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Not a recommendable investment for the risk you take. You get less in the bank but you wont lose it. And any low risk investment will give you more surplus.

How is possible with the price of the fares that they get that low profit?
Because fairs are regulated.... As you can see from the breakdown it's taken up with leasing trains... Operating costs but mostly repairing and maintaing the network which as it's so old and was massively underinvestment in for decades is basically held together with string and crossed fingers
 

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Because fairs are regulated.... As you can see from the breakdown it's taken up with leasing trains... Operating costs but mostly repairing and maintaing the network which as it's so old and was massively underinvestment in for decades is basically held together with string and crossed fingers
So is not entirely private? Is not the companies that sets the fairs?
 

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:lol::lol::lol:

Neither of those options will ever happen in the UK. You can either have an inefficiently run rail network or a privately run inefficient rail network. Take your pick.
Yeah I agree. I was using a hypothetical to demonstrate the logic as to why a less-efficient system could possibly be better, for the public, in some scenarios.

Not to suggest it would, or would not.
 

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So is not entirely private? Is not the companies that sets the fairs?
Probably not the thread for it but yes fairs are regulated... The large increase over recent years has been to fund infrastructure upgrades and maintenance... Largely because our network is old and in technical terms it's fecking shit
 

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Probably not the thread for it but yes fairs are regulated... The large increase over recent years has been to fund infrastructure upgrades and maintenance... Largely because our network is old and in technical terms it's fecking shit
SOrry, you are right. Not the thread. Thanks for the explanations though
 

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I haven't followed the news for a few days and I'm not really clever enough to make sense of a lot of it anyway, so I'll ask one of you kind lot to sum it up for me: are we any closer to May leaving/stopping this whole thing?

Thanks for any replies
 

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I haven't followed the news for a few days and I'm not really clever enough to make sense of a lot of it anyway, so I'll ask one of you kind lot to sum it up for me: are we any closer to May leaving/stopping this whole thing?

Thanks for any replies
Well, we've spent the last few days arguing about communism and rail privatisation to be honest.
 

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I haven't followed the news for a few days and I'm not really clever enough to make sense of a lot of it anyway, so I'll ask one of you kind lot to sum it up for me: are we any closer to May leaving/stopping this whole thing?

Thanks for any replies
the first vote on the deal is still like 3 weeks away, we'll find out then
 

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I think the past 4 years will go down as one of the most mismanaged periods of British political history.

What an absolute shambles.

Brexit should NOT happen. What a shame...
 

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Study shows 60% of Britons believe in conspiracy theories

Leavers more likely to doubt immigration figures and think there is a plot to make Muslims the majority in UK:

https://www.theguardian.com/society...-60-of-britons-believe-in-conspiracy-theories
They completely believe that we had no say at all in the EU and it's solely down to Merkel and Macron.

That's why they're stung when we pay in what we pay because they think we don't contribute despite writing most of the common law.
 

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There is such a thing as controlled immigration. Australia has pretty much a perfect system. If someone is highly skilled or the country needs people for certain industries they will be welcome with open arms.
:lol: We put genuine refugees in third world gulags for indefinite periods. We propose cutting migration when we need to increase it and we have a massive shortage of workers to do jobs at the more menial end of the spectrum due to our immigration policy. Perfect my arse.

But for some reason if you’re anti-immigration you must be xenophobic or racist. I’m not against immigration I just think an open door policy is a bit stupid, especially when it’s biased towards members of the EU whilst people from countries outside of the EU have to meet so many more criteria.
Yet migration from non-EU countries is 3 times that from EU countries and if we could be bothered to apply the rules we could make sure EU migrants go home when not employed. So it sounds like you are buying in to what is in fact xenophobic propaganda.
 

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What is it about Corbyn that scares you that much?

