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His words are being deliberately misinterpreted.He absolutely did not rule it out, what a shit headline.
His words are being deliberately misinterpreted.He absolutely did not rule it out, what a shit headline.
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There seems to be too many vested interests on all sides to predict the result.so May got 286 votes on MV3
Pretty long odds that Boris can actually get a deal through
But can he even get to Mays 286?
Hes only got 288 conservative MP's in total - and the DUP seemed to think if they voted against the deal around 20 of the ERG would back them... im not certain about that but if they do then I think he will do worse than May on MV3...
I dont see many Labour MP's breaking ranks as it does not look like it would achieve anything
He's got a couple of days to raid the coffers for the DUP. Soften the blow like.so May got 286 votes on MV3
Pretty long odds that Boris can actually get a deal through
But can he even get to Mays 286?
Hes only got 288 conservative MP's in total - and the DUP seemed to think if they voted against the deal around 20 of the ERG would back them... im not certain about that but if they do then I think he will do worse than May on MV3...
I dont see many Labour MP's breaking ranks as it does not look like it would achieve anything
You've been....Mini Caption Contest: Boris Sings The Blues
Given the amount of meetings they have had over the past few days i would have thought hes thrown billions at it allreadyHe's got a couple of days to raid the coffers for the DUP. Soften the blow like.
Wouldnt surprise me if a few billion goes the DUPs way to sweeten the deal if they vote in favour. Plus the 19 or so Labour MPs have have apparently signed a letter saying they're willing to support a deal too.If it was going to pass it would need to be something like this:
Tories 288
DUP 10
Independents (Clarke et al) maybe 12
Labour rebels - 12
There could be more possibles among the labour rebels and Independents but without the DUP he is struggling.
Ed Sheeran has a meth addiction I seeMini Caption Contest: Boris Sings The Blues
Thuggocracy would be a great name for a gangsta rap album
The sooner this twat gets brushed out of politics the better
Thats pretty logical
He probably should have held off on calling it the surrender act if he thought he would end up sticking up for it.Thats pretty logical
He probably wants the benn act more than anybody... he knows the brexit party (and him) only have a political future under 2 circumstances:
Anything else and he and brexit party are pretty much finished
- A general election where there has not been an exit from the EU
- A general election after a referendm where the UK decides to stay
he does not care about getting no deal - he cares about establishing a (far) right wing party in the UK with himself as the figurehead
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His nightmare could come true - he becomes irrelevant, loses his MEP job, Brexit Party obsolete and a cherry on the cake - the pound doesn't crash if there is a deal so he doesn't make his money shorting the pound.
that indicates they would have the labour leadership onside?
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The deal won't pass, and there'll be an extension.There is a deal, probably nobody is really happy with it... so its probably right!
Junker and Boris have (perhaps by the law of unintended consequences) joined forces to put the opposition in the UK on the backfoot, if they throw it out, no extension, so straight to no deal. Both can stand tall, its not their fault, Junker can retire without ignominy, Boris can face the Leavers with "I told you I'd do it, not my fault the opposition have rejected it"
Of course its not over yet, the fat lady hasn't sung and in particular what will the opposition do? Vote it down, or more than likely try to add the amendment for a second referendum. Assuming that does go through and the deal + amendment is passed by Parliament. The question then becomes... what about the referendum v GE?
If its the referendum that comes first will the opposition seriously ask everyone to go through such a traumatic event again (risking another close result, or even a third referendum) and turn down the deal, when in fact the deal is already passed, or will they call for Article 50 to be revoked, which presumably once the EU and HM Government has ratified the deal, then article 50 will by then, not be 'in play'.
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Does anyone know the answer to any of these questions, that they would care to share?
Not so sure about that! Jeremy has to go away and do a lot of thinking now.that indicates they would have the labour leadership onside?
probably - what happens after that is the real questionThe deal won't pass, and there'll be an extension.
thats not actually what he said though is it?Not so sure about that! Jeremy has to go away and do a lot of thinking now.
