Hmm, not quite. I do believe that there should be certain standards of universal healthcare and support for the poorer people but I'm very opposed to free handouts to those who make zero effort in life, which is a big problem here in Ireland. The middle are struggling to buy property and get by here at the moment whilst people abuse our very generous social welfare system. So I'm not anti social-welfare I just think there should be a reward for those who work over those who do not.
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Perhaps not, the brain does slow as we age too and works in a more economical way when processing information. People become more closed to new ideas and information and have a greater need for stability and structure.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/mr-personality/201410/why-are-older-people-more-conservative
I tend to think that many older people seek to hold onto the standards that were apparent when they were younger as the world progresses, rather than rejecting what they thought when they were younger.
I have that too I've read about 1 book in the past 5 years but have listened to countless audiobooks. I kind of dread the idea of reading these days.
One thing I liked about the US and Israel is the system where they could buy a plot of land for say $100 in a new town, and then were responsible for building the home themselves. We have load of land here (both in GB and Ireland) but it seems mostly ringfenced or owned by the old rich.
Definitely to the bold. But I don't begrudge unemployed people ipads or tv's etc, because they need a reason to live. Most of poverty is much more complex than 'lazy people.' I'm sure most people would like to be richer than poorer, and it's definitely an important function to make work worth it. I don't know much about Ireland, but in the UK they could do so much with tax relief and help to startup businesses, and push money into social welfare to bring people out of the malaise of not being able to go out of the house.
I kinda thing it's what the wealthy classes want the middle class to think, that it's the poor screwing them over. Meanwhile they are probably working for a company that posts billions in profits whilst barely getting by.
Is it actually a huge issue or a hugely reported issue? I don't know ireland so that's a genuine question but when the english make such claims about our own welfare system it's usually overblown nonsense.
No one wants free loaders the difference is tolerance levels if 0.5% abuse the system is that acceptable or do you reduce the welfare state for all so it doesn't happen at all? 5%?
Before it all kicked off this week, I was of the opinion that this would all conclude with a deal being put to Parliament in the finals days before the deadline.
Just to see if MPs blink.
But that relies on MPs who are still holding out hope for their preferred outcome, having that hope stripped away from them. Something that should've happened long ago.
I would say it's a big issue that's largely drowned out by the media and government at the moment, yes. We had a presidential candidate last year who was polling at 2%, and then started dissing Travelers and people on the dole long-term whilst saying middle class people are getting fleeced and he ended up getting 19% of the vote. And yes, I realize the similarities with the US there!
Problem is in Ireland that our two main parties are essentially both center-right and end up cancelling each other out. One's in charge, economy goes bust, people put the other one in charge, rinse-repeat. We never get a proper left or right party in power to shake things up and hence we always have a government who want to do whatever they think will buy them votes instead of trying to actually implement real change. Our public transport, health system, and infrastructure is relatively poor by European standards and considering our wealth, and we also have €200bn of national debt, but unfortunately very little actually gets done about any of it because the governments pump any spare money we have during the boom times into social welfare and silly tax breaks here and there.
Is there any chance Boris gets unseated in an election? His majority is only around 5,000.
I agree. Labour needs to be more palatable to the swing voter. Right now there are a lot of faces who's stock is not very high. Tom Watson for a start, total snake. Dianne Abbot - been made to look foolish quite a few times. There's a lot of people nobody know in the shadow cabinet too. Could probably do with a few more mainstream names.
I'd like to see David Lammy in a role too.
To what end? Even if the result goes the other way what is the justification? You cant argue the result of the first has to be put aside to accommodate the second because people now know better, because leavers will then argue its 'project fear' that's convinced people to remain and that was all bull shit too; and so we go on around and around.
If, as the current majority of MP's in the Parliament think they know best, because they are MP's, because they see more than the man/woman in the street, because they are privy to information the rest of us don't have, etc. then they should revoke A50 saying we made a mistake in triggering this, we knew from the start the game was up and we should stay in the EU because we won't get a better deal than the one we have now. They should apologise for the ridicule they have held the Country up to in the rest of Europe and the World, by their bumbling and indecision and they are now willing to make amends and vote for what they believe in and make atonement if necessary losing their seats (as some have done already) and vote to revoke A50 and to stop Brexit... now that would be putting Country before party and they can then sleep at nights (even if they subsequently lose their jobs!).
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Would be nice but Uxbridge has gone Tory since 1970 and was a leave voting area.
But how many are actually abusing the system? And how much money does that amount to?
I love David Lammy but he's a right maverick. Maybe international development or housing secretary. You feel he really cares but I wouldn't trust him with one of the big offices. I don't like Abbott or Watson much. Thornberry also not on my list of lovers. I can actually live with McDonnell (though perhaps not as chancellor) and Starmer is okay.
Not a lot in the grand scheme of things but I'm sure you knew that otherwise you wouldn't have asked. It's not really about how many abuse it though, is it? It's the fact that so many can. People who work are struggling to afford to buy their own places to live and paying extortionate rent so obviously they're going to be miffed about it, everyone needs to blame someone!
Anyone know what time Boris is on today?
Would be amazing. Uxbridge is full of chavs though.
1974?
The Party Conference season is almost here, what will be the main topics not discussed in open sessions?
Conservatives = deselection, who is next in the Stalinist purges?
Labour = Who is running this f***ing party?
Liberal Democrats = Who let in all these Tory/Labour 'carpet-baggers' and which seats will they pinch from true Lib-dems?
Not a mention of Brexit...possibly!
Conservatives = deselection, who is next in the Stalinist purges?
Labour = Who is running this f***ing party?
Liberal Democrats = Who let in all these Tory/Labour 'carpet-baggers' and which seats will they pinch from true Lib-dems?
Not a mention of Brexit...possibly!
Set all the dogs on them!
It's like that Meat Loaf song.
'I'll do anything for No Brexit.......but I won't do that"
Starting to be convinced that Swinson is an idiot, and they are going to miss Vince Cable.
Not if he’s going of moggs watch. It’ll be more like 1922Pathetic.
there is always a chance - but if you add up libs and lab and greens it still does not close the gap plus it was quite a leave constituency
so unless farrage or somebody like that goes head to head with him i think he probably gets in
Give it Starmer till the end of the year
They're good dogs Daily Mail!Set all the dogs on them!
I find her very unlikeable
'Corbyn savages guide dog'
what would the timetable look like
They vote on 19th he has to ask for an extension withing was it 2 days?
so 22nd they can then take action to force him to and he resigns
Presumably then its for the conservatives to select a new leader who has to show they can command a majority in the commons to become PM to enable them to ask for the extension?
- it seems unlikley they would win that vote but isnt it then they have 14 days to try again before anybody else can show they can command a majority? - which would take us past the 14th?
Or is there some mechanism that stops that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_minister
Yeah the Lib Dems have a real talent as of late for picking slimy characters. Charles Kennedy was their last leader were you didn't feel like he would stab you in the back to get ahead(Although maybe I just fell for his ever so nice sounding accent).
She isn't, but Ed Davey isn't much better. Didn't really have any charismatic candidates to pick from, Layla Moran who I preferred dropped out early. Once it went to the final 2 the members decided to go with the younger, more progressive Swinson. It is what it is.
No it means we get another 3 months extension. It also means that either BJ has gone back on what he pledged or has stepped down as PM.
Progressive? I assume you mean relatively?
Vince Cable surely?
The Royal Mail debacle ruined him. Prior to that, I might've agreed.
Well yeah, hence the word "more" in front of the word "progressive".
At least that's the impression she gives the members, feck knows really.
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