I think a lot of our problems is how the voting system works, parties that spend most of their times taking potshots are their own party colleagues instead of working for the people they are supposed to represent. That is and has never been down to the EU.
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I can see how that hurts a country like Norway
But the UK with its large population and international influence actually benefit from such an agreement.
He was a remainer. I think.
Exactly, if we got our shit together we could make the EU work for us.
The rules determining the timetable for the exit of a member state were created by the EU itself. All we're hearing now is the anger of a spurned lover. The practicalities will assert themselves in the coming weeks. Brexit is not as simple as walking through a door; it's about the untangling of an immensely complicated political, legal and economic relationship.
The bigger a political entity the less democratic, in the hugely important sense of people having control of their own lives. At the moment I determine what programs I watch on TV; if everybody on my street was required to watch the same programs, decided by a vote of its inhabitants, my control of that aspect of my life would be ended. The fact that the process was impeccably 'democratic' would be little consolation.
But that rule only starts when the article 50 is triggered from that point we have at least 2 years to deal with the untangling of an immensely complicated political, legal and economic relationship.
It was still a blatant lie and exactly the type of claim that the Brexiter's made during this campaign.
Oz have always hated us.
Anyone think we could see violence over this with people really being divided.
We have already seen violence sadly. The man who murdered Jo Cox told the court his name was 'death to traitors, freedom for Britain'. There is a lot of hate out there at the moment.
We already have. Wouldn't be surprised with more violence, but hope people can stay calm and pragmatic.
Of course yeah, didn't think of that. I did of course mean post-Brexit though.
Leavers as a stereotype are already the violent ones. All carry knives and eat their own children.
The remainers like myself are sipping tea, typing on their smartphones and are absolutely livid. Absolute toffs the lot of us.
I personally think we should go straight into exit talks.
The leave party have no plan but wanted to leave.
Lets get them to sit there and ask so whats the plan then?
Just do it, there you go leave party, this is the Britain you want enjoy.
The leave party have no plan but wanted to leave.
Lets get them to sit there and ask so whats the plan then?
Just do it, there you go leave party, this is the Britain you want enjoy.
I wouldn't get violent but I would like to take a shit on BoJo's doorstep.
Here. That's literally the first ones i did found via google.
The "global economic slowdown" did not slowdown most of countries. That trade within EC.
They still will trade with EC. Saying that all the trade with EC will die out is foolish.
How to deliver a second Referendum
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How To Deliver A Second Referendum:
https://waitingfortax.com/2016/06/24/when-i-say-no-i-mean-maybe/
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Don't negotiations only start after article 50 has been activated? And have to be concluded within 2 years.
Uncertainty is not good. Especially for a country like the UK heavily dependent on the financial services.Markets love stability.
Hmm
I'd like to know genuinely what these LEAVE want?
Stop immigration right now?
Deport immigrants?
Force everybody to drink beer and eat beef?
What do they want?
Sadly it is now an us vs them.
Sorry, you were right.... Seems there was a 80%+ turnout of youth.
To all those calling for a general election, why? You just fundamentally disagreed with every political party in the UK besides UKIP. Why would you want the chance to vote for somebody you disagree with?
They can take my Guinness over my cold dead hands. I'll be drinking none of that English shite.
Isn't it English-owned?
I don't get the UK has the EU over a barrel argument. No one knows how this whole mess is going to turn out, dozens of contracts with every nation will have to be negotiated and it seems like the politicians don't even have some kind of strategy for it. Why would anyone invest into such a situation? It won't be good for the EU either, but that club has its clear rules and positions, which definitely carries a lot more certainty and predictability.
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Meant culturally but yes I take your point.
Why would doomsday happen unnless the Remain camp were right in the first place?
I do agree, but also we need to consider that it's EC and it's politics that formed political establishment, including the one in UK. No, it's not EC's fault or anything, but they did provide a sort of environment for those Blairs, Camerons etc.
I don't get you, do you think Thatcher is better? Do you think that Blair >> Cameron? Do you think that corbyns, milibands are better? How about Duncan Smith? The prominent leave supporter, i think he run against Brown, well he was in Tory opposition somewhere in early 2000s.
Cause if you saying that for the last 20-30 years there were not a single decent politician in UK that would actually win, then it's a moot point. I just think many people want fairy godmother as number 10. That will not happen, even a great politician would not solve all problems, bring everlasting peace and fair growth etc.
It comes from treating politics like sport. Oh we won, so now you have to come with us and help us create an absolute shitshow.
What does Leave even consider the best deal? Single market access and free movement, like Hannan wants? A magical Australian points style system? Which trade deals? And when?
"Come together", bollocks to that
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People are angry because the main reason people have voted Out won't be achieved. So why go through this period of uncertainty and probable economic downturn?
Leave leaders have all but admitted immigration won't change. SO WHAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT.
People are angry because they warned others that what they've been led to believe was a lie but were labeled as SCAREMONGERS.
People are angry because half the population didn't see through the bullshit about £350m per week more for the NHS.
People are angry because any attempt to educate the public about what they were about to do was met with scorn and derision.
People are angry that the decision made will affect everybody.
People are angry that unlike a normal election cycle this isn't an issue hat can be resolved in five years. It's a decision that consequences could be felt for generations.
People are angry that the people most encouraged to vote leave aren't going to live long enough to endure he long term consequences of their decision.
People are angry that such a monumental decision was treated by a lot of people as a protest vote. "Let's give the establishment a bloody nose."
Leave leaders have all but admitted immigration won't change. SO WHAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT.
People are angry because they warned others that what they've been led to believe was a lie but were labeled as SCAREMONGERS.
People are angry because half the population didn't see through the bullshit about £350m per week more for the NHS.
People are angry because any attempt to educate the public about what they were about to do was met with scorn and derision.
People are angry that the decision made will affect everybody.
People are angry that unlike a normal election cycle this isn't an issue hat can be resolved in five years. It's a decision that consequences could be felt for generations.
People are angry that the people most encouraged to vote leave aren't going to live long enough to endure he long term consequences of their decision.
People are angry that such a monumental decision was treated by a lot of people as a protest vote. "Let's give the establishment a bloody nose."
Leave lot have no intention on explaining how it's going to work, nor alleviating the fears we have. So they may get on with the shit show while the rest of us watch with close attention and quietly consider our options away from the UK.
They can get fecked with their "let's come together" bullshit. I'm not xenophobic, not uneducated and I'm not a fecking little Englander who can't stand up for myself. I have nothing in common with these people.
And get this, I'm not rich, nor even middle class by my wage. I'm kind of broke - doing a PhD and have no guarantees of anything in terms of a career but I like having options and this vote has just fecked people like me right over (from a working class background).
Christ, what a bunch of fecktards
Any chance Parliament will ignore the referendum results then?
Brilliant!Fecking idiots
Good post, I'm in a similar position and from a similar background and totally agree. It's just not on...