Junkers statement about no extension (probably backed by Macron) now a deals on the table, throws a spanner in the works. Jeremy cannot risk; a) the deal going through on its own, b) the deal going through with an amendment for a second referendum only; and of course a 'no deal'. Some how Labour have to come up with an amendment that includes for a GE prior to a second referendum and he has to watch out for the Labour MP's who once this is settled know they are going to be deselected, they are in effect fire proof with nothing to lose!
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its a strange world when I find myself passionately agreeing with Nigel Farage. It has all gone nuts.
If labour win an outright majority they are then going to go and request another extension t renegotiate the deal (added unicorns) and put it to a referendumSo, the order of events is going to be
1) Deal doesnt pass
2) VoNC
3)Extension
4) GE.
My question is even if Labor/ Conservatives win with a majority in the GE, which I doubt would be the case, what is going to be different in terms of the deal with EU?. Is there going to be a different deal at this table or will the next government push through the same Irish sea border deal/No deal with the majority they have.
Is there any option, EU will be offering up a different deal that hasn't been discussed over the last three years?. Even after the change of PM's , there are only three concrete choices, Revoke, May/Boris's deal/No deal and I donot see it changing no matter who is in power. Am I missing something?
I voted remain.There is a deal, probably nobody is really happy with it... so its probably right!
Junker and Boris have (perhaps by the law of unintended consequences) joined forces to put the opposition in the UK on the backfoot, if they throw it out, no extension, so straight to no deal. Both can stand tall, its not their fault, Junker can retire without ignominy, Boris can face the Leavers with "I told you I'd do it, not my fault the opposition have rejected it"
Of course its not over yet, the fat lady hasn't sung and in particular what will the opposition do? Vote it down, or more than likely try to add the amendment for a second referendum. Assuming that does go through and the deal + amendment is passed by Parliament. The question then becomes... what about the referendum v GE?
If its the referendum that comes first will the opposition seriously ask everyone to go through such a traumatic event again (risking another close result, or even a third referendum) and turn down the deal, when in fact the deal is already passed, or will they call for Article 50 to be revoked, which presumably once the EU and HM Government has ratified the deal, then article 50 will by then, not be 'in play'.
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Does anyone know the answer to any of these questions, that they would care to share?
Have you actually read what he's claimed? He's trying to argue that Juncker is 'overriding' the Benn act which is literally impossible.its a strange world when I find myself passionately agreeing with Nigel Farage. It has all gone nuts.
There won't be another significantly new withdrawal agreement at a stretch Labour may get some amendments to realign standards so a mixture of Boris and Mays deal perhaps.So, the order of events is going to be
1) Deal doesnt pass
2) VoNC
3)Extension
4) GE.
My question is even if Labor/ Conservatives win with a majority in the GE, which I doubt would be the case, what is going to be different in terms of the deal with EU?. Is there going to be a different deal at this table or will the next government push through the same Irish sea border deal/No deal with the majority they have.
Is there any option, EU will be offering up a different deal that hasn't been discussed over the last three years?. Even after the change of PM's , there are only three concrete choices, Revoke, May/Boris's deal,No deal and I donot see it changing no matter who is in power. Am I missing something?
Lets say Johnson loses the vote on Saturday, and the day ends up as VONC followed by formation of GNU.Big risk not to go for it now
Very possible Saturday ends with a Johnson defeat and a confidence motion early next week
Even assuming a leader for a temporary gnu to get the extension and call an immediate election can be found there is a decent chance that the conservatives + brexit get a majority.
This could literally be the last amendable motion there is so yeah it would be a brave call to pass it up hoping a better chance comes along
He's also making as sure as he possibly can that Benn act is retained. Its fine margins for remoaners like me .. I'll take any unintended advantage right nowHave you actually read what he's claimed? He's trying to argue that Juncker is 'overriding' the Benn act which is literally impossible.