Agree with this strongly. Where I live and work it is predominantly white British and over 70% voted to leave. Any racism here is fuelled by the media and a political class who feel it beneficial to stoke it as opposed to any personal life experiences.
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Come on, Jippy, do you really believe he should have only lasted nine minutes Jippy? Oh Jippy, I expected better from you.
I reckon BuryRed was actually right about him being a Russian
Urgh, it's horrible when people do that.Dunno if he was a Russian, a bot, troll or just a racist nutter, but he was...something.
You really don't get it do you.
Right let us try just a few of these:
The UK don't have control of their borders, a frequent statement made by Brexiters .
Is this correct or not?
The UK could not have blue passports while in the EU.
Is this correct or not.
Can the UK not erect a border if they leave the Customs Union and revert to WTO rules?
These are not opinions, the answers are facts.
Nothing about voting differently.
Maybe some people are better informed.
Maybe there are some stupid people.
Maybe there are some lazy people.
Oh dearie me.
Poetry isn't what it used to be.
I tried to make it rhyme but failed.Poetry isn't what it used to be.
I agree that immigration is not the root cause of the crisis but surely you must concede that an extra x000 people arriving every year and needing a place to live would exacerbate the situation?
I don't think many, if any, get council homes, so no
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Love that comments section"would we get the right to vote on what type of Remain people actually voted for?"
That’s a very simplistic take on it. The laws of supply and demand apply when it comes to rent and the more people trying to find rental properties, the more expensive renting becomes. Which means more and more people unable to ever leave their council homes.
She doesn't know what the outcome will be.
Brexit surely means Brexit which is no deal.
If it means stockpiling food and medicine, well how can Brexit not be good.
'Beanz
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Meanz
Brexit'
Nothing that you've posted here has anything to do with what I've posted nor addressed any of the questions I've asked of you. In fact half of it makes no sense whatsoever. You also seem to be confusing me for a Leave voter. Do you need me to go back over things?
Please not again
No, the point is that people call people stupid and thick and moronic when the reason they give for voting Brexit is an obvious falsehood.Nothing that you've posted here has anything to do with what I've posted nor addressed any of the questions I've asked of you. In fact half of it makes no sense whatsoever. You also seem to be confusing me for a Leave voter. Do you need me to go back over things?
If a person says they voted for reason 'x' and that was a valid reason then it wouldn't happen. That person may not be happy that the other person voted thus but they wouldn't call them stupid.
Let's just take one of the questions say blue passports, I presume you know that the UK could have had blue passports, therefore if a Brexiter says 'I voted Brexit because I want a blue passport' what would your opinion be of that person?
1. Oh what a silly sausage, never mind anyone can make a mistake, don't worry about the mess you've put the country in.
2. Why didn't you check first, it would have taken two minutes. Ignorance is no excuse.
3. How stupid can you get.
4. Well done for being so well informed. Excellent choice.
Yep I'm totally reassured .
Supply and demand, perhaps instead of focusing on the demand from foreigners we focus on the supply problem. Also the cost of housing is totally detached from any reality of supply and demand.
It’s a combination of media and simple psychology. People who aren’t used to being around people who look or sound or act differently, have more fear of the ‘other’ than people who are regularly surrounded by them. It’s a pretty basic societal instinct. Luckily when people are put into a new environment we adapt very quickly.
They could put a stop to that rent to buy shite for a start..
You can't just come into this thread and leave a dump on the page like that and walk away.
Bring your doggy bag with you next time
Thatch could have stopped the selling off of council houses but she didnt. Yes, you can go back that far.
And what about those who rent privately?
Sorry only just seen this reply. If you are genuinely saying that supply and demand has no impact on the cost of housing then you are just plain wrong.
Not even a little bit of racism? Really?
As for the rest
Are you Boris Buffoon Johnson?
Only a little?
You can focus on whatever you want but that won’t stop other people (i.e. voters) being aware of the demand side of that equation. Which similarly applies to demand on other services, such as healthcare and education. This doesn’t mean they are racist.
The cost of housing has grown because of the cheap supply of money, not population
They focus on demand because politicians feed their prejudice whilst cutting taxes and services
Working and paying taxes, which in the normal scheme of things should help pay for more housing
I understand stockpiling for a huge storm, or severe winter...
But how does it work when you're stockpiling for a new status that will remain indefinitely? Those need to be some huge fecking stockpiles.
Might be a blessing at this rate.
So you agree that Leave voters worried about increasing demand on resources, with finite supply? Good. Once again, that isn’t racist.
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The supply of housing is not finite. We build more every year. We just don't build enough. If you blame migrants for this instead of the Government the you are a racist
It is finite. Space, material, money and labour are all finite resources that are crucial to housing creation. Now, it's true that the UK do not lack any of these things at the moment.
You’re being ridiculously pedantic with your first two sentences and seem to completely misunderstand what racism actually means with your fourth (and in numerous previous posts). So I’m not going to take this any further.
bonus points if you blame foreign builders and tradespeople
I'd argue the conclusion of housing demand being an issue caused by immigration stems from a racist viewpoint in most (not all) cases. We've all heard the drunken idiot in pubs moaning about an endless list of issues caused by immigration, now is he actually moaning about the problems (that don't exist in most cases) or is it just that they know they're the only statements they can express?
It's easy for these people to hide behind such statements.
First of all, concern about immigration being a drain on resources (whether or not it's valid) is not the same thing as racism.
If they were moaning about how the immigrants aren't integrating into British culture and bringing with them cultural norms that are bad for society then yes, that's pretty close to racism. And this is definitely happening too. It's an incredibly simplistic view (which mozza is prone to, with his stream of pithy one liners) to lump all the different concerns about immigration (and all the different people expressing them) into one big, amorphous, racist bunch of people. Which is not to say that there aren't a whole load of racists in amongst that bunch of people because there obviously is.
Apart from anything else, there's already been data in this thread showing that a lot of POC voted Leave, presumably because of these concerns about unchecked immigration. How are they being racist, exactly? And to whom?