True, but she did at least manage to scrape together a majority.
That said, there's little positive that can be said about campaign. Pretty much every she/her team made was a total disaster.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
That said, there's little positive that can be said about campaign. Pretty much every she/her team made was a total disaster.
May came to get clarification, and has said, "they are willing to clarify". 
She sounds absolutely fried.
has she mentioned that she is just getting on with the job
Brexit means Brexit.
Clearest clarification to provide clarity
Even now she's trying to pretend she got something
Just gerron with it!!!!!!!!!!!
She'd be a terrible poker player, she doesn't need to say anything, just look at her face.
Her main problem now is that she thinks that a minor tweak on the wording is going to solve the problems in parliament.
They are going to vote any deal down.
Her best bet is what she's doing and that is to delay the vote as long as possible.
Her main problem now is that she thinks that a minor tweak on the wording is going to solve the problems in parliament.
They are going to vote any deal down.
Her best bet is what she's doing and that is to delay the vote as long as possible.
Cameroon did the same
From Peston, ouch
in fairness shes actually right - I dont think anybody can pick a deal that would get a majority in parliament
but yeah cant blame the Eu for not wanting to negotiate on that basis
She should know what she's there to get at least. If i went in front of our board of directors with so little knowledge of what i need to solve a project I'd be sacked for incompetence.
As i said yesterday she was only there to try and spin a lie there was never any goal beyond that.
I am still amazed that she has not even tried to use the 39bn divorce settlement as a negotiation position.
If the EU are understandably playing hard ball then there is nothing wrong with her telling them that the British people do not believe that the deal is acceptable and certainly not worth 39bn of taxpayers money.
However, we will not walk away from our so called obligations but we will pay the 39bn over 39 years.
I am sure that this would get the backing of the Commons and the people.
Can't the UK government create and pass a Bill that, in the event of it being trapped in the backstop, after a certain time period of time, the UK would be prepared to act in defiance of the WA.
I think she has, no deal means no £39bn
I'm curious, what would actually happen if we straight up refused to pay the 39 billion? Just walked out and said no, you'll never get it.
They'd take the hit.
We might find out soon
There's a significant element of the EU that are in the 'we're not that bothered' camp. The UK are the opt-out kings of the block and have been a thorn in the side of their plans for decades.
The 39bn is partly what the UK owe and partly for the transition period payment.
The worst thing she could do would be to threaten this.
It's not a massive sum of money in the grand scheme of things even if it seems a lot to the average person. This is about trust and principle and to get a new relationship.
The agreement she has is basically what any PM would have come back with - everyone knew from the beginning that the EU would never budge on the 4 freedoms and will support Ireland all the way on the border.
There's no way anything she says will change this.
The problem has been that she and all the other politicians have lied before and since the referendum and have misled the electorate.
The ERG aren't worried about the 39bn - they want a clean break, Labour want the government to fall and will reject whatever was brought back. The 39bn is a red herring.
It's not a huge sum in the grand scheme of countries and their economies, but it isn't insignificant either. It's more than our entire yearly military budget for example.
Even better.
Just think what we could spend that massive sum of money on.
A really big bouncy castle.
Strong and Stable.
Yes but it's payable over years , not in one go. If the UK left without a deal it would reduce to about 24bn or so. And the UK would lose a hell of lot more than 39bn in future trade and goodwill notwithstanding the world watching on.
Agreed
Don't agree at all.
Firstly you say that 39bn is not a massive sum of money. Really. Ask the schools or NHS or Police or the electorate whether they agree. I think I know the answer.
Secondly. Why not threaten it. Remember. I did not say we should not pay it. I simple said that faced with an unacceptable withdrawal bill we should decide on the terms of the payment.
As I said the withdrawal agreement is not going to change so threatening is a bit of a waste of energy, it would just mean that the future relationship would be soured.
As I said it's over years that it is paid not in one go - The Uk are losing far more than £39bn by leaving the EU, the NHS Police and schools are short of money because of the Tory policies not because the UK are in the EU. When the Uk have left the government will have lost its scapegoat.
It's not all about money.
