This is part of why it's incredibly worrying. So many people want to take back our independence and accountability, supposedly; problem is they don't actually know what from.Someone at work - I said I still haven't heard a reasonable reason to leave, and he said he just doesn't like the 'all the daft laws they make us abide by'. I asked which those were and he had no answer, but he did say the other day how mad he was about a fisherman that had to repackage all his fish because of an EU regulation.
Fantastic reason.
Not sure who they mean to be fair, I don't follow. They don't usually mean liberals by saying liberals, just 'conservative liberals' what they call them: liberal in economic matters and gun control, drug control, but conservative in.. I don't know what, probably just like using that word.Right wing liberals here? They really are clueless then. Our parties on the right are about as liberal as Franco.
I agree with every one of your words. Interesting seeing Farage admitting the Leave campaign were wrong to promise the £350m message that was splashed all over the battlebus as it can not be implemented. Bit late now Nigel!Dead right Marching they are absolutely fecking clueless. It shows in every one of their faces. None of them were that good as MP's anyway. Now we are going to have bunch of second-raters running the show.
Yesterday every single indicator of economic prosperity was the best I ever remember it being - interest rates, inflation, unemployment, growth. Now it will all go to rat shit and they reckon this bunch of wasters can steer us through all that. Looking at their faces, I think it is suddenly dawning on them what a Biblical task lies ahead.
Say what you will about Cameron he got this country into the best shape it had been for years. and that was starting from a very low base in 2008/9.
Not perfect but better than I can remember in 40 years of working.
Your votes are equal though.My neighbour(75) voted leave, just asked me what I think will happen to the economy now. Since I'm an economist.
Corbyn as far as I'm aware has been anti EU forever, wouldn't be surprised if he voted to leave yesterday.I've see this said a bit. What do you mean ?
And you know why they have to repackage and calibrate?Someone at work - I said I still haven't heard a reasonable reason to leave, and he said he just doesn't like the 'all the daft laws they make us abide by'. I asked which those were and he had no answer, but he did say the other day how mad he was about a fisherman that had to repackage all his fish because of an EU regulation.
Fantastic reason.
Exactly my point. While you get your fair share of criticism, nobody ever stopped you doing that.Our economy is propped up by direct foreign investment from the USA. Ireland is the biggest receiver of inward investment from the US in the world. So, in what alternate universe does money from the US increasing the Irish GDP have anything to do with Europe, other than Europe trying to control Ireland corporate tax rate in an effort to redirect that investment to the European centre.
And the EU does not allow us to do anything with taxes, Ireland like all European states is tax sovereign. Maybe you didnt know that. So get off your high horse.
Germany are going to squeeze the shit out of the UK, make an example to the rest.Europe setting it stalls. Convinced free movement will still be around in 2018.Tweet
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The funny thing is that they still have to do that if they want to export into the Union. Nothing will change. Especially all that fisherman stuff has been daft as feck, a lot of fishing regulations aren't even part of EU jurisdiction but bilateral and multilateral agreements.And you know why they have to repackage and calibrate?
Because they have access to an entire continent and it's more convenient to all respect the same rules, that way you don't have to adapt your packaging for every destinations, it's the same everywhere.
Your optimism... I need a quart of what you are on.How would a second referendum go?
Corbyn said that he was for IN. But he was never more than luke-warm about it stating that he rated the EU '7/10' at best. Compared to other IN campaigners he did sod all really to try and influence the labour voters he purports to represent.I've see this said a bit. What do you mean ?
Tell him he will be dead too soon for it to matter.My neighbour(75) voted leave, just asked me what I think will happen to the economy now. Since I'm an economist.
Pretty much. I thought they'd be lenient at first, but there's no reason for them not to feck us over now and show the rest of Europe what happens if they leave. Shows the downsides of the EU...but also why we're fecked for leaving.Germany are going to squeeze the shit out of the UK, make an example to the rest.
His 'campaigning' for remain was as lacklustre as it gets.Corbyn as far as I'm aware has been anti EU forever, wouldn't be surprised if he voted to leave yesterday.
If we held a second referendum today, I'm pretty sure Remain would win. Until people start losing jobs before it hits home.How would a second referendum go?
Yes absolutely. Irelands membership of the EU has very little to do with its seriously attractive corporate tax rate. And the trade agreement that the US is now negotiating with Europe will mean that Irelands membership is practically a complete non issue for investment. I would also like to point out that global trade tariffs are pretty low anyway and the US can pretty much choose to do its business wherever it wants because it is so powerful in terms of consumers.Exactly my point. While you get your fair share of criticism, nobody ever stopped you doing that.
And just think about it a second: do you think the US would invest in Ireland if it wasn't part of the largest free trade zone and political union in the world? Don't think so. Taxes can be as low as the want as long as the place doesn't have anything to offer to investors.
No, because it's terrible dreadful European Union telling them to do something which won't hurt them at all and will have no negative impact on them, but forget that, it's terrible EU that are stripping you off of your dignity by asking you to do a simple task. NOBODY WILL EVER TELL ME WHAT I HAVE TO DO!And you know why they have to repackage and calibrate?
Because they have access to an entire continent and it's more convenient to all respect the same rules, that way you don't have to adapt your packaging for every destinations, it's the same everywhere.
signed - because lets be honest we know farrage wouldn't have stopped if the result had gone the other way
I'm a big fan of Corbyn and anti EU too and believe it should be rolled back much closer to its 1973 origins but this is not the way to do it. And he knows that.Corbyn as far as I'm aware has been anti EU forever, wouldn't be surprised if he voted to leave yesterday.
If true then yes, but I find it hard to believe, he seems like a man of integrity from this distance.Corbyn said that he was for IN. But he was never more than luke-warm about it stating that he rated the EU '7/10' at best. Compared to other IN campaigners he did sod all really to try and influence the labour voters he purports to represent.
