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I'd love to see JRM go to sit down and have his chair pulled away.
I'd love to see JRM go to sit down and have his chair pulled away.
To be fair, all racists and all xenophobes who voted in 2016 will certainly have voted Leave, but it does not logically follow that all Leave voters are therefore racist or xenophobic.But @Volumiza said Leave voters aren't racists or xenophobes and that's just a lazy argument. Am confused.
I agree a minority from 2016 were duped.To be fair, all racists and all xenophobes who voted in 2016 will certainly have voted Leave, but it does not logically follow that all Leave voters are racist or xenophobic.
Maybe he means the tv show - The Brittas Empire?I would love to say the reaction of those billions of people when they are told that they have their fun but that The british empire is back.
I remember going into my local one day and the BNP using the backroom and was astonished to see a black man sat with them. My point? Just because everyone in the room doesn't hate blacks doesn't mean it's not a racist group, you're the company you keep and at least 90% of leavers are xenophobes with the rest willing partners in crime.To be fair, all racists and all xenophobes who voted in 2016 will certainly have voted Leave, but it does not logically follow that all Leave voters are therefore racist or xenophobic.
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I said to call ALL leave voters racist or xenophobes is lazy and I stand by it.But @Volumiza said Leave voters aren't wannabe imperialists, racists or xenophobes and that's just a lazy argument. Am confused.
Don't be stupid.I agree some (a minority) from 2016 were duped.
But now and in any future referendum, until they can articulate the benefits of BJ's deal, yes they are.
Shame the thread has descended into made up assumptions..I remember going into my local one day and the BNP using the backroom and was astonished to see a black man sat with them. My point? Just because everyone in the room doesn't hate blacks doesn't mean it's not a racist group, you're the company you keep and at least 90% of leavers are xenophobes with the rest willing partners in crime.
feck em
I said to call ALL leave voters racist or xenophobes is lazy and I stand by it.
I'd like to know the benefits, beyond satisfying xenophobic urges. I've been asking for several days but am yet to see any. Please do list if you know.Don't be stupid.
If it was fact it wouldn't be an assumption but let's start with the readership of the most xenophobic papers, that's about 4-5 million. The Daily Mail online has about 10 million daily UK readers by itself, not going to tell me it's a made up assumption that they're mostly xenophobes are you?Don't be stupid.
Shame the thread has descended into made up assumptions..
Doh.Mr Kipling said:We already know the economic assessment of Brexit @SteveJ - cloudy with a chance of fecked.
My usual response is: if Brexit wasn't the work of the establishment party, there'd be serious talk of arrests for treason.@SteveJ it's staggering isn't it.
So someone like Corbyn is a massive xenophobe just cos he is pro-Brexit?I'd like to know the benefits, beyond satisfying xenophobic urges. I've been asking for several days but am yet to see any. Please do list if you know.
That's an intriguing TV show, I will check it.Maybe he means the tv show - The Brittas Empire?
Erm 'was' ... his stated party policy is now for a 2nd referendum.So someone like Corbyn is a massive xenophobe just cos he is pro-Brexit?
Of course the DM has a large portion of bigots among its readers, but reading its comment section has also become a national pastime.If it was fact it wouldn't be an assumption but let's start with the readership of the most xenophobic papers, that's about 4-5 million. The Daily Mail online has about 10 million daily UK readers by itself, not going to tell me it's a made up assumption that they're mostly xenophobes are you?
A health professional I see regularly tells me not to get stressed or het up about things I can't control. It's very difficult when you're watching the daylight robbery of a nation in slow motion.Doh.
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My usual response is: if Brexit wasn't the work of the establishment party, there'd be serious talk of arrests for treason.
From the start up to the present time, they've tried to steamroller Brexit past the public and Parliament, mate. They've force-fed us with Brexit for years, until the natural reaction is 'We don't care what happens - we're bored, so just get it over with'. From the beginning, when you consider the histories of its loudest advocates, it should've been obvious to everybody what's going on, and what has inspired this approach.A health professional I see regularly tells me not to get stressed or het up about things I can't control. It's very difficult when you're watching the daylight robbery of a nation in slow motion.
This is just silly. The deification of the EU since 2016 by some in response to the equally ludicrous and over-the-top demonisation of it by rabid Brexiteers is very frustrating. Believe it or not, there are plenty of legitimate grievances that a rational person can have with the EU. And on that basis they may choose to not want to be a part of it. And that reasoning can be made devoid of any hint of xenophobia or racism. I voted to Remain and I would again but my views are ambivalent towards the EU. The idea that the only basis on which I could change my mind are xenophobia/racism is bizarre.I agree a minority from 2016 were duped.
But now and in any future referendum, until they can articulate the benefits of BJ's deal, yes they are.
But you don't decapitate yourself because you have a spot on your cheek.This is just silly. The deification of the EU since 2016 by some in response to the equally ludicrous and over-the-top demonisation of it by rabid Brexiteers is very frustrating. Believe it or not, there are plenty of legitimate grievances that a rational person can have with the EU. And on that basis they may choose to not want to be a part of it. And that reasoning can be made devoid of any hint of xenophobia or racism. I voted to Remain and I would again but my views are ambivalent towards the EU. The idea that the only basis on which I could change my mind are xenophobia/racism is bizarre.
Unfortunately there isn't a national database on who the xenophobes are so the most likely is a reasonable position. The idea that we dont have at least 10 million xenophobes in this country is the odd position in my view.Of course the DM has a large portion of bigots among its readers, but reading its comment section has also become a national pastime.
I genuinely don't understand the support for Johnson's bill either but's pointless guessing what percentage of leave voters are bigots. Damn people on facts, not assumptions.
