Turkeys and Christmas comes to mind. But that would be an insult to poultry.
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And austerity still wouldn't have led to hospitals going into special measures because children both unborn and new born are dying in their maternity wards due to underfunding.
With Gordon Brown as PM. Would've lasted about a month before it fell apart with the Tories getting a majority in the ensuing election.
I'm not disagreeing with your assessment of the Tory government or of the Lib Dems complicity in that - I'm just pointing out that in 2010 there was no way for the Lib Dems to go into a coalition with Labour.
The local economy of Benidorm will crumble.
Indeed. I tend not to agree with the assessment that the Tories would've gotten an automatic majority had the Lib Dems been unable to come to an agreement with them, leading to another election, but if a Labour coalition like the one mentioned above had happened and collapsed the Tories would've certainly capitalised on the ensuing chaos afterwards.
Fair enough and I've had too many to go into the finer points of politics but the complicity of the Lib Dems still rankles with me.
Im not going to argue, what they did to students was political suicide.
Tbf, if you cast your mind back to how things were in the aftermath of that election, that really wasn’t an option.
That's been pointed out by people in previous posts. As I've said I've had a few but I will always be circumspect about voting for them now because my main goal when voting is to stop the Tories from destroying the NHS. I might have voted for them if they were in an area where it was them or the Tories but can I now trust them not to form a government with the Tories.
Yeah absolutely, won't argue with that.
Just saw this:
Meanwhile Leadsom is keen for the government to consider a “no deal plus” if parliament votes against the deal. Under that plan, the government would pay the EU £20bn – less than half the planned divorce payment – in exchange for a two-year transition period, during which the UK would prepare for operating on World Trade Organisation terms.
We've had Canada plus, sanity minus, now we have no deal plus.
These people are supposed to be running the country.
Meanwhile Leadsom is keen for the government to consider a “no deal plus” if parliament votes against the deal. Under that plan, the government would pay the EU £20bn – less than half the planned divorce payment – in exchange for a two-year transition period, during which the UK would prepare for operating on World Trade Organisation terms.
We've had Canada plus, sanity minus, now we have no deal plus.
These people are supposed to be running the country.
This I'm afraid is a fantasy.
What a socialist government or a better Britain with one?
Gordon Brown called for it but Clegg said that he would form a government with the Tories since they were the largest party.
I think it's more likely we see right wing policies.
That's how I remembered it.
My own memory is that Cameron offering a full-on coalition with Liberal cabinet members came as a huge surprise to everyone. If Clegg knew Brown was only discussing a 'pact', and a feeble one at that, then when Cameron let him know he was willing to offer a genuine coalition it was game over. Shame, though.
A Labour supporter just described Labour's position as 'constructive ambiguity'. Says it all. Although I'm sure it's nuanced. Very nuanced.
I mean Brexit itself is a right wing policy.
Tell that to Corbyn and McDonnell, they've been backing it for forty years.
Aye. Ultimately a no deal Brexit would be disastrous - and the only other alternative basically involves us retaining all our current arrangements with the EU, but just with no actual voice.
If you want to pursue left-wing policies then the best way to do that within the EU is to coalesce with other left-wing parties in EU member states and try to shift it in a more left-wing direction in general. Might not be easy, but the left-wing arguments against the EU tend not to work anymore because their entire philosophy is based on an outlook that's decades out-of-date.
So the big sales pitch for May's deal is the ending of freedom of movement. Brexit isn't about taking back control, since we are going to follow the rules anyway, it's not about sovereignty, we'll abandon that with every subsequent trade deal, it's not about fecking fish. There's no pretending anymore, this vote was a victory for racists
So, what's the holdup with Brexit? Second thoughts on leaving or more complicated than that?
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Sadly there is no hold up... Deal or no deal we leave on 29th march as it stands
EU will Probably pass the deal this weekend
UK parliment will vote on it around 10th December... Currently looks unlikely to pass
From there it's all guesswork
It was.
I think I'd describe it as obstructive cooperation. I find it comparable to some life experiences where I've been out voted on something known their alternative was a bad idea and then insisted its carried out through to disaster so i can say i told you so
Labours whole position til now has been irrelevant tbf, it's the direction they take in the coming weeks and months that count as now they can actually influence proceedings.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politic...s-way-over-gibraltar-after-spains-veto-threat
Taking back control now means potentially conceding sovereignty over British Overseas Territories.
Regardless of what you think about who should own Gibraltar, this is surely another wonderful example of how the EU will extract concession after concession from the UK for the price of Brexit.
Taking back control now means potentially conceding sovereignty over British Overseas Territories.
Regardless of what you think about who should own Gibraltar, this is surely another wonderful example of how the EU will extract concession after concession from the UK for the price of Brexit.
Gibraltar voted remain and may get their wish after all, but not the way they wanted it.
Swapsies with catalonia
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46330380
So it looks like the EU will approve May's deal then, but not sure what good that will do given it will be shot down in parliament.
So it looks like the EU will approve May's deal then, but not sure what good that will do given it will be shot down in parliament.
The version that I have read is that during the negotiation it has been clearly established that Gibraltar's relations with the EU would depend on a negotiation with Spain.
However, that part of the draft, had disappeared, apparently by order of May, which was considered a malicious move.
Sánchez says he has secured a written guarantee. The "right wing" press is not so sure.
The negotiations in any case will not talk about co-sovereignty (although the demand will always be there).
From what I have read it would be based on three questions:
- price of tobacco to stop smuggling
-Management of waste to the bay
-Taxation of Gibraltarians living in Spain
However, that part of the draft, had disappeared, apparently by order of May, which was considered a malicious move.
Sánchez says he has secured a written guarantee. The "right wing" press is not so sure.
The negotiations in any case will not talk about co-sovereignty (although the demand will always be there).
From what I have read it would be based on three questions:
- price of tobacco to stop smuggling
-Management of waste to the bay
-Taxation of Gibraltarians living in Spain
No thanks, you betrayed us before. Funnily breaking an alliance that ended the spanish civil war in 1714 and with the Utrecht treaty in 1713 that got you Gibraltar and Spain fuecking over Catalonia forever. So, no trusty trusty brittish
And frankly, Spanish governments are so incompetent that at least our culture survived till the XXI century in decent shape, not like scottish, welsh and irish.
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Can't believe we have gone from 'zero negotiation' policy with the Falklands to bowing to fecking Spain over Gibraltar. May has a fraction of Thatcher's balls.
It is British land. No negotiation, unless you want to go through the British armed forces first. This meek surrender is a betrayal which should not be tolerated.
It is British land. No negotiation, unless you want to go through the British armed forces first. This meek surrender is a betrayal which should not be tolerated.
hell yeah, what kind of wimp ass government negotiates in a negotiation
The only thing May wants from this whole shambles is an end to freedom of movement.
She’s always been xenophobic and is using Brexit to get her way.
She’s always been xenophobic and is using Brexit to get her way.