Court on Monday I believe.So if 11pm comes and goes and no extension is requested what happens?
Court on Monday I believe.So if 11pm comes and goes and no extension is requested what happens?
Queen should dismiss him if he’s actively breaking the law. Appoint herself Prime Minister and tell the country Brexit is a sack of shit and she’s cancelling it.Court on Monday I believe.
BBC say Letwin vote will be very very tightBoris has said he will obey the Law, but I don't recall him saying which Law. I suspect this will go to Court this week and they will argue for primacy of EU Law, and Article 50.
That's if Letwin passes, which it is thought to.
It may well be. Hard to call on any of the votes. ERG will "overwhelmingly" vote for the Bill and against the Amendment. Guess it comes down to the ex-Tories, who are probably split on it.BBC say Letwin vote will be very very tight
Yeah honestly I don't know what I want to happen today, if we come out of it with an extension, I'll be satisfied.I’m so fecking conflicted on this. Rejecting the deal gives a chance for an election and perhaps a referendum. Increasing the chances Brexit is blocked. It also increases the chances of no-deal Brexit sharply. Compromise now or take it down the wire in a winner-takes-all gamble?
Although I’m at the march to Parliament atm and every one here is against the deal. I guess I’m more pessimistic than the people around me.
TBH neither can Scotland or NI.Nah Wales will stay with England, we can't afford to go it on our own.
I'd be amazed if this didn't result in a No Deal, if this Deal is voted down. Whether that be due to Macron, or be it due to the Courts or Boris. And if the deal is voted down, and there was an Extension, and it goes to a GE, Tories, on the back of a rejected deal, would win in a landslide and then pass that deal, and whatever else they wanted to for the next 5 years.I’m so fecking conflicted on this. Rejecting the deal gives a chance for an election and perhaps a referendum. Increasing the chances Brexit is blocked. It also increases the chances of no-deal Brexit sharply. Compromise now or take it down the wire in a winner-takes-all gamble?
Although I’m at the march to Parliament atm and every one here is against the deal. I guess I’m more pessimistic than the people around me.
So what would be better in this situation?I'd be amazed if this didn't result in a No Deal, if this Deal is voted down. Whether that be due to Macron, or be it due to the Courts or Boris. And if the deal is voted down, and there was an Extension, and it goes to a GE, Tories, on the back of a rejected deal, would win in a landslide and then pass that deal, and whatever else they wanted to for the next 5 years.
Are the Tories guaranteed to win an election in the 2nd case? About half of the country is opposed to Brexit, I think they would have to form another coalition.So what would be better in this situation?
Pass the deal then, knowing Brexit is sorted, well the first part, have an election based purely on domestic issues and the potential EU relationship rather than Brexit alone?
OR
Reject the deal, secure an extension, have an election with the Tories most likely dominating and doing whatever they want for the next 5 years?
If polls are to be believed (which i don't believe them, but for sake of argument i'm assuming they're accurate), then yes, they'd likely win with a strong majority. Again, who knows what will happen, but i'd much rather the deal be passed then an election can be held based on our future relationship and other pressing domestic issues, which at the moment, seem to be brushed aside somewhat.Are the Tories guaranteed to win an election in the 2nd case? About half of the country is opposed to Brexit, I think they would have to form another coalition.
Nothing is guaranteed in these unpredictable times.Are the Tories guaranteed to win an election in the 2nd case? About half of the country is opposed to Brexit, I think they would have to form another coalition.
I know a few people like that too.Nothing is guaranteed in these unpredictable times.
I live in a Labour stronghold in the north and a lot of people are unhappy. Even people i personally know (who have never voted Conservative) will vote for them at the next election.
I agree, Macron for his own reasons wants to get Brexit sorted, and with Merkel about to step down he is making a bid to be the main leader in the EU going forward, and once we've gone he has a clear run because like us France is the only EU country with a seat on the UN Security Council and in defence terms, within the EU, that makes them 'top dog'.Whether that be due to Macron,
I think letwin passes... But if not I thinkMy guess is Letwin bill will be rejected .Vote will go ahead . And Boris deal will be passed.
Whichever way you game it, I see Tories winning. That Boris got a deal kind of ensures that.So what would be better in this situation?
Pass the deal then, knowing Brexit is sorted, well the first part, have an election based purely on domestic issues and the potential EU relationship rather than Brexit alone?