In my opinion he put 'scoring one over the Tories' or at best 'not looking like you agree too much with them' above the good of the nation. Total disgrace.
Overwhelmingly I'd say based on my repsentative sample size of 2. Husband and wife leave voters in the train next to me wife very anxious about what's happened to the economy and the husband burying his head in the sand and saying it's not that bad.If we held a second referendum today, I'm pretty sure Remain would win. Until people start losing jobs before it hits home.
Even if it wasn't regulated, at some point they would have the common sense to do it, it's completely stupid to take the risk of a mistake. People don't complain about the regulated size of the shipping containers or pallets, they are the main reasons behind the standardization and it doesn't come from the EU.The funny thing is that they still have to do that if they want to export into the Union. Nothing will change. Especially all that fisherman stuff has been daft as feck, a lot of fishing regulations aren't even part of EU jurisdiction but bilateral and multilateral agreements.
This is part of why it's incredibly worrying. So many people want to take back our independence and accountability, supposedly; problem is they don't actually know what from.
Say what you want about the independence referendum, but people understood mainly what we were voting for: an independent nation with self-government. A lot of anti-EU voters don't seem to understand that we're already a sovereign nation.
Same guy said he's been waiting 40 years to vote out. Again when I asked why he had no answer.I think it's safe to say that a lot of people voted blindly.
I don't want to sound condescending, but in case you weren't aware, a decade (which is what you said) is ten years, which means since 2006, not 2009. So, you're wrong. If you'd said 2009, you'd be correct. Maybe if you'd looked into it, you'd have said 2009, and therefore be correct. But you clearly didn't, so c'est la vie. Trying to dance around the argument and squabble over bit-parts does not make you any less incorrect.You didnt read the statement I made... people WITH third level education!! I had to exercise some serious self control here because I could get banned for the things I want to say to you right now. You have proved the fact that immigration is a huge issue because of the European Union. Honestly, how many people going to Ireland would go there for it's thriving economy and jobs market over the last decade?
By the way the numbers in those ALL COUNTRIES are bigger for Emigrants than Immigrants since 2009... haha way to go proving your point, you proved mine you feckwit!
Labour didn't lose all the working class vote a long time ago. Labour still holds most of Manchester, other post industrial cities and is still the second largest party. On Brexit though, those Labour strongholds were largely in favour of Leave, voters who stuck with Labour felt strongly that Corbyn's Labour were completely out of touch with them on this core issue and I would be surprised if the party hasn't taken a big hit because of it.I've posted this before but http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2015/05/labour-lost-the-working-class-vote-a-long-time-ago/ UKIP has just given the working class a single political voice.
As for Corbyn he was clearly the best in the leadership race, who would you rather had won ?
Liz Kendall - She seems like a nice person and all but any sort of political core/beliefs. I couldn't tell you what Liz Kendall stood for or what a UK would look like with a prime minster Kendall and sadly Liz Kendall couldn't tell you either.
Yvette Cooper - ''We shouldn't just talk about the trains,planes and the boy toys'' no need to say anything else.
Andy Burham - The Ed Miliband before there was a Ed Miliband
Corbyn at the very least showed an alternative, a different view point and narrative to mainstream British politics, yes he was was the best of some what bad bunch and is this viewpoint unelectable mostly likely but I can't blame people for voting for it.
I assumed that would be the reason. It's a ridiculous thing for a 60 year old building surveyor to be mad about, even if there was crappy reason for the repackaging.And you know why they have to repackage and calibrate?
Because they have access to an entire continent and it's more convenient to all respect the same rules, that way you don't have to adapt your packaging for every destinations, it's the same everywhere.
He played politics with the nations future and that of our kids. And he won't be the one that has to sort it all out. Utter self-serving cnut.Corbyn as far as I'm aware has been anti EU forever, wouldn't be surprised if he voted to leave yesterday.
If you do, you have no understanding of economics. The reason all those companies are there is that they can have an EU headquarter in which they can avoid paying taxes and have access to a highly educated, english speaking workforce. And can bring in experts from all over Europe because of free movement.Yes absolutely. Irelands membership of the EU has very little to do with its seriously attractive corporate tax rate. And the trade agreement that the US is now negotiating with Europe will mean that Irelands membership is practically a complete non issue for investment. I would also like to point out that global trade tariffs are pretty low anyway and the US can pretty much choose to do its business wherever it wants because it is so powerful in terms of consumers.
Crazy.I'm seeing a lot of people who voted Leave asking what this actually means now. Jesus (and I) wept.
I agree.If we held a second referendum today, I'm pretty sure Remain would win. Until people start losing jobs before it hits home.
it certainly puts the UK in a very difficult situation. Implementing border control as well as the potential loss of dual-citizenship would likely lead to them leaving the UK and possibly a unified Ireland.The border from the Republic to the north will be interesting. Are we going to see checkpoints back? The vox pops on the issues focused a lot on immigration and the current situation means ireland could become a soft entry point to the UK.
Yeah an open Irish border seems like it has to exist from a economic perspective, yet as you said what's to stop all these dreaded immigrants from landing in Dublin, getting to Belfast and then disseminating throughout the UK?The border from the Republic to the north will be interesting. Are we going to see checkpoints back? The vox pops on the issues focused a lot on immigration and the current situation means ireland could become a soft entry point to the UK.
It's about establishing clear, predictable and stable conditions as soon as possible. The Brexit campaign has won, and will be politically in charge soon, too. So let's get this show rolling.Pretty much. I thought they'd be lenient at first, but there's no reason for them not to feck us over now and show the rest of Europe what happens if they leave. Shows the downsides of the EU...but also why we're fecked for leaving.