That’s not completely accurate, most of us included ‘stupid’ or ‘ignorant’ as additional options.This is just silly. The deification of the EU since 2016 by some in response to the equally ludicrous and over-the-top demonisation of it by rabid Brexiteers is very frustrating. Believe it or not, there are plenty of legitimate grievances that a rational person can have with the EU. And on that basis they may choose to not want to be a part of it. And that reasoning can be made devoid of any hint of xenophobia or racism. I voted to Remain and I would again but my views are ambivalent towards the EU. The idea that the only basis on which I could change my mind are xenophobia/racism is bizarre.
You're talking about 30 million xenophobes though. And by your logic then is Rees-Mogg a Corbyn enabler or vice versa?Unfortunately there isn't a national database on who the xenophobes are so the most likely is a reasonable position. The idea that we dont have at least 10 million xenophobes in this country is the odd position in my view.
But that wasn't really my point, leave voters whatever the reason have thrown their hat into the same cause so they're associated. Rudd may not be part of the ERG but through her own stupidity she's enabling them and therefore deserves equal criticism. Same principle applies to whoever voted leave.
No, but you could overreact to the spot and try and treat it in a way that does more harm than good. It doesn’t mean that others should then have to start bemoaning how beautiful and perfect your face was prior to that, and denying that the spot even existed.But you don't decapitate yourself because you have a spot on your cheek.
The EU has many flaws. You can prefer to not be a part of it without being stupid/ignorant/xenophobic/racist. This haughty attitude does no one any favours.That’s not completely accurate, most of us included ‘stupid’ or ‘ignorant’ as additional options.
The issue with the whole everyone who voted Leave is racist/xenophobe is that it give the idea that Remain is somehow anti racist. Which is just bizarre. Voting to Remain is voting for a giant political body that is more than happy to let brown children drown in the sea and will try its best to crush nations trying for something different. Its quite clearly a racist and bigoted political union but............the British state is no better and most cases is actually worse.Everyone’s a racist baby
I’m past caring to be honest. You can have as many negative feelings about the EU as you like, but every Brexit deal leads to a worse outcome for Britain economically, educationally and socially. If people understand that and still want it then they’re fecking idiots.The EU has many flaws. You can prefer to not be a part of it without being stupid/ignorant/xenophobic/racist. This haughty attitude does no one any favours.
30? Only 17 million voted leave, is it that ridiculous to say only 2 or 3 million of those were leavers that didn't just vote on xenophobia? Especially given the lack of political engagement in this country.You're talking about 30 million xenophobes though. And by your logic then is Rees-Mogg a Corbyn enabler or vice versa?
You're trying to paint it as leave v remain as nasty thick racists vs friendly, educated liberals, which is obviously simplistic and not constructive.
Billions of people in the empire?
of course there will always be a minority of exceptions (perhaps also take out thick and educated), but yeah, IMO, that's basically it.You're trying to paint it as leave v remain as nasty thick racists vs friendly, educated liberals, which is obviously simplistic and not constructive.
And brexit is ludicrously overreacting.No, but you could overreact to the spot and try and treat it in a way that does more harm than good. It doesn’t mean that others should then have to start bemoaning how beautiful and perfect your face was prior to that, and denying that the spot even existed.
Anything is possible.The EU has many flaws. You can prefer to not be a part of it without being stupid/ignorant/xenophobic/racist.
1)No one is happy about that. It's happening and maybe more should be done (although that itself would exacerbate the problem), but saying people are happy about it is disgusting. You aren't helping anyone, are you?The issue with the whole everyone who voted Leave is racist/xenophobe is that it give the idea that Remain is somehow anti racist. Which is just bizarre. Voting to Remain is voting for a giant political body that is more than happy to let brown children drown in the sea and will try its best to crush nations trying for something different. Its quite clearly a racist and bigoted political union but............the British state is no better and most cases is actually worse.
But hey we live in incredibly stupid times. Why talk about radically changing these systems(Or getting rid of them with something new), when we can instead argue and defend empty cultural signifiers. - Insert million hash tags here -
I think the second reading will pass, as will the timetable.Tomorrow seems to be a another 'momentous' day:
How do our resident Brexit pundits think this will play out tomorrow and rest of the week?
In all seriousness, that's a good description of national socialism, I know Hilter shafted the unions by giving them their mayday holiday then disbanding them (just as Johnson will shaft the working class voters with workers' rights) but Hitler courted their support for years and national socialism was, in the beginning, aimed at the working classes to steer them away from communism and internationialism.Misplaced nationalisn, nostalgia fir a mythical past with many adding in mild to extreme xenoohobia and outright racism are big factors but as @Jippy said there are other motivations (union backed protectionism for example).
Corbyn's view of this country is as much, if not more, in line with National Socialism. Taking over business, forcibly if necessary, big government and control over people's lives. Don't forget, it's actually called Socialism.In all seriousness, that's a good description of national socialism, I know Hilter shafted the unions by giving them their mayday holiday then disbanding them (just as Johnson will shaft the working class voters with workers' rights) but Hitler courted their support for years and national socialism was, in the beginning, aimed at the working classes to steer them away from communism and internationialism.
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To be fair to finneh, the EU acknowledges the CAP has some significant negative environmental and social impacts in developing countries and is looking at ways to mitigate them. Here’s an EU Parliament report on the issues involved: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2018/603862/EXPO_STU(2018)603862_EN.pdffor feck sake man, all you can find me is an article from a pro-leave website?
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This is why giving MPs overnight to read a 200 odd page document is absurd. Hopefully an amendment is placed to extend the timetable for scrutinizing this legislation because there's no reason it has to be rushed through like this.
I think I'm leaning towards favouring deselection for any Labour MP who supports Boris here.