OR
Reject the deal, secure an extension, have an election with the Tories most likely dominating and doing whatever they want for the next 5 years?
Whether this deal passes or there is no deal there will still be a hard border between the UK and France so makes little difference plus chances are a lot of businesses will move from the UK to Europe including France.I agree, Macron for his own reasons wants to get Brexit sorted, and with Merkel about to step down he is making a bid to be the main leader in the EU going forward, and once we've gone he has a clear run because like us France is the only EU country with a seat on the UN Security Council and in defence terms, within the EU, that makes them 'top dog'.
Whether he could afford for France to take the hit of a 'no deal', which is what would surely result if the EU refuse an extension, is still debateable; however Macron has a lot more to play for in the EU going forward and with the UK gone and Merkel about to stand down such opportunities for leadership of Europe are rare and Macron might just be tempted.
Where does civil war feature in this timeline?I think letwin passes... But if not I think
Letwin defeated
Boris defeated
No deal defeated
Referendum defeated
Boris either sends no letter or a second letter to scupper the extension
No confidence motion lodged Monday and to be debated tuesday ...
Boris defeated but no immediate alternative
Basically we will be a week from a hard brexit with no pm and the only thing people can agree on is they don't want hard brexit... Yet still can't agree to stop it
Next Saturday?Where does civil war feature in this timeline?
Yes indeed, what's that old saying "we get the politicians we deserve". Todays politicians in particular are all about self/party interests, whether we like it or not, when it comes to wielding power, none of them vote in the National Interest, its just a ploy.Basically we will be a week from a hard brexit with no pm and the only thing people can agree on is they don't want hard brexit... Yet still can't agree to stop it
When we look at Spain, Hong Kong, or even Chile now, we can maybe get a glimpse of what may even start today. Today's street protest could easily become tonight's riot. Things don't bode well, whichever way this goes, in this regard.Where does civil war feature in this timeline?
And none more so than this SNP Westminster Leader currently speaking. Honestly, I put SNP on the same level as the BNP.Yes indeed, what's that old saying "we get the politicians we deserve". Todays politicians in particular are all about self/party interests, whether we like it or not, when it comes to wielding power, none of them vote in the National Interest, its just a ploy.
Years ago I was involved with trying to get manufacturing companies in the North West involved in what was a then known as an EITB Awards scheme, particularly aimed and 16/17 years old being offered the 'old fashioned' apprenticeship training. At my first conference address my big USP was to tempt them with a call to 'train for the future' and I was told in no uncertain terms, "Sorry, but when it comes down to it, nobody trains in the National Interest only in their Company's interest"... shot me down in flames!
Same now with our politicians, its party and self interest only...nothing really changes does it!
BNP are neo-Nazis!And none more so than this SNP Westminster Leader currently speaking. Honestly, I put SNP on the same level as the BNP.
Looolz, what a daft state.ent.And none more so than this SNP Westminster Leader currently speaking. Honestly, I put SNP on the same level as the BNP.
I’m busy, I’ve got musical tickets, can we reschedule?Next Saturday?
This could be why Johnson seems so quick to move the vote to next week.When we look at Spain, Hong Kong, or even Chile now, we can maybe get a glimpse of what may even start today. Today's street protest could easily become tonight's riot. Things don't bode well, whichever way this goes, in this regard.
What about if this race to the bottom/Singapore type economy occurs and the UK deregulates on workers rights, lowers wages, etc? Then the opposite might occur, European businesses moving to the UK, then shipping everything back through NI into the EU... oh forgot there wont be enough workers in the UK because of restrictions on FoM! Still with a points based scheme in play, then enough bottle-top-makers, widget putter on'ers, lefthanded screw driver makers, could be recruited from elsewhere as required. etc.plus chances are a lot of businesses will move from the UK to Europe including France.
What the actual feck?And none more so than this SNP Westminster Leader currently speaking. Honestly, I put SNP on the same level as the BNP.
A party that ignores the Scottish Referendum, the EU Referendum, and would inflict yet another 2 referendums, and a simultaneous Brexit and Dissolution of the Union, and the economic double whammy that would inflict on the UK and in particular on Scotland. Yeah, I view them as lower than UKIP, as utterly shamelessly nationalistic as the BNP.What the actual feck?
Apparently the whips of both parties think Letwin will pass by 5.My guess is Letwin bill will be rejected .Vote will go ahead . And Boris deal will be passed.
She’s a woman back in her place now, course they do.Her party all love May now.