Crikey I remember that. It was listed the government took it private if I remember it right. I got the scoop on Fidelity leading a shareholder action group about it and they ended up taking down Stephen Byers - must have been 2000/2001.
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Yeah he's a Tory.
He's bad, even for a Tory. The fact he is that fecking dumb he didn't realise a frictionless border at Dover is important for trade, even as Brexit minister, is all the more galling.
You think they want to back out of Brexit entirely? That would be quite a spectacular U-turn and maybe political suicide. I take it more as a call to Brexiters not to be satisfied with May's deal. Perhaps even an attempt to lure moderates or remainers into rebellion.
A striking 31% of leave voters believed that Muslim immigration was part of a wider plot to make Muslims the majority in Britain, a conspiracy theory that originated in French far-right circles that was known as the “great replacement”.
https://www.theguardian.com/society...-60-of-britons-believe-in-conspiracy-theories
Wasn't about racism though...
https://www.theguardian.com/society...-60-of-britons-believe-in-conspiracy-theories
Wasn't about racism though...
No doubt, i used to think while the Tory party was generally a den of pricks a few of them were surely half sensible and competent. But the last two years has changed that thinking.
No, they do not want out of brexit. Only describing how much they hate the deal. The funny thing is their arguments for hating the deal, contradict their arguments for wanting out in the first place.
The Times and Fraser Nelson in The Telegraph both report this morning that the Tory Brexiteers now have their arms fully wrapped around a "managed" no deal plan (as floated by Leadsom a few weeks ago).
May will be ousted by one of the 'pizza plotters' as soon as her deal is rejected by Parliament - they'll then take control and steer us off the cliff edge.
May will be ousted by one of the 'pizza plotters' as soon as her deal is rejected by Parliament - they'll then take control and steer us off the cliff edge.
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They don't even have a veto.
Thought that was Fox News.
Yeah, we want good old British food like pizza and Peking Duck!
they would have a veto on the final deal (at the end of the transition period though wouldn't they (I think all countries would)
It's almost like these people deserve the chaos of no deal.
Can't sensible people stay in Europe, or something?
I reckon she goes on holiday to Spain, anyway.
May has taken over because she is desperately trying to avoid that.
She appointed DD to do the negotiating in good faith and to balance out the fact that as PM she was a remainer.
DD superciliously went over there and basically opened with 'give us everything we want and more - or we'll jump off the cliff'
What do you expect the EU to say other than 'ok jump off the cliff then'
Does anyone really think that £39b means that much to them?
DD didn't even have briefing notes if you recall - why? Because jumping off the cliff is exactly what he and all the others want.
I reckon candid phone calls from the EU woke TM up to that reality and the last thing she wants is for something like that to happen on her watch.
Tbf I do believe that she has got the good of the country and democracy at heart (however deluded that may be) and is not cynically trying to cling to power. She's a servant not a leader.
So if by some chance she can get this deal through, and at the end of the transition we have a comprehensive FTA with a solution for NI then she could claim a degree of success.
If she loses then I think she would need to resign. If the party then elects a Brexiteer for PM then no-deal will be also voted down and we will be in a constitutional crisis.
Labour will then (rightly) push for a no-confidence in the government motion and we will get a GE.
Lines would then need to be redrawn on what the parties are going to campaign on with regards to Brexit.
Several parties will probably have a 2nd referendum with remain as an option in their manifestos
Who would win? I don't know....
Extremely hacked off leavers on the one hand vs relieved remainers on the other.
This could go on for years.
Don't forget while all this is happening we would have probably slipped into a recession.
Tories/UKIP would win that's who. I think a GE will happen despite it being improbable and Labour will get demolished by pushing for a second referendum.
Remain Tories will not vote Labour whilst the Labour leavers will rush to UKIP.
The only hope is that the usual non-voters turn out but I'm not sure they'll necessarily vote remain anyway.
Maybe the remainers in parliament could push through lowering the voting age to try and make it a stitch up
Remain Tories will not vote Labour whilst the Labour leavers will rush to UKIP.
The only hope is that the usual non-voters turn out but I'm not sure they'll necessarily vote remain anyway.
Maybe the remainers in parliament could push through lowering the voting age to try and make it a stitch up
Yeah but she'll on buy British food and British drink when she's there so she's not a hypocrite.
Some defo will. Avoiding Brexit is way more important than Labour getting in for one term, even if it is under Corbyn's leadership.
I'd love it so much if all the multitudinous groups could somehow get together for a national day of action to show the "Well just get on with it then" people how it'll be in a No Deal Brexit. It'd be terrifying.
Hmm, be careful what you wish for.
Indeed. You're evidence of that - and 2017 showed there were plenty of liberal Tories in London as an example willing to move away from the party due to their stance on Brexit.
Why would they get demolished for pushing for a 2nd referendum? Is that not what the people want?
Not sure even Corbyn and McDonnell can be as ruinous long-term as Brexit. Hopefully parliament wouldn't pass their more extreme policies.
Yep the lurch to the right has lost many voters, eg my wife and I, plus I am fortunate enough to have a genuinely good MP in Andy Slaughter, so I can focus on his local work, not the thought of voting for Corbyn.
He doesn't know anything. Nobody does. It's all hot air.
May was supposed to destroy Corbyn last time out.
Pfftt, give it a year or two and you'll be shouting at your Lenin poster about how Labour haven't gone far enough to the left.
May about to take live questions from the public on brexit on BBC (5 live and bbc news)...
its going to be a half hour car crash
its going to be a half hour car crash
Either way it seems like all we would be voting for is what's the best worst policy. Now we're in turmoil It seems many politicians are finally realising Brexit is probably not quite worth all the trouble they've caused.
She's talking about Christmas Cards right now...
Now she's talking about cupcakes.
and a 9 year old who baked her a cup cake... avoid questions as much as possible - they should have got paxman or similar to do this
The questioner going on about male politicians resigning, what the hell was that about... she's had plenty of female politicians resigning too. Bizarre.
Wow she's dodging.
One decent question which she got pressed on. Rest was fluff.
I misread that as dogging... which in fairness would have been a proper news story
She inadvertedly admitted that remaining was the better option.

maybe she'd get more support then.Yeah my statement was a bit absolute, what i meant was that i think more voters will leave Labour for UKIP than they'll gain elsewhere.
The SNP would likely gain seats from the Tories but unfortunately the Lib Dems or Greens aren't in a position to be much of an alternative to Corbyn.
A couple of months ago YouGov were showing Labour would be around 10% behind if they blocked Brexit. I'm sure that's reduced as people have changed their minds but you'd still need an historic swing to Labour to pull it off.
Maybe enough Tories will hate Boris and Mogg who knows
She looked pretty annoyed about it too when the camera zoomed out.
I didn't catch the first half of the interview, did anyone ask her about the story of the army having to issue out medicine? Granted, I think that its based more on one of the Government (can't remember her name) miscommunication but it's still a pretty wild story.