The KDB comparisons were happening in full flow till last year. XG and all to prove it as well.
Bruno is no doubt talented but such a niche and flawed player
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Bruno is no doubt talented but such a niche and flawed player
Both, the criticism and the praise is/was over the top.
He is a good player who still has a lot to learn.
Like everyone else he has also been suffering from a dysfunctional team, he is nowhere as bad as the last season may suggest.
At the same time even when he was (very) good for us he wasn’t even close to being anything like Keane, Cantona, prime Rooney or United Ronaldo 2006-09. This praise was always ridiculous and way over the top.
He is a good player who still has a lot to learn.
Like everyone else he has also been suffering from a dysfunctional team, he is nowhere as bad as the last season may suggest.
At the same time even when he was (very) good for us he wasn’t even close to being anything like Keane, Cantona, prime Rooney or United Ronaldo 2006-09. This praise was always ridiculous and way over the top.
This, alot of fuss about his current form but given a bit of rest and a new tactical direction he will be fine.
Have a feeling ten Hag will start Bruno out wide next season. I just think with Van de Beek coming back, the strong Eriksen links and the fact that Rangnick played him there in a couple games on the back end of last season (was he told to do that?) suggests it could be his new role - kind of similar to how ten Hag used Tadic out wide - as a wide playmaker, if you like.
I think because he's so erratic, having him as the focal point in a possession based team wouldn't work.
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Bruno Eriksen Sancho
De Jong Fred
The addition of Eriksen and De Jong, who ten Hag has urged United to sign, would really transform our midfield.
I think because he's so erratic, having him as the focal point in a possession based team wouldn't work.
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The addition of Eriksen and De Jong, who ten Hag has urged United to sign, would really transform our midfield.
Quite possibly. It seems he likes having an inverted winger on the left cutting in, and then a skillful "proper wideman" on the right like Antony.
It certainly seems to be an instant visual improvement on what we have been used to last season. If we don't get Eriksen, I'd be equally happy having VDB in that Eriksen role. He thrived under Ten Hagg once, if anyone can get the best out of him again, it's Erik.
It certainly seems to be an instant visual improvement on what we have been used to last season. If we don't get Eriksen, I'd be equally happy having VDB in that Eriksen role. He thrived under Ten Hagg once, if anyone can get the best out of him again, it's Erik.
Sancho is our best left winger, Bruno doesn't have the pace or skillset to play as inverted winger. Can see him thriving as RW, like a playmaker, the role Eriksen played under Poch.
Hopefully we bench the players instead of putting them all on the pitch, we need options from bench too and from next season there are 5 subs to use.
What is it with people thinking Ten Hag reinvented Tadic as a wide playmaker. He had played plenty of games there for Southampton and PSV too I believe. Tadic has the skillset to play out wide because he can dribble and cross.
Bruno cannot dribble and isn't particularly the fastest so doesn't really have the tools to play out wide. Maybe in a wingback formation with aggressive runners going beyond him but we don't have that. Ten Hag might try it but I doubt it'll be effective.
Bruno cannot dribble and isn't particularly the fastest so doesn't really have the tools to play out wide. Maybe in a wingback formation with aggressive runners going beyond him but we don't have that. Ten Hag might try it but I doubt it'll be effective.
Agree. The other one is people thinking he’s going to play false 9 when he is nowhere near technically secure enough to play such a role.
At first I thought Bruno out wide made sense.
But looking at Ajax's stats, Berghuis has the 8th most touches on the team and Klaasen barely ever touches it, so Bruno could be the 10 here but be in the group who touches it the least along with Cristiano, the goalkeeper and Sancho. Though we probably won't play similarly to this past year's Ajax team since we don't have small, passing defenders. But Van De Beek also seemed to have the least touches of almost anyone in the CL run in 2018. So maybe the #10 just doesn't get a ton of the ball.
I can see that system, and a calm playmaker like De Jong behind him doing the world of good for Bruno.
Having him get possession as far up the pitch as possible where his gambling with the ball is going to do the most damage if it comes off would be so much better than what he's been doing this season. He's just been getting sick of the sight of Fred and McT doing nothing with it and coming back towards halfway to do everything himself, where he often does more harm than good.
I can’t see how Bruno starts wide in a squad with Rashford, Sancho and Antony.
I don't think it would be the case. The most probable formation will be 4-2-1-3 and Bruno is going to be play in on the "1" role, ahead of the double-pivot and behind the front three. Unless we sign someone like Eriksen and he would need to fight for his place.
No change then, that would be his normal role. The wide thing doesn’t suit him at all. It seems this whole thing is based upon the premise that Tadic isn’t rapid.
I doubt Ten Hag would play Bruno as a winger in the Premier League. He probably could do it at Ajax though. Wide players in that system need to have energy for the pressing and can't lose the ball. Can't give up possession trying to score worldies, unless its a superb talent like Robben.
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what’s that about?
Hilarious
was praying so hard this guy gets benched or sold I had tears coming down my face
Ziyech gave the ball away plenty so no. You can get away with losing the ball out wide more often than centrally. This is football 101.
