, talented kid leading Manchester United's frontline. That was a big deal but people and maybe Martial himself, forgot it was a struggling United team.
I suspect things became a bit tricky for him once he put on that 'leader of the line' toga in his second season and bigger stars were brought in who came with big egos - especially Zlatan who was even given his shirt number. Forced to give up his number, forced to yield leadership, forced to rotate from the bench, criticized by a straight shooting manager, it seemed it was inevitable that Martial would lose his joy at United. He's a talented kid no doubt and we can't entirely blame him for everything but the it just so happens in football that there are times when some players just don't fit in well with a team or manager.
Some in here seem really clueless about management when talking about Martial. Apparently, you have to play a player just because he played well because he's in form (is this FIFA or something?).
If you go by who is in form you'll be swapping out several players every few games, which means you'll never put a run together.
Team selection is based on the profile of the player that fulfils a tactical vision. This is why top managers insist on playing a core set of players every game. Martial effectively plays as a left sided striker for us, in most games he has played he has lowered defensive responsibility while the opposite winger has a greater amount of defensive responsibility and is always tracking back (Mata and Lingard).
Its very difficult to play with a central striker and an off centre left sided striker. It puts a huge demand on the left back and right winger. So the manager sees fit to pick and choose when to start Martial. Things would go much smoother if Martial had some playmaking about him, but that is lacking in his game. If he could orchestrate the attack better he would start every game for us.
If you go by who is in form you'll be swapping out several players every few games, which means you'll never put a run together.
Team selection is based on the profile of the player that fulfils a tactical vision. This is why top managers insist on playing a core set of players every game. Martial effectively plays as a left sided striker for us, in most games he has played he has lowered defensive responsibility while the opposite winger has a greater amount of defensive responsibility and is always tracking back (Mata and Lingard).
Its very difficult to play with a central striker and an off centre left sided striker. It puts a huge demand on the left back and right winger. So the manager sees fit to pick and choose when to start Martial. Things would go much smoother if Martial had some playmaking about him, but that is lacking in his game. If he could orchestrate the attack better he would start every game for us.
From Martial to Simeone... frying pan to fire.
To be honest, it’s what he needs but it would still be down to him to accept the coaches instructions and apply himself correctly. The only difference would be a change in his attitude and perhaps that could only be achieved by a change of club and management.
The idea that Martial would suddenly be unleashed in a different side with different tactics is so naive. He’d still have to make fundamental changes to his game.
The fuss is because he could have been a Ronaldo or Beckham, and if you disagree, you haven't seen him play at his best. His ability to get past players and drive forward was Ronaldo-esque. Jose is literally the reason he's gone, the reason why he hasn't performed and the reason why he's not happy here. Thing is, Martials young, has only just begun his career and can develop into one of the best. If we get Bale as a replacement, he'll give us 3 seasons probably then decline. Sanchez who replaced him is the same situation. He was entitled to play all games before we got Sanchez anyway, he was on form. This is why I didn't want Jose in, he's ruining all our young players (Martial, Shaw, Pereira's probably going to leave, even Rashford, TFM hasn't seen much game time under him).
Yeah, I agree - I don't completely blame him either. If he came during a more successful period and was surrounded by a proper team of winners, then maybe things would have worked out a little better for him. It's just not a good fit at this time. It was a signing I didn't understand back when LvG brought him in.
Mourinho is quite hands off in his management. Simeone would be like a drill sergeant for him. Maybe that's what he needs.
Not surprised at all,I knew that this would happen the moment we signed Sanchez.Martial can’t play anywhere else except on the left and obviously Sanchez and probably even Rashford are ahead of him in the pecking order.I would sell him this summer...Obviously he’s very talented but he’s not a player who can come on every now and then and make a impact.He needs to play consistently and he obviously won’t be able to do that next season...
This is also a good opportunity for us to sort out the imbalance in our attack.I think we should sell Martial and sign a top class RW.Sanchez and Rashford can compete for a place on the left,we need a new signing to play on the right...
This is also a good opportunity for us to sort out the imbalance in our attack.I think we should sell Martial and sign a top class RW.Sanchez and Rashford can compete for a place on the left,we need a new signing to play on the right...
Just like how Depay could have been the next Ronaldo, Janujaz the next Giggs and Jones the next Duncan Edwards.
I don't get how Martial's situation is equal to what you have described, Martial not being allowed to do his job is the problem. Mourinho effectively replaced Martial by buying Sanchez.
At least we won’t have to pay the £10m Ballon d’Or bonus now.
What sucks about this is if he really wants to leave, he would be a much more potent player under a manager who actually knows how to coach him to his strengths and correct his deficiencies, or play him in a system that will utilise his strengths. He’d be devastating under Klopp or Pep. I would not want him to go.
If He was never on the field after We bought Sanchez then I understand... but that seems to not to be the case, no?
But as I said, both him and Jose are at fault. Just don't get people who blame only Jose for this, the fact that Sanchez was available and Arsenal were willing to trade him with Mkhi (who was struggling) was not his fault.
I find the Martial comparison with Sanchez absolutely ridiculous. Just because Sanchez has been way below his best lately? They are not from the same planet.
Martial has potential, no doubt but potential is what it is, nothing more. Let Martial prove himself first before we start that conversation. If Sanchez was available and United failed to get him in January, I bet most people here would have been furious. Easy to criticize the move now with the benefit of hindsight but some months of experiencing dip in form won't suddenly wipe away Sanchez's quality. He has done it in Italy, Spain and England. He will do it gain at United.
I can't wait till next season to see the real Alexis Sanchez. If I was Martial, I will go to Sanchez every other day to get tips from him. When Zlatan came, I would have gone to him and ask, 'Do you want my shirt number? Please take it. It is a great honour to play beside you.' I would go to Jose every day to ask him what he prefers me to do on the pitch. And I will shut my agent up.
LOL. It's FIFA where you play players regardless of form.
Okay even if I agree with this, the guy with the better CV was equally or even more shite for us, why was he persisted with?
No, he did not. They both played together many times and I noticed a number of times when they were interchanging positions.
Sanchez was better and worked harder. Martial is a lazy fecker.
Maybe because Martial has been in the club longer than Sanchez and failed to impress Jose that much? so Jose decided to give Sanchez time and chances. He doesn't seem to be a manager who cares about age.
This was always going to happen with Mourinho in charge. Rashford will be next. He’s shown time and again he doesn’t have time for youngsters.
If he goes, we better be bringing in a top class replacement. With the FFP issues at PSG, Mbappe please!
If he goes, we better be bringing in a top class replacement. With the FFP issues at PSG, Mbappe please!
People seem to have forgotten his injury issues after Sanchez signed and his games up top when Lukaku. Didn’t really perform in the latter stages of the season. Obviously this will all be Jose’ fault!
But saying that club isn’t interested in selling him. So he can knuckle down or sulk and get lots of sympathy at having to turn up and earn tens of thousands a week at the hands of cruel Jose!
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