One customer we had was putting a lot of business our way. However, they turned out to be the most unholy pain in the arse. Literally on the phone every five minutes, generally about nothing or stuff that turned out to be their fault.
They then sent in a different package work for us to quote on which, in money terms at least would be more lucrative than the previous one.
We concluded that the aggro wasn't worth it. So we stuck in ridiculous prices and said if they want us to do it then that's what they would have to pay.
They found somebody else.
We were prepared to take the hit for the reduction in hassle.
The ERG headbangers that think walking away will have the EU running after us are deluded.
David Davis claiming on QT last night that WTO is jolly fine and dandy (notice he didn't mention that it flies in the face of the GFA), is either thick or has money staked on the outcome he is trying to force this country into.
This is as good as it gets and unless we are is prepared to put it back to the people, and accept whatever is decided (after having spent tens of millions cleaning up the UK streets and rebuilding damaged premises), then we should take what is on the table.
One customer we had was putting a lot of business our way. However, they turned out to be the most unholy pain in the arse. Literally on the phone every five minutes, generally about nothing or stuff that turned out to be their fault.
They then sent in a different package work for us to quote on which, in money terms at least would be more lucrative than the previous one.
We concluded that the aggro wasn't worth it. So we stuck in ridiculous prices and said if they want us to do it then that's what they would have to pay.
They found somebody else.
We were prepared to take the hit for the reduction in hassle.
The ERG headbangers that think walking away will have the EU running after us are deluded.
David Davis claiming on QT last night that WTO is jolly fine and dandy (notice he didn't mention that it flies in the face of the GFA), is either thick or has money staked on the outcome he is trying to force this country into.
This is as good as it gets and unless we are is prepared to put it back to the people, and accept whatever is decided (after having spent tens of millions cleaning up the UK streets and rebuilding damaged premises), then we should take what is on the table.
Will it though? It's not hard to imagine them switching their scapegoat from "the EU" to "the terrible deal the EU gave us".
well we will be spending 87bn on education next year
https://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_education_spending_20.html
Of the 39bn some of this extends out to 2064 though about half falls in 2019 and 2020
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/eu-divorce-bill
so lets say about 10bn in 2019
so around 11% of the education budget
or around 1% of total government spend
or if you like half a percent of our UK debt
So when you look at the bigger picture I think its fair to say its actually not a massive sum of money is it.
This isn't really true. The UK is utterly incompetent over Brexit but there's an element of self-flagellation in some remainers that is just as deluded.
Firstly, plenty of countries have opt-outs in the EU for all manor of things, this is not unique at all to Britain.
Secondly, it ignores the reason these opt out and special measures exists in the first place. Britain's rebate for example wasn't some Britain throwing a childish tantrum. Rather Britain already disproportionately contributed to the budget, and secondly the CAP, a huge use of funds, and a completely incompetent policy, was not much use to Britain with its small agricultural section, but countries like France who benefit massively blocked reform despite the issues being there for all to see.
Britain's rebate is in response to this.
Well yes, probably, it's always someone else's fault.
The pound's collapse against all major currencies since the Brexit vote has cost the country and its people way WAY more than the £39bn. I don't need to ask schools, police or the NHS anything about that either. I find it quite humorous when Brexiteers (don't mean you specifically) bring up the issue of EU payments in one sentence making a big deal of it. While in the next sentence they non-nonchalantly mention they'd be OK with the country taking a financial hit from loss of trade in the short/medium term, if it results in UK regaining full sovereignty. I mean do you care about money, or do you not?
A threat that you're not willing to follow through with, is an empty threat. And when following through could likely lead to a breakdown of bilateral trade relations and loss of trade for both, but primarily the UK, it's akin to cutting of your nose to spite your face.
It will somehow end up being the fault of the disabled, followed by a lot of shit about "helping people who need help".
Aren't those 39bn payments that the UK already commited to before Brexit happened? I don't know what legal steps the EU would have to go after that money, but at best the UK would be screaming to the whole world (especially the parts that they then desperately have to negotiate trade deals with) that they have no problem breaking their word or even contracts. Not to mention what could happen if one of the biggest trading blocs, that makes up all your neighbours gets vindictive.
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