I'm talking about tactics in the context of the Premier League, not about Ziyech.
This is what i said: I doubt Ten Hag would play Bruno as a winger in the Premier League. He probably could do it at Ajax though.
My entire post was explaining why Ten Hag can't replicate the same approuch in the Premier League. So i'm not going to address the imaginary text you'e quoting.
He’s a weird Cnut
It's to Fred and Telles and they're joking around.what’s that about?
Mate stop pretending you're two sentence post was a master thesis. Your reasoning for why Bruno wouldn't play out wide under ETH is flawed.
Your second sentence explaining the requirements of ETH "system" is dead wrong. His best ever winger pissed the ball away plenty and it's fairly basic stuff that taking risks out wide is less likely to backfire than doing it centrally.
You two are something else.
You probably right about the requirements for a winger on ETH system at Ajax. Its irrelevant. In the Premier League he will need to use Bernardo Silva, Salah, Mahrez type of players there or its not gonna work. Bruno playing wide would lose the ball with our CBs in the midfield and our midfielders running to attack. And this is the entire point: how can we play like Ajax, with the set of players we have in the context of the Premier League? I'm not claiming be a specialist on ETH. I watched Ajax on the Champions League and thinking how it would work in the EPL.
The standards we need have in mind is not the Eredivisie, its Man City. Of course you tend to lose the ball more at wide positions, this isn't a controversy. I'm not defending playing Bruno centraly either. But i doubt ETH will bench him from the beginning. At least playing centraly he would lose the ball close to the adversary box with two of our midfielders behind or close to him most of the time.
The clip has been taken out of context.
Bruno's two good mates in the United team are Fred and Telles. Bruno bantering with them is nothing newsworthy.
Finally, I dont get the hate from our fan base on him, so many people want him replaced.
Bruno's two good mates in the United team are Fred and Telles. Bruno bantering with them is nothing newsworthy.
Finally, I dont get the hate from our fan base on him, so many people want him replaced.
Honestly after the shit show of last season i can see why people would want players replaced and that's not exclusive to Bruno but from certain people hmm, @Jeppers7 Bruno could literally single handed win us the treble and it wouldn't be good enough or Pogba would have done it better.
Also what a weird twitter account 
It's actually dedicated to everything Luke Shaw..... Who the feck follows that?
It's actually dedicated to everything Luke Shaw..... Who the feck follows that?I get that the season was rubbish, I dont think we can actually single out any player though.
1 bad season means we should forget what he done previously?
The hate was there even in his best period, its weird because he's one of our best players if not the very best.....there are tonnes of players I'll get rid of before Bruno, any manager with brains know this.
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100% Unless someone offered stupid money with guarantee of it being reinvested in to the team then Bruno wouldn't be going anywhere for me.
No, not for me. New season, new manager, fresh start.
I only said he’s weird. Wasn’t really a criticism. Lots of footballers are different. Cantona being a prime example. It’s usually beneficial to be fair.
As for performances I just tend to go game to game and give an opinion on how he performs. You can look back to games where Bruno played well and you will see I will have given praise. You might have to go back a while is the major problem. He seemed to perform badly week in week out last season and largely from January the season before last too. There’s many posts from then with posters saying how tired he was etc so it wasn’t just a few of us that noticed he wasn’t playing well.
That’s a long time to play largely poorly week in week out and in my opinion last season he actually cost us in most of the big moments of the season also.
I know many are enamoured with his first six months at the club which were brilliant largely but that, for me is a long time ago. There’s a huge gap between his performances for the last 18 months and him single handedly winning us the treble. HUGE.
And the rest... Don't know where you're from but getting called a CNUT would definitely be seen as a insult. As for the rest fair enough, just when it comes to Bruno you're name tends to pop up a lot more than the rest.
I have no clue how anyone that understands football the slightest bit can't see how good Bruno is or would "rejoice" at his leaving. I think it's similar to the Herrera situation where it was clear that he was by far our best midfielder and yet there were people ecstatic he was going.
I watched it and I don't think he's joking, I think that's genuine frustration at people fecking around and acting like they've 'made it' just because they play for United. Nothing wrong with setting the tone before people think they can fill the boots left by Pogba and Lingard.
Oddly enough, I suspect a few top teams/coaches would not agree with you. Basically, any Cruyff descendants. Whether or not you rate him or not, I can certainly see how some may not rate him as you do. There are a lot of things he isn’t particularly good at that are not irrelevant things on a football pitch. There are things that he is also particularly good at that coaches with a certain philosophy would absolutely adore. Ole being one of them who had, in his words, ‘no interest in that tippy tappy nonsense’. But Pep does. And Potter does. I would say that they understand football and probably, secretly, don’t agree with how good Bruno is.
The first few pages of this thread are a really interesting read.
He probably also saw the Pogmentary
Isnt this exactly what redcafe have been asking for? players to knuckle down and take it seriously? stop acting like ballers?
Yet the moment 1 of our players says it here's uproar
I bet if that was Pogba he was shouting at he'd be a hero.
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