I must admit I find him quite frustrating at times, but when I looked at his policies at he last general they all seem rather sensible, and I could not say with any confidence he'd be better or worse than having May/Tories at the helm. Certainly there is nothing I've seen that suggests having him as PM would be worse than a no deal Brexit, which will surely be catastrophic.
Nothing could be worse than the shower of shit presently in government.
 

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3% profit? Is this data reliable? its hard to believe
It's about right for Network Rail but they are a quasi governmental appointed entity that manage the rail infrastructure. The profiteers are in the rail operators but as Sun Tzu says, even they are regulated.

Network Rail do a solid job on a piss poor budget so their much needed upgrading of the Victorian Rail network is "getting there" but still at the sort of pace BR manage. Lest we forget, the precursor to Network Rail was the fully private Rail Track and I would have praised them for making similar much needed if slow progress on an impossible task with a ludicrously small budget yet they were allowed to go bankrupt as the government continued to stael back their budget with fines for delays that were beyond their control.

It doesn't matter if it's privatised, semi private or nationalised. When we refuse to spend the amount needed to even maintain the status quo on our dilapidated infrastructure how can we be surprised that the service gets progressively worse.
 

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May I just point out that blaming the EU for an influx of eastern Europeans is a bit rich coming from the country that lobbied hard to get eastern European countries into the EU...
 

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May I just point out that blaming the EU for an influx of eastern Europeans is a bit rich coming from the country that lobbied hard to get eastern European countries into the EU...
Indeed...and was the only country (apart from Ireland) to allow full unlimited freedom of movement to citizens of those countries from the date of their accession.
 

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Indeed...and was the only country (apart from Ireland) to allow full unlimited freedom of movement to citizens of those countries from the date of their accession.
And in Ireland we're generally much more approving of immigration from those countries than the UK.

I find it funny that arguably the most backward country in Europe of past times now seems to be much less backward than one of the supposed most progressive countries on earth.
 

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May I just point out that blaming the EU for an influx of eastern Europeans is a bit rich coming from the country that lobbied hard to get eastern European countries into the EU...
A lot about brexit defies reason. We complain about rules we played a huge part in writing.
The single market was the brain child of a politician the Tories worship ffs!
 

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Study shows 60% of Britons believe in conspiracy theories

Leavers more likely to doubt immigration figures and think there is a plot to make Muslims the majority in UK:

https://www.theguardian.com/society...-60-of-britons-believe-in-conspiracy-theories
The most widespread conspiracy belief in the UK, shared by 44% of people, was that “even though we live in what’s called a democracy, a few people will always run things in this country anyway”.
Er....I mean their not really that wrong on this one. Change the whole lizard vibe into ''“even though we live in what’s called a democracy, a class will always run things in this country anyway” and it's class politics.
 

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Feck sake :lol: This lad

https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/1123/1012809-brexit-draft-agreement-spain-summit/
Britain’s former Brexit secretary Dominic Raab has said Prime Minister Theresa May's EU withdrawal proposals are worse than staying in the EU.

Asked if the Mrs May’s deal was worse than remaining in the bloc, Mr Raab told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "I'm not going to advocate staying in the EU.

"But, if you just presented me terms, this deal or EU membership, because we would effectively be bound by the same rules but without the control or voice over them, yes, I think this would be even worse than that."
 

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In the 70s, when France had TGV and Japan the Bullet Train, we were just about weaned off Steam.
In the 70’s I went to watch Man Utd all over the Midlands. I’d get an away day ticket that would let me on both buses and trains anywhere in the Midlands. It was cheap easy and the trains and buses were far more frequent.
Two months after they were sold my bus fair to work went up from 10p to 50p over night. It’s gone up steadily ever since. Half the buses that use to run have been cancelled and it cost you a fortune to get on one the trains are far worse. You could get a train every 10 minutes between my town and Birmingham before privatisation. If they cancel a train now your only option is the bus because the trains only run every 40 minutes.
They say that they want people to use public transport but it’s so shoddy and expensive that you have no choice but to drive.
 

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