Nothing was "wrong" with it but further integration was the logical next step in an increasingly global economy.
Frankly, the question itself is another great indicator of why the UK is simply not a good fit for the project.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Frankly, the question itself is another great indicator of why the UK is simply not a good fit for the project.
What is the meaning of that question?
There are many that were happy to join/remain in the Common Market. In 1975 the referendum delivered a resounding 67% majority for staying in.
At regular periods over the last 40 to 50 years Spain has for one reason of another closed or restricted passage over the border to Gibraltar... usually just to demonstrate they could! I was there in the mid 80's when one of these periods occurred but everyone seemed to get across the border relatively easily, it was only when the officials (from either side) showed up did it become 'congested', other wise the border patrols/guards seemed very relaxed and at that period there were more crossing than at the moment. Yes, it will be a problem but I would think much less of a problem than in Ireland?
We cannot go backward to the CM. The world and Europe has moved on and what was the 6 is now the 27.
However. It was the potential for further development of the EU possibly leading to further integration and the threat of a Federal Europe that caused concern in the UK.
You realize that in 1965 the EEC was merged with Euratom and the ECSC, that a single commission and councils were created. You joined something that was already defined the way it currently is, you joined communities.
That is the direction of travel and regardless of what some on here say about their particular county having sovereignty and the ability to run it's own affairs, eventually those countries will become like the states in the US. All will be secondary to Federal law. That's fine if you want that.
You are correct trade will continue and changes will be made by customers/suppliers to adapt to the new market conditions. You are also correct in citing the problems for the larger/multi-national companies, that the loss of frictionless trade will be the big problem and if companies do intend to relocate to get around it, then its possible some of that relocation could be from the EU to the UK, although I accept most will go the other way!
The fact is nobody knows, except for some immediate dislocations, just how things will work out in the longer term. Change is always frowned upon, worried about etc. even by those who may ultimately benefit from it. As with any period of rapid change, the fittest will survive the weak go to the wall. The fact that for many it will be seen to be self-induced is what makes it worse. The heart felt plea from many remain voters seems to be " my future is being decided for me, against my will, when do I get my say"? Which is probably precisely what Leavers were thinking in 2016?
The only way the EU will change course over Ireland, is if Ireland says so!
Whatever. It was perceived here as a trading arrangement and sold as one worth shafting the Aussies, Kiwis etc. for.
And that great icon of the left, Tony Benn warned against it, "once you are in for any length of time you will find it difficult if not impossible to get out" he said. Wonder if JC ponders on this these days?
From an Irish perspective we already are. America calls the shots, we do our best to work in the environment they've created. Us having any leeway on the matter is due entirely to being members of the EU and its existence. Your kind of in the same boat whether you realise it or not. You have more influence (or you had more influence) but you'll be dancing to americas tune the same as the rest of us.
I do want that eventually. Nation states are cancer.
Important qualifier though: there are many things that I don't want to import from the US.
He's right. Freedom of Movement was great in 1975 as well. I voted in that referendum, best thing the UK ever did in my lifetime.
That will only happen if we allow it to, and there will always be an exit route (even if it's hard). Besides, the issue of Federal Europe is not one that was at the forefront of anyone's mind in 2016 -- back then it was all about freedom of movement, the threat of Turkey joining the EU, etc. and is being used now as a convenient excuse to continue now the myths around immigration (and Turkey's entry) have been largely dispelled. It would be prudent for us to remain apart from this vision as long as possible, but removing ourselves entirely from the union would be an extreme reaction to one of many possible futures.
The bigger issue, and the one that nobody really talks about, is that Brexit ultimately came about because our poorest and most deprived areas have basically had enough. They've been told that after we leave the EU everything will be better for them because it's the EU that's oppressing them, and it's easier to look outward than look inward and accept that we just might have brought it on ourselves. We've seen a rise in homelessness, foodbank usage and poverty in general, yet we remain one of the biggest economies in the world. There's entirely no reason why that should be the case and no amount of tightening our border controls or relaxing standards will change it. We need widespread social, economic and political reform and none of those can happen while we're cleaning up the mess of exiting the EU. Life is only going to get harder for the poorest in our country, yet they're the ones who voted for it. They're the ones calling for us to crash out with no deal, because they're being sold a lie by people who won't suffer regardless of how it turns out.
It's not just the multi-nationals, it's a large part of the economy that depends on frictionless trade. Delays in Dover or other ports will affect everyone in the UK to some degree.
The cost and time not being in the SM/CU will also be a major factor.
Change is one thing but going back in time in a progressing world is not feasible.
Lads. Seriously like.
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Three amendments, one withdrawn and two defeated.
Another pointless day in the HoC.
And then we have:
Labour has more or less called for article 50 to be extended anyway - at PMQs last week, standing in for Jeremy Corbyn, the shadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberry said “the sensible, cautious thing to do at this late stage is to seek a temporary extension of article 50 so that we have time to see whether the negotiations succeed”
Which negotiations would they be then?
Back on planet Earth.....
Another pointless day in the HoC.
And then we have:
Labour has more or less called for article 50 to be extended anyway - at PMQs last week, standing in for Jeremy Corbyn, the shadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberry said “the sensible, cautious thing to do at this late stage is to seek a temporary extension of article 50 so that we have time to see whether the negotiations succeed”
Which negotiations would they be then?
Back on planet Earth.....
How can you say whatever. You joined an institution created for political reasons, almost 20 years after its creation, and for some reason you criticize its purpose and its political nature, it's like entering a chocolate store and complain about the fact that they sell chocolate.
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Find it hard to believe they have anything substantial and would risk being beaten to the punch.
I found the motion from May weird, as it wouldn't have changed anything even if it had been passed, unless I'm missing something.
It's a pity Ken Clarke's amendment wasn't chosen, I thought he spoke well today. The only way parliament can find a majority is to limit the choices, a single transferable vote would do that. The same could be put to a second referendum if preferred.
It's a pity Ken Clarke's amendment wasn't chosen, I thought he spoke well today. The only way parliament can find a majority is to limit the choices, a single transferable vote would do that. The same could be put to a second referendum if preferred.
It's weird that people still think no deal is unlikely.
Heading off a cliff looking more likely.
Lots of speculation on twitter that Chuka Umunna set to resign the Labour whip tonight.
I thought no deal was a near certainty for a long time, nothing happening to change that view.
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The closer the 29th of March the least likely no deal to happen. There is no preparation of the UK for no deal. They will not have any other choice than May's deal or pull out
Rumours going around Chuka is resigning from Labour at 8pm and with the intention of starting a new centrist party.
Seems very weird phrasing for this not to be a Tory party related story though.
And now we have the opportunity to take back control and become self-shafting.
Is Jim Davidson now in charge of the Home Office?
Twats.
It's 2013 to be fair ... But that's when Theresa May was in charge, and it's reanimated on Twitter today because people can't believe they thought that tweet was a good idea and still haven't deleted it. There was a whole series of equally fecking repugnant tweets.
Centrist? Probably another way of saying Tory-Lite.
He's The Blue Obama, don'tchaknow...
I found this photo from the FPCU during the run up to the 1975 vote. They are now essentially the (or one of the) main driving driving force behind the DUP.
Looks like Arsenal missed out on 4th that year.
Mourinho says that coming second with that Rome squad is his greatest managerial achievement.